Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr

Well, this bizarre man got domiciled in India and he`s one of us now.May he continue to rest in peace.Is that a photo of his resting place?.I will visit next time i travel to Delhi.The Jama Masjid area has some of the best mughlai food restaurants and eating places in the subcontinent.When i get tired or work, family, watching porn, chat and other deviations i travel, sometimes physically, sometimes through this medium.I offer you glimpses of India.......

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temporal … you raised a telling point about Iqbal’s views on revelation ...

From what I know, Iqbal did accept that a person may reach prophethood … but only at a personal level, that is, without the mission of reformation of others. It is not surprising that he accepted continuation of revelation … even if only at a personal level.

Try explaining this to Urstruly ... who seems to have slammed shut this door for good. But then again, who is Iqbal but a crazy poet, who was declared a kaffir by ullema for writing ``shikwah`` ... go figure ...

Every abdul, tauheed, naqshbandi, urstruly has a different take on this issue … as he goes on, with supreme confidence, to declare those in disagreement as non-Muslims. That’s part of ummah`s travesty ... all are too busy passing fatwas of kuffr against everyone else. Naked fakirs at times make more sense than these goons … which explains why ullema are all too anxious to do them in … at times in a king’s court … (some parallels alluded to are intentional, I admit … ).

… but the stories of dead men talking is a whole another issue ...

naqshbandi...

the fact that he recited it fully after his execution is a charismatic miracle which proves he was a true muslim.
... scientifically dead men do not talk...any proof to the contrary would be welcome.

ishq e majaazi is often a bridge towards ishq i haqiqi

....majazi and haqiqi is nothing but poetic nonsense...and that too with the same sex...la hawla wala

like Zuleykha saw God manifested in Yusuf alayhisalam

...zulekha saws God in Yusuf?? if this aint shirk, don`t know what is... refer surah 12 verses 23 to 29 and you will see your fatal error in above statement.

Re: # 46

What has science got to do with it?! Science`s limit is the physical world and that`s it; as a former scientist i can say that with some personal authority. With science you cannot prove that God exists or that angels or jinn exist or that dead men can be raised again; yet the Qur`an tells us all these things happened and exist and are real! Belief means to believe in Allah`s Word and His Habib`s even *if* it goes against our daily experiences. After all that is what a miracle is by definition. (Then again kafirs like the Qadianis limit Allah to only what other kafir scientists deem possible or impossible!)

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Urstruly: sadly you have misunderstood what bida`h means. NOT every new thing in the religion is a bad bida`h. The traditional Sunni ulama have divided bida`h into different categories: haram, makruh, mandub, wajib. For example, having the Qur`an in book form with the `irab is a bida` as it was not existant in this form in the time of Our Beloved Habib sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam yet it is now considered necessary [wajib] to enable people =even Arabs=to read the Qur`an correctly. Similarly many things existed in the time of the Prophet and the Sahaba but which didn`t have the names which we have given them e.g. fiqh, usul al fiqh, bayan, mantaq, etc. all these islamic ulum weren`t known then. Will you get rid of them all?!

Similarly some Sahaba experienced spiritual states which correspond to the names given by Sufis afterwards. A prominent example is Hazrat Owais Qarni, a Tabi`, who pulled out his teeth one by one when he heard that one of the Prophet`s blessed teeth had been martyred in Uhud. What is such an act except extreme love, annihilation in the Prophet?! Majzub! The Prophet also explicitly mentioned people who would have torn clothes and be covered in dust and the wordly people would despise them but they would be the Saints of Allah....

Re: # 50 Naqshbandi

You write``Urstruly: sadly you have misunderstood what bida`h means. NOT every new thing in the religion is a bad bida`h. The traditional Sunni ulama have divided bida`h into different categories: haram, makruh, mandub, wajib. ``

Reply:

I accept and subscribe to these categories or classification of innovations. For example, Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself encouraged innovation in the matter of fiqah and jurisprudence using ijtehad. But what I wrote was that ``innovation in the matters of faith is haram and forbidden. For eaxmple, an overwhelming number of people in subcontinent have started believing that Quwwali is a form of worship or getting intoxicated with hemp or even liquor to get into the condition of ``jazb`` is ok, since it brings you `closer to God`. Or they ``believe`` that dead pirs and saints have powers to give them what is only attributed to Allah Himself. This is shirk. Lets not forget that Islam came to finish Iconolatery in all shapes and forms whether it is in the form of worshiping dead or alive pirs, or their tombs, or by whirling like midless zombies or any other form of ``worship`` that Holy Prophet (pbuh) has not practiced himself. Why can`t we keep our religion simple and straightforward as it was given to us - why do we have to innovate to make it complicated.

t … I guess I have become way too predictable …

Urstruly (#41), not correct!

“Core Islamic belief” that chain of revelation has ended is baseless and incorrect. In the very beginning of chapter 2 (Surah-e-Baqraa), Quran makes it clear that revelation for believers is to continue. Do read the first few verses and feel free to inquire as needed. I’d be happy to oblige.

And your reference to end of revelation as “simplification of relationship between man and God” … suggests that this relationship is so very cumbersome, that the only way to handle it for God is to end it. Sorry, I am not buying it.

