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#78, yes yes, I know its all hindu propaganda but read
http://meaindia.nic.in/jk/kaluchak-massacre.htm

read the names of victims of Kaluchak


(a) Mrs. Premwati (40 yrs) W/o Subedar J.N. Yadav.
(b) Mrs. Avlodhan Devi ( 65yrs) M/o Company Quarter Master Havildar (CQMH) RDP Singh
(c) Ms. Muli (6 yrs) D/o CQMH RDP Singh
(d) Ms. Nitu (14 yrs) D/o Havildar H.S Chauhan.
(e) Mrs. Raya Chauhan ( 30 yrs) W/o Havildar Chauhan.
(f) Mrs. Lalita Kumari (26 yrs) W/o CQMH R.K. Yadav.
(g) Master Amit Yadav (5 yrs) S/o CQMH R.K. Yadav.
(h) Ms. Amandeep Kaur (5 yrs) D/o Subedar Attar Singh
(i) Master Jitender Singh (12 yrs) S/o Subedar Attar Singh
(j) Ms. Dimple (18 yrs) D/o Subedar Gurdev Singh.
(k) Mrs Jaswinder Kaur ( 45 Yrs ) W/O Subedar Gurdev Singh
(l) Mrs Joginder Kaur (21 Yrs) W/O Lance Naik Harbhajan Singh
(m) Master Devender Singh ( 3 Yrs) S/O Battalion Havildar Major Manjeet Singh
(n) Mrs Baljit Kaur (30 Yrs) W/O Sepoy Gurlal Singh
(o) Ms Amandeep Kaur ( 2 Yrs) D/O Sepoy Gurlal Singh
(p) Mrs Punam Devi (38 Yrs) W/O Havildar Surendra Kumar
(q) Ms Anchal (8 Yrs) D/O Havildar Surendra Kumar
(r) Ms Gagan Deep Kaur ( 2 Months) D/O Battalion Havildar Major Manjeet Singh died at the local MH at 2330 hrs on 14 May 0

see their ages: 2 months, 5years, 8 years, 65 years
doesnt your chest just swell with pride Charlie?

#78
Parliament Attack: 13 December, 2001
KALUCHAK MASSACRE: May 14, 2002
Akshardham Attack: September 24, 2002
Bombay Blasts: August 25, 2003


yes, I know Iknow, we hindu`s did it ourselves to defame the ``pure as driven snow`` pakis, so save your breath

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/apr/04spec.htm

#73
charlie, do you remember the hijackers who got released from indian jails? they were in jail, they got freed, very much alive, and one of them went on to murder daniel pearl, who brought so much bad PR to pakistan.

pakistani establishment knows where many of the terrorist are, so when pressure gets high from bush, they catch a couple, and summarily hand them over to americans without even a pretense of due process. that earned the infamous dog cartoon. since you are interested in trials mr dawood-bhai is in karachi, very alive, please hand him over, he will be tried hopefully to your satisfaction (unless he dies in an unfortunate escape attempt).

rule of law in india is spotty at best, but catchiing and prosecuting jehadis bent on blowing themselves is not easy even in the west. so US went the G`bay route, and UK passed all kinds of strange new laws.

Re: # 77

Jang! While writing the above posts, you, JG, Stuka and few other Indians were constantly in my mind. You are quite reasonable guys. I am sorry If you got hurt by my posts.

Sorrily, most of the Indians (and may be most of the Pakistani do it for India also) like arjun, Veeresh and Mike keep on druming similar thing without realizing that they are looking quite funny for that. I was pissed of by their atitude and hence I started all above things.

This explanation however doesn`t mean that I back out from my above statements. I still believe that Indian psychology is not very different from Pakistani psychology. Most of the Indians are Hinduvta Jihadis. Atleast, on this forum where quite educated people come, it is very true.

arjun, bongdong, Mike! All of you are good at cut and paste. AND there is a lot of garbage on the net. Keep it up. It helps me knowing more about theory behind popularity of RSS, BJP, VHP.

