Asif Naqshbandi July 13, 2005
#31 Posted by cayenne on July 14, 2005 2:36:17 am
I`m having a RiOt on this here site as usual.Paks are crazy folks, what makes it all the more fascinating to me is their stubbiorn refusal to accept this side of their nature!!.The more `white` they try to pretend, one more, nay four more suicide bombers do them in , in one fell swoop.Hilarious!!.Why, this naked sufi??.All paks fascinate me no end!!.
I offer you the `soul` of india.......
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=225105
I offer you the `soul` of india.......
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=225105
#35 Posted by shobig_sifar on July 14, 2005 6:20:46 am
Re: # 31 [All Pakis fascinate me no end]
So will Pakistan, welcome to the land of fascinations! ;)
So will Pakistan, welcome to the land of fascinations! ;)
#44 Posted by cayenne on July 14, 2005 11:00:21 am
Re: # 35
I would like to visit.We have our share of the bizarre.The difference being, we bare it all.Our bizarre coexists with the prim, the proper and the accountant.In Pak i see a desperate attempt to be proper, but a secret desire to be bizarre!!.
I would like to visit.We have our share of the bizarre.The difference being, we bare it all.Our bizarre coexists with the prim, the proper and the accountant.In Pak i see a desperate attempt to be proper, but a secret desire to be bizarre!!.
#28 Posted by MantoLives on July 14, 2005 2:07:30 am
Beautiful, rich, traditional and the true heritage of Pakistan.... a welcome relief from the Deobandi/wahabi straitjacket which has been imposed on South Asian Islam by Darul-uloom Deoband in India...
#29 Posted by cayenne on July 14, 2005 2:18:27 am
Re: # 28
mantolives......you are an evil genius!!.And, methinks you just LOVE india and indians a tad too much!!.I don`t blame you!!.
mantolives......you are an evil genius!!.And, methinks you just LOVE india and indians a tad too much!!.I don`t blame you!!.
#30 Posted by MantoLives on July 14, 2005 2:32:38 am
Re: # 29
Dear Cayenne
I`ll let you think why I might make a clear distinction between Deobandis from the heartland of India and Sufis/Barelvis the local pirs of Pakistan...
I have a feeling Naqshbandi knows it well...
Dear Cayenne
I`ll let you think why I might make a clear distinction between Deobandis from the heartland of India and Sufis/Barelvis the local pirs of Pakistan...
I have a feeling Naqshbandi knows it well...
#27 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on July 14, 2005 1:47:24 am
Asif
Thanks. There was a time when I thought that `Saudi` Islam was simple. Just say the `Farz` and get over it. Or the Landi Kotal Pathans concept of a clear demarcation between Smuggling & Prayers.
And I thought that the Pirs & Fakirs are an anamoly and they expoit the innocent believers.
But no more - after the close encounters with Wahabism, Deoband or the Taliban.
Now it seems that the only saviours of Islam can be the Sufis & the Fakeers.
nhk
Thanks. There was a time when I thought that `Saudi` Islam was simple. Just say the `Farz` and get over it. Or the Landi Kotal Pathans concept of a clear demarcation between Smuggling & Prayers.
And I thought that the Pirs & Fakirs are an anamoly and they expoit the innocent believers.
But no more - after the close encounters with Wahabism, Deoband or the Taliban.
Now it seems that the only saviours of Islam can be the Sufis & the Fakeers.
nhk
#26 Posted by cayenne on July 14, 2005 1:01:23 am
****PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT****
Latest on the `war on terror`.The british PM says `extremists will be deported`.What if they`re born in britain but of pak descent ?.If i were pak, and in the UK, i would start packing.Every pak can be deemed to be a terrorist.We indians can offer to help you out by buying your properties at 50 pence on the pound.Better than nothing!!!.I try.
Latest on the `war on terror`.The british PM says `extremists will be deported`.What if they`re born in britain but of pak descent ?.If i were pak, and in the UK, i would start packing.Every pak can be deemed to be a terrorist.We indians can offer to help you out by buying your properties at 50 pence on the pound.Better than nothing!!!.I try.
#25 Posted by hindvi on July 14, 2005 12:47:30 am
A fascinating story, i had heard of Sarmad, but it was in derisory comments, its good to know more
#24 Posted by rozaiba on July 13, 2005 11:28:18 pm
This was an enjoyable read. I`ve always wanted to know more about Hazrat Sarmad.
Urstruly`s comments were also hilarious :D
Urstruly`s comments were also hilarious :D
#23 Posted by cipram on July 13, 2005 10:24:26 pm
# 9 Urstruly,
I fully agree with you.
we are fighting with Jahad stigma and Asif has started new theory of Huzrat being naked.
I fully agree with you.
we are fighting with Jahad stigma and Asif has started new theory of Huzrat being naked.
#22 Posted by BeeJay on July 13, 2005 9:39:45 pm
Naqshbandi Sahib,
This article appears to be clearly a labor of love, and accordingly, it is inappropriate for it to be evaluated like a regular biographical piece. Therefore, I’ll just put my notes down. (Many remarks in jest, of course!)
Notes:
[He had great command over the Persian language and also knew Arabic. Professionally, he was a trader.]
I hope it’s the last time anybody here makes fun of anyone using the term “baniya”. (I did say I HOPE!!!)
[When he got to Thatta, he fell in love with a Hindu boy. He was so lost in love that he forgot his own self but became completely oblivious to his trade too!]
