Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr

Urstruly (#159):

Synonym is not the same as identical. You`ve failed to make your point ...

Bottom line: You`re mixing up ``an unitdy woman`` with ``a prostitute`` since it suits your purpose.

So let me ask: if a woman you know ... say your mother/sister/wife/colleague etc. ... looks untidy … would you call her a prostitute? Think carefully and respond ... if you have any dignity left ...

urstruly,

[...This is the reason Hindus are not allowed to establish a temple in KSA, whereas they have temples in all all surrounding Arab and Muslim countries, where they worship freely...]

just consider UAE which is likely to have a good number of hindus, ALLOWS one temple (i guess in dubai). there is not a single hindu temple anywhere else in the country. not quite the rosy picture you portray...

[...just like Bihai`is who do not call themselves Muslims now and we care less what their beliefs are...]

do you mean baha`is? who is `we`? consider iran (shiite) and eqypt (sunni) -

1. In Iran, where The Baha`i Faith originated during the 1840s, the Government considers Baha`is to be apostates despite the fact that Baha`is do not consider themselves to be Muslims.

In February authorities initiated the destruction of the tomb of Quddus, a Baha`i holy site. Local Baha`is attempted to prevent the destruction through legal channels, but the tomb was destroyed in the interim. The Baha`is were not allowed permission to enter the site and retrieve the remains of this revered Baha`i figure. On June 27, the house of the father of the faith`s founder, Mirza Buzarg-e-Nuri, was destroyed without notice. The house was confiscated before by the Government and was of great religious significance because the founder of the Baha`i faith, Baha`u`llah, had lived there...

since 1979 more than 200 Baha`is have been killed, 15 have disappeared and are presumed dead, and more than 10,000 Baha`is have been dismissed from government and university jobs. The Government continued to imprison and detain Baha`is based on their religious beliefs.

2. In Egypt, Law 263 of 1960, which is still in force, bans Baha`i institutions and community activities. The Government confiscated all Baha`i community properties, including Baha`i centers, libraries, and cemeteries. The problems of Baha`is, who number fewer than 2,000 persons in the country, have been compounded since the Ministry of Interior began to upgrade its automation of civil records, including national identity cards. The Government`s new software requires all citizens to be categorized as Muslims, Christians, or Jews. Baha`is and other religious groups who do not fit into any of these categories have been compelled either to misrepresent themselves as members of one of these three religions or to go without valid identity documents, passports, birth and death certificates, and marriage licenses. Most Baha`is have chosen the latter course.

Re: # 161

I beg to differ. It is not the matter of synonimity but that of implication. For example the Urdu phrase `Gandi aurat` has two implication - literally it may mean an untidy woman but in actuality it is meant to describe a women of loose character - in urdu lexicon the implied meaning is taken as the actual meaning of the phrase and not the literal ones.

So if you say this to third person that ``meri maaN aik gandi aurat hay``, he will hold his breath and wait for the explanation as to what did you actually mean by that. But the phrase ``PhohaR aurat`` has only one meaning and there is no implication, although it also means an untidy woman.

Here is what MSN Encarta Dictionary has to say about the Word ``Trollop``. See that in all its implications it is a derogatory word:


trol·lop [ trólləp ] (plural trol·lops)


noun

1. an offensive term that deliberately insults a woman who is a prostitute or who is reputed to be sexually promiscuous ( dated insult )


2. an offensive term that deliberately insults a girl or woman regarded as slovenly or as having untidy habits ( insult )



trol·lop·yadj

Re: # 162 Concernd

UAE has two sikh temples, which means it is not a government policy to restrict number of temples. Even the presence of one hindu temple proves the point.

As far as the issue of bihaiis is concerned, they have two factions. One completely dissociates themselves from Islam and a minor faction doesn`t. The issue of proselytization among Muslim subjects is throny and creats problems.

Urstruly (#163):

The problem is your filthy mind. Read on to see how …

1. According to Dictionary.com … a web-site you recommended … the first meaning of trollop is “A woman regarded as slovenly or untidy”. Since this did not fit your purpose, you have now moved on to another web-site (Encarta)…

2. From Encarta, note the second meaning you listed … which makes reference to a woman’s appearance and her habits … without mentioning her sexual behavior or if she is a prostitute. So why do you insist that it can only mean a “prostitute”??

