Temporal July 5, 2005
#49 Posted by bongdongs on July 6, 2005 10:12:04 am
this is how bright the Pakistani elite like Charlie is, they will strve their own people just to maintain their hostitlity to India.
http://www.financialexpress.com/latest_full_story.php?content_id=95749?headline=Sugar~to~sweeten~Indo-Pak~ties
http://www.financialexpress.com/latest_full_story.php?content_id=95749?headline=Sugar~to~sweeten~Indo-Pak~ties
#48 Posted by kaurasach on July 6, 2005 9:37:47 am
An oddity - no group has claimed responsibility. Is it because the mission was a failure?
#47 Posted by bongdongs on July 6, 2005 9:33:00 am
Pakistani ``dissatisfaction`` with talk`s is due to their over-inflated ego, every talk begins and ends with ``gimme, gimme, gimme ...``
here hear it again: you are not going to be given on platter what you havent won in 3 1/2 wars. get it?
here hear it again: you are not going to be given on platter what you havent won in 3 1/2 wars. get it?
#46 Posted by bongdongs on July 6, 2005 9:30:55 am
#45
good so now you are convinced of the ``truth`` about indian`s I hope you will stop identifying yourself as one (as you have admitted to doing)
good so now you are convinced of the ``truth`` about indian`s I hope you will stop identifying yourself as one (as you have admitted to doing)
#45 Posted by Charlie on July 6, 2005 9:23:49 am
#42 We talk, you kill...
Huh! Plain Lie. If India had any wish to solve problems on talks, all problems might have been solved till now. Pakistan is a weaker country, why it will take so much pain to destablize India. Only reason for that is that India always avoid talks or during the talks keep on showing a stubborn attitude.
#44 http://www.saag.org/papers15/paper1440.html
garbage. Full of lies. One can easily see that writer puts everything on Muslims and then on ISI.
Huh! Plain Lie. If India had any wish to solve problems on talks, all problems might have been solved till now. Pakistan is a weaker country, why it will take so much pain to destablize India. Only reason for that is that India always avoid talks or during the talks keep on showing a stubborn attitude.
#44 http://www.saag.org/papers15/paper1440.html
garbage. Full of lies. One can easily see that writer puts everything on Muslims and then on ISI.
#44 Posted by bongdongs on July 6, 2005 9:11:01 am
#35
here read this:
http://www.saag.org/papers15/paper1440.html
here read this:
http://www.saag.org/papers15/paper1440.html
#43 Posted by mohar11 on July 6, 2005 8:53:11 am
Re: # 39
//..can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains...//
Really? Well - there have been four wars already - you pakis lost all of them. How did that happen? Didn`t you have ``brains`` at that time? .... Or are you saying you pakis have acquired ``brains`` only recently so that you can fianlly beat hinud a$$es?? .... And are those ``brains`` built indigenously or imported from china??
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..... I never understood where this paki bravado comes from? These fools have lost all the wars, mini wars, war of thousand cuts, jihads. And yet they come back saying the same line over and over again .... It`s like that incompetent hunter who tries hunt the 800 pound bear and gets his a$$ screwe!d again and again, literally :)
//..can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains...//
Really? Well - there have been four wars already - you pakis lost all of them. How did that happen? Didn`t you have ``brains`` at that time? .... Or are you saying you pakis have acquired ``brains`` only recently so that you can fianlly beat hinud a$$es?? .... And are those ``brains`` built indigenously or imported from china??
+++
..... I never understood where this paki bravado comes from? These fools have lost all the wars, mini wars, war of thousand cuts, jihads. And yet they come back saying the same line over and over again .... It`s like that incompetent hunter who tries hunt the 800 pound bear and gets his a$$ screwe!d again and again, literally :)
#41 Posted by bongdongs on July 6, 2005 8:12:36 am
#34
it is important to understand that L-e-T has no ``mass base`` in a mainstream pakistani religious organizations. It is a offshoot of a minority sect, it was created and almost totally funded by ISI.
Now the point is do you consider elements within the ISI as ``rogue`` or completely an arm of the state?
it is important to understand that L-e-T has no ``mass base`` in a mainstream pakistani religious organizations. It is a offshoot of a minority sect, it was created and almost totally funded by ISI.
Now the point is do you consider elements within the ISI as ``rogue`` or completely an arm of the state?