Furthermore, Quran tells us that Allah sends revelation to even a honey bee (in Surah-e-Nahl). One wonders, that if a tiny insect is worthy of divine revelation, why not man - the highest form of God’s creation???

Philosophically you are not making any sense. Although, you do have a point that Naqshbandi is viewing the naked fakir with lenses of blind, questionable faith. Not that I have any particular problem with it … however, it does highlight some inconsistencies in his views, which he remains blind to, while adopting somewhat of a disturbing attitude towards those who view things differently.

And after all is said and done, consistency and sincerity is one’s reasoning are virtues worth striving for. If one loses this, how can he tell God from Satan???

Urstruly 42:

I was too busy to interact at the appropriate boards... since Anglo-American terrorists and others disgust me equally.

this is why your sudden emergence and vehemence surprised me!

#41 is a good post except this:This issue is core to the Islamic belief system of which the integral part is the belief that the chain of ``revelations`` has ended with the Holy Prophet (pbuh), so after him if any `holy man` claims to have a direct contact with God is a either a charlatan or have some sort of mental disorder.

you must be aware of sir iqbal`s reply to his mentor and teacher nicholson to the query re: revelations?

rgds

t

ps: have a hunch very shortly sattar2 would come here and educate you on the different modes God employs in communicating with us temporals, mortals, poets and prophets

Re: # 43 t

The word of prophet (pbuh) has precedence over the word of any sir, iqbal, or mirza; I don`t care what one says in this regard; as long as it is contradictory to Qura`nic verses on this issue and 450+ ahadiths, that explain the issue of the finalty of revelations in every which way possible, it is meaningless.

temporal

I was too busy to interact at the appropriate boards. Probably I am too bored now, since Anglo-American terrorists and others disgust me equally.

Urstruly: just as in the case of al Hallaj Hazrat Sarmad was indeed shaheed; shahadat is for all those who die in the path of Allah and not just restricted to the physical jihad. Indeed, the ulama have detailed those who can be martyrs and one of these categories is all those Muslims who die from heartache, due to love, as long as their love is pure and not tainted by sin (i.e. zina)--i.e. those who die pining for their beloved can also be shaheed; what then of those whose Beloved is Allah Himself!

And the greater jihad [jihad al akbar] is the struggle against one`s nafs (ego) as the Beloved Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam has said...

Re: # 40
Naqshbandi

It is fair to admit that in midievil times people had tendency to attribute Autistic, Schizophrenics, Obssessive Compulsives, and people with various forms of Dissosiative Disorders the status of ``men of God``, but in subcontinent this practice is rampant even today.I don`t think that in the past it was a bad idea, since it helped those people save themselves from abuse in general. But now the scientific knowledge has brought our understanding to this level that we can understand the working of human mind a bit better.

This issue is core to the Islamic belief system of which the integral part is the belief that the chain of ``revelations`` has ended with the Holy Prophet (pbuh), so after him if any `holy man` claims to have a direct contact with God is a either a charlatan or have some sort of mental disorder. What could be more injustice to God and his Prophet if we attibute these characteristics to such men. Islam came to end these superstitions, simplified the relation between God and man and between man and man. Who are we to attribute someone as man of God? Does God tell usto do so? Did Prophet tell us to do so? If not then who are we to decide that. I consider ``majzoobiat`` as a form of Dissociative Disorder. If ``majzoob` are men of God then should Qura`n or Hadith tell us so. Innovations in the matter of faith are haram and forbidden - Allah has perfected and completed this faith for us;; who are we to say that it ain`t so.

I would appreciate it if all those who had any serious questions about the contents of the article could address them to me rather than just making comments about islam and sufism and pakistan which, based on the responses to date, seem mostly un-related to the article itself.

Hazrat Sarmad was a majzub--a technical term in sufism for those who are so intoxicated with the love of God that they appear to be mad...

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Right, any questions?
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Thanks Manto, you are right but these majzub are unique individuals and not models of imitation for the common Muslim; the sober sufis are the ones who should be imitated. The majzub are to be admired...:-)

Sarmad main ho chukka hoon sar khud main daiy chukka hoon
Sir khud sey khud main paaya .............................................

Wow, if the baba ji were alive on this day, I bet hollywood would have employed him...a true stuntsman that he were!
These self-proclaimed, rather ignorant-illeterate-desciples`-procalimed sufi-saints are as much responsible in portraying a warped and distorted version of Islam as those suicide-bombers. As someone rightly pointed out, they neither follow shareeat nor tareeqat, mere stuntsmanship, and are acclaimed to be saints and Muslims, damn it!

Here’s a little poem in honor of the Hazrat Sahib

Hazrat Sahib was a Pagal-Boodhoo
and a Gandoo
And all he wanted to do
Was do the do with the little hindoo

Now Emperor Aurangzeb was a Pious One
Only King who wiped his own butt after he did his doodoo
He saw thru the farce and said- Do
Away this Gandoo’s head and make him a DODO

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Al-Bundy!.I hereby appoint you poet-laureate of this here site.Such meaning, depth, grammar and erudition.WHy??.You should have posted it on the poem page, er, whatchamacallit??, and have literary aspirants analyze, critique and conjugate it no end, as they are wont to do on some other jibberish they call poems.