3. Furthermore, as I explained, the Arabic authority, Taj-ul-Urs, explains the Arabic idiom as … “people without guidance”. So what’s your problem now?

What is this fetish with being labeled as one of “children of prostitutes”? As you try to dig up filth ... you are only sinking lower.

[...UAE has two sikh temples, which means it is not a government policy to restrict number of temples. Even the presence of one hindu temple proves the point...]

it only proves that ONE temple is ALLOWED. and two gurudwaras are ALLOWED (for whatever reasons). The policy is to restrict the number of temples to one.

[...a minor faction doesn`t...]

and all the policies of Iran and Egypt are directed to THAT minor faction? including the destruction of the tomb of Quddus and the house of Baha`u`llah?

Re: # 165

okay you win. But what kind of prophet would address and involve the mothers of his opponents in such a compromising language.

Re: # 166 you make a compelling case. I think sikhs are favored because of their beards

#168:

how about the bahais? why are `we` demolishing their holy places of worships and tombs and houses if `we` couldn`t care less about their beliefs?

Re: # 169

I don`t know. We have to take each incidence on case by case basis. We should also look into Shia doctrine in this regard and the Islamic law that they have derived from it and imposed (if any). I`d appreciate some pointers in this direction.

#170,

huh? you were the one who claimed that `we` didn`t care about bahai`s beliefs...now you are talking about `shia doctrine` and pointers...is Egypt a shia country?

Urstruly (#168):

“okay you win …”

Huh … is this all I get???

You made “children of prostitutes” remark about Mirza Sahib. Then you denied making disparaging comments against Mirza Sahib. When taken to the task, you tried to prove the “children of prostitutes” allegation. Finally you realize you were on the wrong track all along.

… how about a f^cking apology??????

This is what Urstruly Wrote in # 146.

I think, seriously, that such kind of people need to be reformed. I am taking Urstruly as a patient, very sick one, who need immediate psychiatrist help. For two reason,

1. Becuasue of their frivilous actions they have tried to distort the Good Name of Islam.
2. To introduce the world with the real Teachings of Quran, Which as Quran says in Sura-Bani-Israel, are like medicine for spiritual/moral needs of human kind. Now most of the Non-Muslims think, Muslims are like Urstruly; We need to show them no all of them are like him. Muslims never has a dry patch.

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Urstruly Wrote:

Yes there is a list of exclusions:

1. A non-Muslim is not allowed to proselytize Muslim subjects of state because the maximum punishment for apostasy is death according every school of jurist thought in Islam. So if a non-Muslim is allowed to proselytize Muslims, the law becomes contrdictory.

2. A non-Muslim is not allowed to practice his faith in a Muslim place of worship, i.e. Mosque

3. A non-Muslim is not allowed to practice his faith in the place of `Harm` ulness he is Christian or Jew. The place of Harm Shareef is an area of a radius of approx. 10 miles around the city of Mecca. During the time of Sultan Nuruddin Zangi (May Allah be pleased with him and grant him high place in heaven) the area of Harm Shareef was extended to include the 10 mile area around the of Mosque of the Prophet (pbuh) - Masjid-e- Nabwi in Medina as well. And in 1918 with Kingdom of Saudi Arabia became a nation state, this area was extended to the borders of the state.

Urstruly the points you enumerated for exclusion are filled with errors, Off course not supported by Quran. How can it be.

You have been labelled ``Evasive``, which I am finding to be true.

Now explain to us, by what manner this area was initially 10 mile, then extended by Noor-ud-din and then extended to entire SA. Was it,

1. King of SA was informed directly by God to expand it, if yes, was it wahee.
2. There was a serect communication left behind by Holy Prophet for King of SA
3. Anythins else that you can come up with?

sattar, don`t blame me: his own son described his last moments as i have already quoted earlier....

Naqshbandi (#175):

... you stupid f^ck ... I have asked you several times if you read the material yourself ... or if this is from a web-site?? What web-site is it ...if any ?

Urstruly looked into your claim ... and found it to be without merit.

Now get your head out of your ass ... and think straight ... you moron. I am asking very simple questions here ...