#40 Posted by jang on July 6, 2005 8:08:29 am
charlie,
either indians are superior or they are not. if true, accept the truth. if false, call them ignorant, end of story. why the jihadi urge of fight unto death?
either indians are superior or they are not. if true, accept the truth. if false, call them ignorant, end of story. why the jihadi urge of fight unto death?
#39 Posted by Cadbury on July 6, 2005 8:04:22 am
Re: # 37
Hi Cayenne,
About your last comment, if my history serves me right, didn`t one of your very prominent leaders at the time of independence made similar claims of us Pikes not being able to survive on our own, a country that came into being with a capital of only 700 million rupees and atleast double the mouths to feed???
Now if you count aren`t we like 68 yrs old almost as old as your oh so great and rich and not to forget secular and tolerant country (which by the way still owes us 50 million of our due share from 1947`s finance split in Reserve Bank of India)
I ve seen the media propaganda against us in your internal media, we aren`t a country of cavemens darling moving our bodies to your music. If you think the partition of your Akhand Bharat was unjust, just remeber that we`ve acheived that with all the sanctions and poverty 68 yrs ago with all of you and the british ombined and you expect to conquer us now? when we`ve fed on our own lush food and have all the same resources as you on hand, we may not have tons of money, armour or human count but can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains.
Temporal along with everyone who shares his veiws which ofcourse includes me on the subject are very fair and right in hoping for peace with you guys but then just remember we are peaceful as we follow a peaceful religion put please stop bagering on our national esteem otherwise all i can say is that whatever you blame us of will only be remembered as trailers to what you will see on a full fledged war.
Hi Cayenne,
About your last comment, if my history serves me right, didn`t one of your very prominent leaders at the time of independence made similar claims of us Pikes not being able to survive on our own, a country that came into being with a capital of only 700 million rupees and atleast double the mouths to feed???
Now if you count aren`t we like 68 yrs old almost as old as your oh so great and rich and not to forget secular and tolerant country (which by the way still owes us 50 million of our due share from 1947`s finance split in Reserve Bank of India)
I ve seen the media propaganda against us in your internal media, we aren`t a country of cavemens darling moving our bodies to your music. If you think the partition of your Akhand Bharat was unjust, just remeber that we`ve acheived that with all the sanctions and poverty 68 yrs ago with all of you and the british ombined and you expect to conquer us now? when we`ve fed on our own lush food and have all the same resources as you on hand, we may not have tons of money, armour or human count but can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains.
Temporal along with everyone who shares his veiws which ofcourse includes me on the subject are very fair and right in hoping for peace with you guys but then just remember we are peaceful as we follow a peaceful religion put please stop bagering on our national esteem otherwise all i can say is that whatever you blame us of will only be remembered as trailers to what you will see on a full fledged war.
#38 Posted by mohar11 on July 6, 2005 6:51:36 am
Re: # 35
//...Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war...//
Nah - no ``full fledge`` war - let`s just have another war by ``thousand cuts``. That kinda worked for us coward hinoods. You pakis waged that war for 15 years and bled yourselves to almost death :). And hindoos went on to become 4th largest [ or some such number ] economy.
Kind of neat, ain`t it?
//...Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war...//
Nah - no ``full fledge`` war - let`s just have another war by ``thousand cuts``. That kinda worked for us coward hinoods. You pakis waged that war for 15 years and bled yourselves to almost death :). And hindoos went on to become 4th largest [ or some such number ] economy.
Kind of neat, ain`t it?
#37 Posted by cayenne on July 6, 2005 6:25:12 am
Re: # 35
sweetness....we did it before, we kicked pak butt,when we were dirt poor, had a hodge podge collection of armaments and the world`s greatest country hot on our heels,as is evident from recent transcripts.NOW, we`re rich, we have the world`s third largest army, 6th largest airforce and we manufacture our jets in our own backyard, spare parts et al.Our navy is the largest in Asia.Enough said.get your mother outta there, if you`re pak.And, we have a legtimate reason...terrorism.the time is right to strike, `cause if we cripple your country/economy now, then there will never be another chance for you guys to grow.
sweetness....we did it before, we kicked pak butt,when we were dirt poor, had a hodge podge collection of armaments and the world`s greatest country hot on our heels,as is evident from recent transcripts.NOW, we`re rich, we have the world`s third largest army, 6th largest airforce and we manufacture our jets in our own backyard, spare parts et al.Our navy is the largest in Asia.Enough said.get your mother outta there, if you`re pak.And, we have a legtimate reason...terrorism.the time is right to strike, `cause if we cripple your country/economy now, then there will never be another chance for you guys to grow.
