Asif Naqshbandi July 13, 2005
#81 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 16, 2005 4:55:11 am
in reply to sattar:
Bashir Ahmad, the son of Mirza Ghulam, wrote in his biography:
``My mother informed me that `the first attack of looseness of bowels upon the Promised Messiah occurred when he was at his dining room table. Later, I started pressing his legs and he lay in comfort and slept and soon I too slept. After a short while, he again felt the call of nature and he used the bathroom a couple of times without awakening me, After this he felt very weak; he shook me up and laid down on my bed. I recommenced pressing. In a few minutes he told me to go to bed but I refused and continued to press. Once again he had an urge and, being too weak to go to the lavatory, I made arrangement for him close to the bed. He sat down and relieved himself. Next, he laid himself back on my bed and I started pressing again. His weakness grew intense; he had another motion, accompanied this time by vomiting. This paralyzed him so much that when trying to lay back on the bed, he fell on his back and hit his head on the bed post. His condition alarmed me...`.``
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 1, P. 11-12; Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P.109)
Mirza Ghulam`s father in law, Mir Nasir Nawab, recorded in his autobiography:
``The night his holiness fell ill, I was sleeping in my room. When his illness grew severe, they woke me up. I went over to his holiness and found him in great pain. He addressed me saying: `I have been stricken with cholera.` After this, he did not utter a single intelligible and coherent word till he died on Monday, after ten O`clock in the morning.``
(Hayat-i-Nasir, P. 14)
Mirza Ghulam used to say that cholera or plague is the sign of Allah(SWT)`s wrath on mankind for their wrong doing! It is fitting that his last words were the admission that he had been stricken with the disease he was so fearful of. The witnesses present at his bed side recorded:
``Huzoor (Mirza Ghulam) could not talk two hours before death. Dr. Mirza Yaqoob Baig and Dr. Syed Mohammad Hussei Shah were the attending physicians. Huzoor asked for paper and wrote on it: `I have too much dryness. I can`t talk.` and some other words which could not be read.``
(Al-Fazl, Vol. 25, No. 274, November 24, 1937)
``As his condition became precarious, we stayed by him and continued treatment, but his pulse stopped by 10:15 A.M., on the 26th May, 1908 he breathed his last.``
(Al-Hakam, Mary 28, 1908)
We can not imagine what Mirza Ghulam might have felt when the hour of death approached and Allah(SWT) shut his mouth and tongue so that he could neither repent (proclaim Kalima) nor utter any more lies.
Bashir Ahmad, the son of Mirza Ghulam, wrote in his biography:
``My mother informed me that `the first attack of looseness of bowels upon the Promised Messiah occurred when he was at his dining room table. Later, I started pressing his legs and he lay in comfort and slept and soon I too slept. After a short while, he again felt the call of nature and he used the bathroom a couple of times without awakening me, After this he felt very weak; he shook me up and laid down on my bed. I recommenced pressing. In a few minutes he told me to go to bed but I refused and continued to press. Once again he had an urge and, being too weak to go to the lavatory, I made arrangement for him close to the bed. He sat down and relieved himself. Next, he laid himself back on my bed and I started pressing again. His weakness grew intense; he had another motion, accompanied this time by vomiting. This paralyzed him so much that when trying to lay back on the bed, he fell on his back and hit his head on the bed post. His condition alarmed me...`.``
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 1, P. 11-12; Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P.109)
Mirza Ghulam`s father in law, Mir Nasir Nawab, recorded in his autobiography:
``The night his holiness fell ill, I was sleeping in my room. When his illness grew severe, they woke me up. I went over to his holiness and found him in great pain. He addressed me saying: `I have been stricken with cholera.` After this, he did not utter a single intelligible and coherent word till he died on Monday, after ten O`clock in the morning.``
(Hayat-i-Nasir, P. 14)
Mirza Ghulam used to say that cholera or plague is the sign of Allah(SWT)`s wrath on mankind for their wrong doing! It is fitting that his last words were the admission that he had been stricken with the disease he was so fearful of. The witnesses present at his bed side recorded:
``Huzoor (Mirza Ghulam) could not talk two hours before death. Dr. Mirza Yaqoob Baig and Dr. Syed Mohammad Hussei Shah were the attending physicians. Huzoor asked for paper and wrote on it: `I have too much dryness. I can`t talk.` and some other words which could not be read.``
(Al-Fazl, Vol. 25, No. 274, November 24, 1937)
``As his condition became precarious, we stayed by him and continued treatment, but his pulse stopped by 10:15 A.M., on the 26th May, 1908 he breathed his last.``
(Al-Hakam, Mary 28, 1908)
We can not imagine what Mirza Ghulam might have felt when the hour of death approached and Allah(SWT) shut his mouth and tongue so that he could neither repent (proclaim Kalima) nor utter any more lies.
