Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr

Re: # 165

okay you win. But what kind of prophet would address and involve the mothers of his opponents in such a compromising language.

[...UAE has two sikh temples, which means it is not a government policy to restrict number of temples. Even the presence of one hindu temple proves the point...]

it only proves that ONE temple is ALLOWED. and two gurudwaras are ALLOWED (for whatever reasons). The policy is to restrict the number of temples to one.

[...a minor faction doesn`t...]

and all the policies of Iran and Egypt are directed to THAT minor faction? including the destruction of the tomb of Quddus and the house of Baha`u`llah?

Urstruly (#163):

The problem is your filthy mind. Read on to see how …

1. According to Dictionary.com … a web-site you recommended … the first meaning of trollop is “A woman regarded as slovenly or untidy”. Since this did not fit your purpose, you have now moved on to another web-site (Encarta)…

2. From Encarta, note the second meaning you listed … which makes reference to a woman’s appearance and her habits … without mentioning her sexual behavior or if she is a prostitute. So why do you insist that it can only mean a “prostitute”??

3. Furthermore, as I explained, the Arabic authority, Taj-ul-Urs, explains the Arabic idiom as … “people without guidance”. So what’s your problem now?

What is this fetish with being labeled as one of “children of prostitutes”? As you try to dig up filth ... you are only sinking lower.

Re: # 162 Concernd

UAE has two sikh temples, which means it is not a government policy to restrict number of temples. Even the presence of one hindu temple proves the point.

As far as the issue of bihaiis is concerned, they have two factions. One completely dissociates themselves from Islam and a minor faction doesn`t. The issue of proselytization among Muslim subjects is throny and creats problems.

Re: # 161

I beg to differ. It is not the matter of synonimity but that of implication. For example the Urdu phrase `Gandi aurat` has two implication - literally it may mean an untidy woman but in actuality it is meant to describe a women of loose character - in urdu lexicon the implied meaning is taken as the actual meaning of the phrase and not the literal ones.

So if you say this to third person that ``meri maaN aik gandi aurat hay``, he will hold his breath and wait for the explanation as to what did you actually mean by that. But the phrase ``PhohaR aurat`` has only one meaning and there is no implication, although it also means an untidy woman.

Here is what MSN Encarta Dictionary has to say about the Word ``Trollop``. See that in all its implications it is a derogatory word:


trol·lop [ trólləp ] (plural trol·lops)


noun

1. an offensive term that deliberately insults a woman who is a prostitute or who is reputed to be sexually promiscuous ( dated insult )


2. an offensive term that deliberately insults a girl or woman regarded as slovenly or as having untidy habits ( insult )



trol·lop·yadj

urstruly,

[...This is the reason Hindus are not allowed to establish a temple in KSA, whereas they have temples in all all surrounding Arab and Muslim countries, where they worship freely...]

just consider UAE which is likely to have a good number of hindus, ALLOWS one temple (i guess in dubai). there is not a single hindu temple anywhere else in the country. not quite the rosy picture you portray...

[...just like Bihai`is who do not call themselves Muslims now and we care less what their beliefs are...]

do you mean baha`is? who is `we`? consider iran (shiite) and eqypt (sunni) -

1. In Iran, where The Baha`i Faith originated during the 1840s, the Government considers Baha`is to be apostates despite the fact that Baha`is do not consider themselves to be Muslims.

In February authorities initiated the destruction of the tomb of Quddus, a Baha`i holy site. Local Baha`is attempted to prevent the destruction through legal channels, but the tomb was destroyed in the interim. The Baha`is were not allowed permission to enter the site and retrieve the remains of this revered Baha`i figure. On June 27, the house of the father of the faith`s founder, Mirza Buzarg-e-Nuri, was destroyed without notice. The house was confiscated before by the Government and was of great religious significance because the founder of the Baha`i faith, Baha`u`llah, had lived there...

since 1979 more than 200 Baha`is have been killed, 15 have disappeared and are presumed dead, and more than 10,000 Baha`is have been dismissed from government and university jobs. The Government continued to imprison and detain Baha`is based on their religious beliefs.

2. In Egypt, Law 263 of 1960, which is still in force, bans Baha`i institutions and community activities. The Government confiscated all Baha`i community properties, including Baha`i centers, libraries, and cemeteries. The problems of Baha`is, who number fewer than 2,000 persons in the country, have been compounded since the Ministry of Interior began to upgrade its automation of civil records, including national identity cards. The Government`s new software requires all citizens to be categorized as Muslims, Christians, or Jews. Baha`is and other religious groups who do not fit into any of these categories have been compelled either to misrepresent themselves as members of one of these three religions or to go without valid identity documents, passports, birth and death certificates, and marriage licenses. Most Baha`is have chosen the latter course.

Urstruly (#159):

Synonym is not the same as identical. You`ve failed to make your point ...

Bottom line: You`re mixing up ``an unitdy woman`` with ``a prostitute`` since it suits your purpose.

So let me ask: if a woman you know ... say your mother/sister/wife/colleague etc. ... looks untidy … would you call her a prostitute? Think carefully and respond ... if you have any dignity left ...

Re: # 158 Time is ripe, sir! I hope I did not offend by intruding in an `internal discussion`. Thanks for responding.