#36 Posted by arjun_m on July 6, 2005 6:08:46 am
#35 by Charlie on July 6, 2005 4:02am PT
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot.
That`s right....you were a peace loving, full of love for fellow mankind paki before you came to chowk...one encounter with the Indians and you became one of the 2/3rd of pakis who think Osama is a hero and not a terrorist...
trust those damn Indians do that to a decent non-jihadi paki...
Pakistanis should not accept any peace that gives these people a feeling of being stronger, superior or winner.
Who gives a paki`s ass what you care to accept...This is about Kashmir isn`t it? more specifically, your failure to deal with the reality that India won`t hand over Indian Kashmir....
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot.
That`s right....you were a peace loving, full of love for fellow mankind paki before you came to chowk...one encounter with the Indians and you became one of the 2/3rd of pakis who think Osama is a hero and not a terrorist...
trust those damn Indians do that to a decent non-jihadi paki...
Pakistanis should not accept any peace that gives these people a feeling of being stronger, superior or winner.
Who gives a paki`s ass what you care to accept...This is about Kashmir isn`t it? more specifically, your failure to deal with the reality that India won`t hand over Indian Kashmir....
#35 Posted by Charlie on July 6, 2005 4:02:32 am
Tempo Unkil! Your wish to make peace with India is genuinely understandable. I also wish it to happen. But with the Indian mindset based on superiority complex, I am in no favor to have good ties with them. Pakistanis should not accept any peace that gives these people a feeling of being stronger, superior or winner.
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot. While, in Pakistan there are a lot of people talking of unconditional withdrawal from our genuine rights, Indian psychology is too much bent toward feeling that they have all the rights are they are all right. Even when, they talk of peace, they talk of removing the borders. What does it mean? To me, it means thay don`t have the simplest idea about the fact that Pakistanis need security, not the unity. The day, we feel secure of Indian agressions (and it will happen only if Indians get rid of their superiority complex), there and our problems will be solved.
Have you listened them talking of waging war against Pakistan. Huh! Let them wage a war. What do these people think? Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war.
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot. While, in Pakistan there are a lot of people talking of unconditional withdrawal from our genuine rights, Indian psychology is too much bent toward feeling that they have all the rights are they are all right. Even when, they talk of peace, they talk of removing the borders. What does it mean? To me, it means thay don`t have the simplest idea about the fact that Pakistanis need security, not the unity. The day, we feel secure of Indian agressions (and it will happen only if Indians get rid of their superiority complex), there and our problems will be solved.
Have you listened them talking of waging war against Pakistan. Huh! Let them wage a war. What do these people think? Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war.
#34 Posted by harish_hyd on July 5, 2005 11:58:13 pm
#28 by wahi_to
[well it is certainly possible that this might be an ISI work but pakistan is trying to portray the ``secular`` image these days and this would run contrary to that ``secular`` image game.]
[of course there are folks in pakistan that would love to see India in hell but right now this action wont help pakistan.]
There are many quarters in Pakistan, prominent among them the religious right and their armed wings, terrorist groups like the LeT and JeM, that are upset by the recent peace talks between India and Pakistan. They see this as the ultimate betrayal of the Kashmiri cause by Musharraf. They would do anything to damage the peace process.
Alternately, Mushy himself could have tacitly given the go-ahead because in nearly 2 years of the peace process, India hasn`t altered its stance that there cannot be a redrawing of borders. This might be a subtle warning that if there is no progress on the Kashmir issue, then it will be back to business as usual.
[well it is certainly possible that this might be an ISI work but pakistan is trying to portray the ``secular`` image these days and this would run contrary to that ``secular`` image game.]
[of course there are folks in pakistan that would love to see India in hell but right now this action wont help pakistan.]
There are many quarters in Pakistan, prominent among them the religious right and their armed wings, terrorist groups like the LeT and JeM, that are upset by the recent peace talks between India and Pakistan. They see this as the ultimate betrayal of the Kashmiri cause by Musharraf. They would do anything to damage the peace process.
Alternately, Mushy himself could have tacitly given the go-ahead because in nearly 2 years of the peace process, India hasn`t altered its stance that there cannot be a redrawing of borders. This might be a subtle warning that if there is no progress on the Kashmir issue, then it will be back to business as usual.
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