Of course, to give him his due benefit of doubt, there is always the possibility that he merely got the tools of the trade confused. We janitors are well aware that in order to do the job right, the number one rule is you must have your tools correctly selected and appropriately sized.
#1 by temporal
[Karachi at one point boasted of best indian boy-brothels...]
Tempo bhai, a strict technicality, but Karachi IS in Pakistan, and should be referred to as such. And, like I once told another interactor – KEEP it!
#4 by temporal
[patna-- way way east:)]
Also, if you don’t mind, kindly leave Patna OUT of it! Thank You, Sir!
#9 by Urstruly
[And what the hell does it mean to fall in ``ardent love`` with a boy.]
The question DID cross my mind, too!
#12 by Urstruly
[…in Pakistan, Citibank appoints Prime Ministers…]
Now, if only they could appoint the generals and mullahs, all problems will get solved (unity of command, and all that).
#17 by sattar2
[…. I’ve had quite a few gays friends ….. including those who “sat on the fence” …… making their girl friends miserable all along …]
This statement appears “pregnant with possibilities”.
This article appears to be clearly a labor of love, and accordingly, it is inappropriate for it to be evaluated like a regular biographical piece. Therefore, I’ll just put my notes down. (Many remarks in jest, of course!)
Notes:
[He had great command over the Persian language and also knew Arabic. Professionally, he was a trader.]
I hope it’s the last time anybody here makes fun of anyone using the term “baniya”. (I did say I HOPE!!!)
[When he got to Thatta, he fell in love with a Hindu boy. He was so lost in love that he forgot his own self but became completely oblivious to his trade too!]
Of course, to give him his due benefit of doubt, there is always the possibility that he merely got the tools of the trade confused. We janitors are well aware that in order to do the job right, the number one rule is you must have your tools correctly selected and appropriately sized.
#1 by temporal
[Karachi at one point boasted of best indian boy-brothels...]
Tempo bhai, a strict technicality, but Karachi IS in Pakistan, and should be referred to as such. And, like I once told another interactor – KEEP it!
#4 by temporal
[patna-- way way east:)]
Also, if you don’t mind, kindly leave Patna OUT of it! Thank You, Sir!
#9 by Urstruly
[And what the hell does it mean to fall in ``ardent love`` with a boy.]
The question DID cross my mind, too!
#12 by Urstruly
[…in Pakistan, Citibank appoints Prime Ministers…]
Now, if only they could appoint the generals and mullahs, all problems will get solved (unity of command, and all that).
#17 by sattar2
[…. I’ve had quite a few gays friends ….. including those who “sat on the fence” …… making their girl friends miserable all along …]
This statement appears “pregnant with possibilities”.
#21 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on July 13, 2005 9:36:21 pm
``There is no god``...may he died as an athiest...
There used to be a baba in murree who also remained naked sunk in ice for years. And was a famous for people to visit and the lucky person would be the one who is hit badly by him..It is said that Ayub Khan was blessed by him as he remained in the Aastan with his family for four days all just sitting on charpoi waiting dad to be hit. And atlast he was given news of power very awfully.
There used to be a baba in murree who also remained naked sunk in ice for years. And was a famous for people to visit and the lucky person would be the one who is hit badly by him..It is said that Ayub Khan was blessed by him as he remained in the Aastan with his family for four days all just sitting on charpoi waiting dad to be hit. And atlast he was given news of power very awfully.
#39 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 14, 2005 8:23:03 am
Re: # 21
Nadia, if you read the article again you will see that Hazrat Sarmad explains why he only recited the first part of the kalimah only; the fact that he recited it fully after his execution is a charismatic miracle which proves he was a true muslim.
****
ishq e majaazi is often a bridge towards ishq i haqiqi; like Zuleykha saw God manifested in Yusuf alayhisalam and Qays saw Him in Layla and so on....The one who is fana fillah is so lost in love that he or she sees Allah everywhere. This is wahdat al wajood...
the love is not homosexual (astaghfirullah) as ppl understand it today; it is Platonic and the Ideal
Nadia, if you read the article again you will see that Hazrat Sarmad explains why he only recited the first part of the kalimah only; the fact that he recited it fully after his execution is a charismatic miracle which proves he was a true muslim.
****
ishq e majaazi is often a bridge towards ishq i haqiqi; like Zuleykha saw God manifested in Yusuf alayhisalam and Qays saw Him in Layla and so on....The one who is fana fillah is so lost in love that he or she sees Allah everywhere. This is wahdat al wajood...
the love is not homosexual (astaghfirullah) as ppl understand it today; it is Platonic and the Ideal
#20 Posted by KaalChakra on July 13, 2005 3:29:35 pm
re: satyamvada # 13
It`s useless to even ask such questions. Sufism is supposed to be islam and you will get an Islamic answer, not a philosophical one.
This article did help me understand one of the methods Sufis used to learn their Hinduism :)
It`s useless to even ask such questions. Sufism is supposed to be islam and you will get an Islamic answer, not a philosophical one.
This article did help me understand one of the methods Sufis used to learn their Hinduism :)
#34 Posted by shobig_sifar on July 14, 2005 6:18:17 am
Re: # 20 [Sufism is supposed to be islam]
Could you please elaborate on this a bit? Where did you get this notion from?
regards
Could you please elaborate on this a bit? Where did you get this notion from?
regards
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