Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr

Nabi is who convey the message, Nabi-e-Allah is the teacher, appointed by God to teach.

Rasul is who brings the message.

Rasul and Nabi is who brings the message and teaches the message.

Real fitna is when you start claiming ``Our prophet Muhmmad`` and ``Our Islam`` and ``Our Quran``, and through un-guided and mis-understood notions try to confine a Universal and beatuiful Religion of Islam.

What kind of ``Irfan`` is obtained by being naked and remaining naked,

Nauz-Billah, why not you have a sunnah of this thing, if it such a great thing.

Depth of ignorance.

Naqshbandi (#79):

You are misinterpreting Quranic verses to support your view of end of prophethood. Read my brief comments in response.

- This day I have perfected your religion for you, computed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion (5:4).

Allah perfecting His favors … is not the same as Allah ending his favors. Allah continues to bestow His favors on people … universe continues to function according to physical laws, people have children, prayers get answered, people give charity … life goes on. In short, Allah’s favors continue. His spiritual favors achieved perfection in the Law of Quran… and that is what this verse refers to. Since Allah’s favors continue, why will prophethood end?

- Say! O people! I am sent unto you all as the apostle of Allah (7:158)

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the prophet for all ages. Agreed. But this does not mean end of propehthood.

Moses (pbuh) was a prophet for Israelites. However, later Allah also raised Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet for Israelites. Jesus came to revive the message of Moses. Re-read this line.

Similarly, coming of future prophets to revive message of Quran … is fully consistent with “Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being the prophet for all ages”. This is the meaning of khatam-un-nabiyeen … the most exalted prophet.

- We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to mankind giving them glad-tidings and warning them (against sin ), but most people understand not (34:28)

Same as above ... othing new to add here.
Got any more from Quran???

sattar,

you may shout as much as you will but as my posts --from qur`an and hadith have shown the Prophet is the last prophet and everyone after him who claims such is a dajjal. I notice you have not only given khatam an nabbiyeen a new meaning (the actual meaning according to the Arabic language is given in my post to rizwan.

You boasted to urstruly that he couldn`t produce the hadiths he mentioned. well, kafira, here are some:

The belief of ``Khatm-e-Nubuwwat`` (finality of prophethood) has also been stressed in a number of Ahaadeeth which reach the sublime degree of Tawaatur (continuty). That is why Allaamah Aaloosi rahmatullahi alayh has said:

``And the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam being the final prophet is a belief based on what the Qur`aan has described, and the Sunnah has stated clearly and the (Consensus) Ijmaa`a of the Ummah. Therefore the claimant or the believer of a belief other than this will be declared a kaafir and killed if he insists.

(Roohul Ma`aani, Page 65, Volume 7)

Now, we will quote a few authentic Ahaadeeth for the benefit of the readers.

1.

``My likeness and the likeness of the prophets before me is the likeness of a person who built a house and made it complete and beautiful, except the place of a brick in a corner. So people began to go around it and wonder at it and say, ``Why has not this brick been placed?`` (The Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ``I am the brick and I am the last of the prophets.``

Bukhaari, Page 501, Volume 2

Muslim, Page 248, Volume 2
2.

``The Holy Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam said to Ali radhiyallahu anhu, ``You stand to me in the same relation as Haaroon alayhis salaam stood to Moosaa alayhis salaam, except that there is no prophet after me. ``

Bukhaari, Page 633, Volume 2

Muslim, Page 278, Volume 2
3.

``Verily, the apostle-ship and prophethood has finished. So there is no apostle and no prophet after me.``

Tirmizi
4.

``I am the last of the prophets and you are the last of the Ummahs (nations).``

Ibne Maajah, Page 307
5.

``....Verily, thirty liars will be born in my Ummah; every one of them will claim to be a prophet, though I am the last of the prophets, and there will be no prophet after me.``

Tirmizi, Page 45, Volume 2

There are more than 200 authentic Ahaadeeth which support the belief of ``Khatm-e-Nubuwwat`` (finality of prophethood). Hence, this doctrine is decidedly and unanimously acknowledged an article of faith in Islaam. At the same time I would like to draw your attention particularly towards the last Hadeeth where the Holy Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam, besides confirming this belief in hundreds of his sayings, clearly predicted that claimants to prophethood will be born in his Ummah after him. The Holy Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam has, therefore, warned the Muslims to beware of such impostors and always keep in mind that: ``I am the last of the prophets``, which obviously means that, ``there will be no prophet of any kind after me. ``

For more see this website: http://www.islaam.org/Finality/Finality-1.htm#The%20Finality%20Of

Naqshbandi (#79):

Part of your problem is mistranslating ahadith. Note that the dear Prophet (pbuh) spoke neither English nor Urdu. He spoke Arabic. You are applying Urdu meaning of your liking to an Arabic word … simply because it sounds Urdu. Consider for example, the hadith you yourself quoted (as did Urstruly) … before becoming silent on it (as did Urstruly):

”I am the last (akhir) prophet and this mosque of mine is the last (akhir) mosque.”