Re: # 158 I think people of Dictionary.com will be totally unmoved despite your moaning and groaning.
The implication in the paranthesis is theirs not mine:

Trollop = `` a dirty untidy woman [syn: slut, slovenly woman, trollop]

Urstruly (#156),

Use your tiny brain. Why do you insist on mixing up “an untidy woman” with a “prostitute”? If a woman looks untidy, would you call her a prostitute?? Dude … wake up … !!

You are trying very hard to be labeled as one of “children of prostitutes”. Why this fetish??

Is this what you call ``doing your homework``? You are not only a liar ... but also an idiot. You provided me with resources to easily show your errors ...!!!

So ... is an untidy woman the same as a prostitute? Were there ever days when your mother looked untidy?????????? This is a loaded question ... you stupid moron .... think before responding ....

What about ``last prophet and last mosque`` hadith? Either fess up ... or shut up. I can see your fetish with “children of prostitutes” … but must you continue to make an ass of yourself in public …??


southasian (#157):

Good point about “Thou shalt no blow up yourself” … !!!

Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) indicate that the prophet who will appear among Muslims will reform the twisted jihad ideology of the latter days.

God knows, if ever, this is the time for Issa-ibne-Marriam. But in light of Naqsh`s view ... it seems Issa is now playing hard to get ...

A small point for you learned gentlemen. From a bit of surfing Islam related websites and your discussions I gather that the Prophet was a wise man. When asked by people if he could perform miracles, he is supposed to have said that he was a ordinary human being chosen by Allah to convey his message only (so do not expect miracles).


My little point is that only Allah could have decided whether Mohammed would be the last prophet or somebody else. While the prophet is no more with us, now only Allah can decide the issue. If Allah wants to give a little bit more of message, he would need more Prophets since He is not in the habit of doing his own job himself. A relevant message could be something like ``Thou shalt not blow up yourself!`` and so on.

I know expecting a response from you learned guys is a bit too much of a longing considering that you are more interested in meanings of words like Baghiya.

No offences meant.

Re: # 155

You can use English to Arabic feature of dictionary and type ``Trollop`` to get the Arabic equivalent.

And I did not skip any meaning of Trollop. Look at my post below, the word Trollop has listed two meanings which I listed both. The paranthesis with the second meaning `` a dirty untidy woman [syn: slut, slovenly woman, trollop] `` explains in what sense the phrase ``dirty woman`` is being used. You cannot defend the indefensible ok.


As far as the hadith with `last mosque` is concerned I have only one comment ``yaar tumm nay zaroor jootay khaanay haiN aaj`` I have never seen a masochist to this extreme.

Urstruly (#153):

You are quick to comment when you think you have a point … but become evasive when cornered. There are a couple of issues with your post …

1. I could not get to work the Arabic part of almibsar.com web-site.

2. However, I took your word for “baghi = trollop” … and looked up “dictionary.com” as you suggested.

The first meaning listed is an untidy woman. The second meaning listed is a prostitute.

Why would you skip over “an untidy woman” … and go to “prostitute”???

3. Arabic authority … Taj-ul-Urs … explains the proverb “zuriyatul-baghayya” (children of bahgi) as “people without guidance”.

So the question goes back to you … why do you continue to insist to be labeled “children of prostitutes”? Are we supposed to know something about you?? This is not the place … you know …

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Now … lets see if you really do your homework, as you boastfully claimed.

Go back to the hadith … you yourself quoted …. “I am the last prophet and this mosque of mine is the last mosque”. What does “last” mean here?

This is one discussion you want to avoid at all costs …

No clue whatsover!

Re: # 147 SATTAR

Nobody calls me a liar. By now you must know that I always do my homework.

So you say that correct translation of Arabic word ``Baghiya``, which Mirza Sahib used to describe his opponent Muslim Ulema, cannot be translated as ``KanjriyoN ke bachchay (children of whores)` but I think Arabs do not agree with you. Check this Arabic-English on line dictionary

http://www.almisbar.com/dict_page.html

The Arabic word ``Baghiya`` literally translates into the English word Trollop

Check any English Dictionary for the meaning of word ``trollop`` and you will see that Ulemma have translated the epithet correctly, for example, Dictionary.com translates it as:

Trollop = ``slattern`` n.

1: a prostitute who attracts customers by walking the streets [syn: streetwalker, street girl, hooker, hustler, floozy, floozie]
2: a dirty untidy woman [syn: slut, slovenly woman, trollop]

Hamidm: would you please shed some light here, since this is your area of expertise. And where is that grammarian temporal when you need him.

Sattar: I find it quite revealing now that where did you and hamidm got your potty mouths

Urstruly (#148):

Once again you are misrepresenting history of Islam … and hence drawing speculative, incorrect conclusions.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) broke idols in Kaba … since Kaba was originally made for worship of Allah Almighty alone, by His commandment. Prophet (pbuh) simply reclaimed in the name of Allah what was made by commandment of Allah.

Ahmadi-Muslims worship Allah Almighty … God of Quran. There is no reason why they should not be allowed to call their masjid a masjid.

Naqsh (#149, 151):

You continue to show the class of people you belong to.

Issa (pbuh) passed way just like Muhammad (pbuh) passed away. None of them is coming back. Get over it …