#82 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 16, 2005 5:23:01 am
Re: # 72
Please don`t mention the names of two of the greatest Saints of Islam, the stalwarts of Ahlus Sunnah w`al Jama`ah, with your qadiani tongue. They received ilhaam NOT wahy (radhi Allahu anhuma).
Please don`t mention the names of two of the greatest Saints of Islam, the stalwarts of Ahlus Sunnah w`al Jama`ah, with your qadiani tongue. They received ilhaam NOT wahy (radhi Allahu anhuma).
#83 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 16, 2005 5:25:52 am
Re: # 60
Sayyidina Isa alayhisalam did NOT die you nincompoop! Read the Qur`an--oh yeh, the Qur`an is the Holy Book of Muslims not of Qadianis.
Sayyidina Isa alayhisalam did NOT die you nincompoop! Read the Qur`an--oh yeh, the Qur`an is the Holy Book of Muslims not of Qadianis.
#84 Posted by khamkhwa. on July 16, 2005 9:41:25 am
naqshbandi....
still waiting for your source of zulaykha seeing in hazrat yusuf the manifestation of god...
still waiting for your source of zulaykha seeing in hazrat yusuf the manifestation of god...
#85 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 16, 2005 9:59:38 am
Re: # 84
i refer you to Hazrat Abdur Rahman Jami`s Farsi masterpiece, Yusuf-o-Zuleykha. An English translation is available...
i refer you to Hazrat Abdur Rahman Jami`s Farsi masterpiece, Yusuf-o-Zuleykha. An English translation is available...
#86 Posted by khamkhwa. on July 16, 2005 10:36:54 am
Re: # 85
...let`s discuss it from quranic verses...i think what you wrote is outright `shirk`...unless you can prove your contention from quran alone...
...let`s discuss it from quranic verses...i think what you wrote is outright `shirk`...unless you can prove your contention from quran alone...
#87 Posted by RizwanAhmed on July 16, 2005 11:36:51 am
Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr
Mr Naqasbandi, let me remind you, above is, topic of ``what you wrote``. And you are trying to spread the notion that this is ``sufism``
Real Sufi`s are miles away from naked ness. It is the heart
, which makes one sufi.
And Islam never has a dry patch of Literate poeple, recepient of devine guidance.
Open your mouth, and say something about what Real Sufism is, if you have some idea about it in your
.
Mr Naqasbandi, let me remind you, above is, topic of ``what you wrote``. And you are trying to spread the notion that this is ``sufism``
Real Sufi`s are miles away from naked ness. It is the heart
, which makes one sufi.
And Islam never has a dry patch of Literate poeple, recepient of devine guidance.
Open your mouth, and say something about what Real Sufism is, if you have some idea about it in your
.
#88 Posted by RizwanAhmed on July 16, 2005 11:45:31 am
Mr. Naqsbandi,
Scholars Vs Sufis, has always been the contention, scholars with dry words and rules, real-sufi with essense and comprehensive understanding of Islam.
Then I see your attempt to define ``Wahee`` and ``Illahaat``, based on what? from which source? fragment of your imagination? from limited reading of ``half baked scholar``.
Let me help you, Quran says that ``Earth will be given ``wahee`` on day-of-Zalzal``.
How can you and your naked-faqir, high on opium, can understand these things, it requires pure heart of a sufi to understand these things, as Quran says.
And one last hit on your ignorance; did you say Quran is for Muslims? are you awake? or else what were you smoking when said this.This shows depth of ignorance; darkness.
Scholars Vs Sufis, has always been the contention, scholars with dry words and rules, real-sufi with essense and comprehensive understanding of Islam.
Then I see your attempt to define ``Wahee`` and ``Illahaat``, based on what? from which source? fragment of your imagination? from limited reading of ``half baked scholar``.
Let me help you, Quran says that ``Earth will be given ``wahee`` on day-of-Zalzal``.
How can you and your naked-faqir, high on opium, can understand these things, it requires pure heart of a sufi to understand these things, as Quran says.
And one last hit on your ignorance; did you say Quran is for Muslims? are you awake? or else what were you smoking when said this.This shows depth of ignorance; darkness.
#89 Posted by joieya on July 17, 2005 1:14:24 am
Reminds me about Archimedes of Greece and his famous Eureka. There defintely was a state of his mind where he forgot everything and danced naked in the streets. What was that?
#90 Posted by cayenne on July 17, 2005 4:16:43 am
Talk about progress!!.I think this article is appropriate for this board!!!.
UNI
Condom vending machines to hit Kerala
Sunday, 17 July , 2005, 12:10
Thiruvananthapuram: Insert a coin before you undertake another misadventure! This may be the advice given by the Kerala State AIDS Control Society (KSACS) gives to sex workers. View: Sify offbeat special
Especially to target sex workers and their customers, the society, in tie up with the Hindustan Latex Family Planning Promotion Trust, will install 50 condom vending machines at major cities like Thiruvananthapuram, Ernakulam and Kozhikode this week.