What does the Arabic word “akhir” mean here? The ``last ever``? I hope not.

Your continued silence on this suggests you are clueless … and are only parroting what your imams asked you to memorize.

You also did not comment on #61 regarding “miracles of Quran”. Note that in Quran Allah commands the dear Prophet (pbuh) that if people demand miracles from you, say … ``I am but a human sent as a messenger`` (Surah-e-Israel).

Urstruly …

Any comments on #77 …??

What about rivers flowing from Prophet’s fingers (as explained by Naqsh)? Is this innovation enough for you???

sattar

Sometimes I wonder what could be your motive to write about your religion here. There can be only be two motives to that:

1. Proselytize your religion

2. Cope with your identity crises

Assumption# 1:

If you are here to prolselytize then you would not use an antagonistic attitude on every matter with other people. The last thing that you would ever do would be to antagonize people by ridiculing their belief system. You would not lie to make a political point. And you would present a better picture of your belief system that would make sense to other people but you don`t. That brings us to my second assumption.



Assumption#2

I am more inclined to think that you Quadiani people are suffering from acute identity crises. Your dilemma is that you want to become very people you want to despise so much, whereas you want those people to become what you are now. This is an impossible objective. This objective in mind will confuse the bejesus out of any sane minded individual. Take for example, hamidm, he pretends to be an atheist to misguide the people he dispises so much. And take tahmad, he pretends to be a devout Muslim. Two different approaches - one objective. And you my friend are the most pathetic of this lot. The years of hatered, frustration, and bigotry that is drilled into people like you since childhood is begining to take its toll. Life is short and human beings are not cut out enduring this kind of mental torture. Probably, this torture is the revenge that He exacts upon people like you. There is a way out. Take Zehra Rizvi, a contributor at this website, who has said adios to her faith for good. She is out of its matters. she doesnt want to change more people, and she doesn`t care what others do. She is at peace. On the other hand their is a curse upon people like hamidm, salman rushdie, and yourself. Once you are out of Islam, you cannot free yourself. You cannot achieve peace. Bhai iss mazhab se itni nafrat hay tau iss ki dhooi say nikkal jao. But I guess people like you are sent by Him to make us feel that how lucky we are.

Urstruly (re #95):

Your reasoning employs double standards …

- If you have a problem with “ilhaam turning into fitna” … maybe you should’ve been around 1400 years ago … and explained this to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Ilham is from Allah Almighty, whereas fitna is caused by disbelievers in response.

- If claims of prophethood bother you, ask yourself … why did Jesus claim to be a prophet? May be he should have simply claimed to be a teacher.

Claims of prophethood bothered enemies of prophet Muhammad, Moses, Jesus (pbu them), and more. In retaliation unbelievers violently presecuted believers. Quran is a witness to this truth as history repeats itself.

Naqshbandi,

I explained your misinterpretation of Quran on end of prophethood (#98). It seems you don’t have anything to make your case. Here’re a few Quranic references that support continuation of prophethood.

- In the very first chapter (surah-e-fatiha), believers are commanded to pray to Allah … “guide us along the right path … the path of those on whom Thou bestowed Thy favors … not the path of those who earned Thy wrath and went astray”.

Quran gives account of several nations who accepted Allah’s prophets and were blessed … and also those who rejected prophets and were punished for it. In light of verse cited above, it seems reasonable that prophets will continue to appear … and believers should strive to be the ones who accept them and follow them.

- O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles (rasool) from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve … - (Quran, 7:35)

Here Quran tells believers to accept messengers of Allah whenever they appear. You think this commandment is now out-dated … but for me Quran is a timeless Book.

There’s more … but you get the point.
I`ll post more on ahadith ... to show how you’ve misinterpreted them in #99 ...

Naqshbandi (re #99):

You’ve posted ahadith incorrectly or out of context. Read on (longish post)…

- On the first hadith: My understanding is that it refers to prophets who brought shariah (read on to understand why). With revelation of Quran, no more prophets will bring new shariah. That is so say, the last brick is now in place.

- Second hadith you quoted …”You stand to me in the same relation as Haaroon alayhis salaam stood to Moosaa alayhis salaam, except that there is no prophet after (ba’ad) me.”

Review the context here. The dear Prophet was leaving Ali in charge as he himself was leaving town. To impress Ali’s authority upon believers, the Prophet (pbuh) likened him to prophet Haroon who was in charge while Moses was away.

This would have led people to conclude that Ali, like Haroon, is also a prophet. This potential misunderstanding was explained away in the second half … “except that there is no prophet after (ba’ad) me”.

Arabic word “ba’ad” also has meaning of “behind”. The prophet was clarifying that though Ali is in charge … his capacity is not that of a prophet.

Conversely, saying that “Ali is in charge” … and following it up with “no more prophets will ever appear” makes no sense. These two are completely unrelated issues, unless you accept explanation I have proposed.

- Similar mistranslation applies to the third hadith you quoted

- Fourth hadith you quoted … about “last prophet and last people” … is very much like “last prophet and last mosque” (see post #100 for details). What does “last” mean here? I have asked you several times … but never got an answer.

- Regarding hadith #5: If/when Issa-ibne-Marriam reappears … he too would claim to be a prophet. Would you call him a liar also? He may kill you … you know … he is supposed to be very hard on disbelievers …

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Now … a few ahadith and references to counter your views …

- The dear Prophet (pbuh) reportedly said that Abu Bakr is the most righteous of his followers, except one who is a prophet.

- The dear Prophet called Ali khatam-ul-auliya.

- In hadith regarding appearance of Issa-ibne-Marriam … prophet (pbuh) foretold appearance of a prophet who will bear spiritual resemblance to Issa.

- In Sayutti’s book, a saying of Hazrat Ayesha (ra) is recorded: “Do call him khatam-un-
nabiyeen, but do not say there will be no prophet after him”.

- I have come across Arabic references where “khattam-al-muhaqaqeen”, “khattam-ul-muhadaseen”, “khattam-ul-mufasereen” … refer to a person’s high rank in a particular field.

As for the views of well-reputed scholars … click away. Your ullema’s claim about unanimity in accepting end of prophethood is a big, fat lie.

[Seal of Prophets]

Asif:

Footnote kis language main hae? Is that English, Arabic or Urdu?

Why did your write-up create a spasm amongst the religious and irreligious? In the end, there is no conclusion that one can draw from their learned observations and readings. Do you disagree?

Hadith???.Kya hai?.I want more `Nekkid`.....

sattar2: urstruly is right about you qadianis: `hum to doobay sanam, tujhe bhi lay doobaingay` is what you are trying to do. you hubris and kufr is so great that you think you are the only ones who correctly understand qur`anic verses and hadith whereas your interpretations are not supported by a single scholar of islam in history from the time of the sahaba to the present day.

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zahraj: dear, this was a translation. I therefore gave all the references which were in the original article too: these constituted the footnotes which were references to names of books etc, mostly in Urdu or Farsi.

Re: # 107
[you hubris and kufr is so great that you think you are the only ones who correctly understand qur`anic verses and hadith]

...strong language mr. naqshbandi...apparently you have the divine authority to decide who is kafir and who is not...

[ whereas your interpretations are not supported by a single scholar of islam in history]

... you maybe surprised to know that these so-called scholars were always on the lookout for the highest bidder...

Finally, i asked you to prove from quran, your viewpoint that zulaykha found the manifestation of allah(swt) in hazrat yusuf, which in my opinion is`kufr`...but you have very conviniently avoided the reference to surah 12 and verses 23 - 29...

Re: # 108

It is not the matter of ``divine authority``, it is a simple matter of judgement and identification. When we see a duck that quacks and waddle like duck, we don`t use some sort of divine authority to call it a duck - we cast our judgement. Please leave these petty PC ideals alone, which are impractical and stupid. Take for example, yourself when you write ``... you maybe surprised to know that these so-called scholars were always on the lookout for the highest bidder... ``, so by insulting the whole cadre of Islamic scholars with just one stroke of pen, did you use a ``divine authority`` to call them a merchandise or did you use your judgement by examining each and every one of them (which of course is not possible without divine powers, right?).

Please grow out of these petty things and see what clamity is facing us eye to eye.

Re: # 109
urstruly...
bullshit is the word that comes to mind seeing your defence of a quack...

Re: # 109
...do you agree that yusuf was the manifestation of allah in zulaikha`s eyes...?

Naqshbandi (re #81):

Filth you posted about Mirza Sahib is indicative of your filthy mind. There are a few problems with your post:

- Firstly, the original claim you made against Mirza Sahib is different from what you are posting now. Urstruly had earlier looked into this claim and agreed it is without merit.

I challenged you to validate your claim. You failed. Lacking the decency to accept your error … you became silent. You acted like a two-bit eunuch and a coward.

- Secondly, I could not find the very first reference you cited. I checked other pages of the book, but to no avail. So I must ask … from where are you getting this information? I don’t think you have read the actual material … and are merely copying incorrect information from a hate-filled web-site. Can you provide a link to this web-site?

Urstruly too made disgusting claims against Mirza Sahib. But when asked for references, he too failed and became silent.

Will you continue to dance around the issue like a two-bit eunuch? Or do you have some galls?