Two pieces of condoms will eject from the machine once a one rupee coin is inserted into it. Initially, social marketing brands such as Nirodh will be made available through the vending machines.
If other players in the condom market comes forward to install similar machines, a wide range of condoms will be available.
“Our idea is to make available condoms round the clock. Now, there is a problem in getting it once shops are closed in the evening,” Dr S K Hari Kumar, manager of Kerala Condom Promotion Project, said.
One hundred such vending machines would be installed in a phased manner in various parts of the state at strategic locations, so that condoms are easily available to all, especially the high-risk groups.
The condom promotion project is an initiative of Hindustan Latex ltd., the largest condom maker in the public sector in India, to promote the message of protected or safe sex.
In the first phase, low socio-economic groups, especially high-risk groups such as commercial sex workers and homosexuals, were targeted. So only the subsidised social marketing brands such as Nirodh will be made available through the vending machines.
Reality is always stranger than fiction.
UNI
Condom vending machines to hit Kerala
Sunday, 17 July , 2005, 12:10
Thiruvananthapuram: Insert a coin before you undertake another misadventure! This may be the advice given by the Kerala State AIDS Control Society (KSACS) gives to sex workers. View: Sify offbeat special
Especially to target sex workers and their customers, the society, in tie up with the Hindustan Latex Family Planning Promotion Trust, will install 50 condom vending machines at major cities like Thiruvananthapuram, Ernakulam and Kozhikode this week.
Two pieces of condoms will eject from the machine once a one rupee coin is inserted into it. Initially, social marketing brands such as Nirodh will be made available through the vending machines.
If other players in the condom market comes forward to install similar machines, a wide range of condoms will be available.
“Our idea is to make available condoms round the clock. Now, there is a problem in getting it once shops are closed in the evening,” Dr S K Hari Kumar, manager of Kerala Condom Promotion Project, said.
One hundred such vending machines would be installed in a phased manner in various parts of the state at strategic locations, so that condoms are easily available to all, especially the high-risk groups.
The condom promotion project is an initiative of Hindustan Latex ltd., the largest condom maker in the public sector in India, to promote the message of protected or safe sex.
In the first phase, low socio-economic groups, especially high-risk groups such as commercial sex workers and homosexuals, were targeted. So only the subsidised social marketing brands such as Nirodh will be made available through the vending machines.
Reality is always stranger than fiction.
#91 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 17, 2005 9:03:26 am
Just a question: I am thinking of translating other biographies of sufi saints from the same book, particularly the well known punjabi sufis. would people be interested?
#92 Posted by cayenne on July 17, 2005 12:11:58 pm
Re: # 91
As long as the word ``naked`` appears on the essay/article i will defintiely be interested.
As long as the word ``naked`` appears on the essay/article i will defintiely be interested.
#93 Posted by ZahraJ on July 17, 2005 9:48:19 pm
Asif,
This was torture. If you start writing this kind of convoluted stuff then you should be banned from Chowk. Half of this write-up is full of alqabaat and extensions of people`s names. I glanced through first 5 lines and last passage.
Boring, Boring and Boring!
This was torture. If you start writing this kind of convoluted stuff then you should be banned from Chowk. Half of this write-up is full of alqabaat and extensions of people`s names. I glanced through first 5 lines and last passage.
Boring, Boring and Boring!
#94 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 18, 2005 3:02:10 am
zahra--i am surprised--not that you found it boring but the comment about alqabaats: i deliberately left out most of the alqabaat when doing the translation.
#95 Posted by Urstruly on July 18, 2005 5:34:37 am
Naqshbandi
Every post after 67 is proof positive why innovation in the matters of faith is haraam; just a seemingly ``harmless`` concept of ilhaam turns into a fitna as vile and destructive as that of Quadianiyat. Why can`t the holy men be given just the status of teachers instead of something in the line of prophets and angels. After all teaching is the sunnah of Prophets and their status is equal to that of ones father or mother.
#96 Posted by hamidm2 on July 18, 2005 9:30:29 am
is there anything worse than the poor qadianis ?
urstruly states : ``innovation in the matters of faith is haraam; just a seemingly ``harmless`` concept of ilhaam turns into a fitna as vile and destructive as that of Quadianiyat``
........... and this is from a man who has happily embraced the recent ``innovations`` of suicidal and homicidal bombings ! .......... so what does he propose we do with the qadianis - kill, quarter, maime, or behead ? ............ i am sure sattar and his family are anxious to know what the faithful and vengeful megalomaniacs propose for them ! ...............
urstruly states : ``innovation in the matters of faith is haraam; just a seemingly ``harmless`` concept of ilhaam turns into a fitna as vile and destructive as that of Quadianiyat``
........... and this is from a man who has happily embraced the recent ``innovations`` of suicidal and homicidal bombings ! .......... so what does he propose we do with the qadianis - kill, quarter, maime, or behead ? ............ i am sure sattar and his family are anxious to know what the faithful and vengeful megalomaniacs propose for them ! ...............
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