I am sorry for the dead children and civilians. At the same time you should be sorry for dead civilians due to RAW acivities in Pakistan.

pakistani`s who deny the role their goverment institutions have played in terrorist incidences all over India (and not just Kashmir) are delibrate obfuscators at best and islamist sypathizers at worst.

anyway I see no reason to waste time with such sophistry.

Re: # 76

You are living in Past. Pakistani institutions were involved in ``freedom struggle`` in Kashmir. Pakistanis supported ``Khalistan`` movement. Just like the way, RAW remained involved in bomb blasts inside Pakistan. Should we keep on drumming the beat how India supported MQM in Karachi during 90s or they supported Mukti Bahni in 1970/71. What else do you expect? In the presence of so many disputed issues, do you want us to give you chocolates and flowers?

After 9/11 however, situation has changed a lot. But Indians are still living in Past. Even if Manmohan Singh catches flu, ISI causes it. Indians have Pakistan-phobia.

http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2001/0205/kashmir_sb1.html

#73

yu are a half-wit moron, and anything that doesnt fit in your worldview will be dismissed as propaganda, but anyway, this is my last attempt

http://www.why-war.com/news/2002/01/01/diaryofa.html

haha..who is this semi-literate fool Cadbury ? A typical Pakistani `intellectual`...

``... Why cannot the Indians try and capture the terrorists alive and then internationally televise their trials...the world must learn of their identitiy....``

there is evidence and evidence galore, what difference has it made?

Firstly these chaps have a nasty habit of blowing themselves up, even if we captured someone and put them on TV the Paki`s will scream ``propoganda``,

here let me read out the article that will appear jang:

``In another display of Hindoo perfidity a hapless Indian muslim was repeatedly tortured and made to confess to all sorts of crimes. It was quite apparent from his vacant expression the torture the person was made to go through.

Pakistan once again condemms all acts of violence``

Questions to consider:

* Why did it come now?
* What was the aim of the attackers?
* Did the BJP meeting at Surat and the Kulkarni resignation have anything to do with this?
* Who benefits most if the peace process is hindered or rolled back?
* How soon will calm prevail? (this was misconstrued - i meant long term calm between India and Pakistan)
* Are we ordained not to live in peace?
* Can the ordinary people in India (and Pakistan) ever look forward to peaceful days?

* What selfish forces do not want that to happen?

and one new one:

* Why cannot the Indians try and capture the terrorists alive and then internationally televise their trials...the world must learn of their identitiy...this will put greater pressure on the entitites that support them...

Re: # 68

* Why cannot the Indians try and capture the terrorists alive and then internationally televise their trials...the world must learn of their identitiy...this will put greater pressure on the entitites that support them...


A million dollar question.

If Technologically advanced and very rich Indians don`t know how to capture a few illiterate terrorists alive, Pakistan police can be of some help. No matter how backward, corrupot and poor Pakistani police is, in recent past they have captured a lot of terrorists alive. Sometime even without gas bombs that make the aggresssors unconscious.

#59 by Cadbury on July 6, 2005 12:29pm PT


just check which side had treason inquiries against there own people weapon scandals against their own leaders. I don`t remember that happening in Pakistan and unlike you my memory isn`t bad at all.


Silly me...I thought wars were decided by who held the ground in contention...

#62

yeah, thats why so many pakistani`s believe Mossad was behind 9/11 and all jews received a telphaic message as they were leaving for work to stay away from downtown Manhattan.

This is what PM Singh said on the way to Gleneagles;

Ayodhya Attack PTI

Terror infrastructure in Pak by and large intact: PM


Wednesday, 06 July , 2005, 21:50

On Board Special Aircraft: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Wednesday stopped short of blaming terrorist groups in Pakistan for Tuesday’s attack in Ayodhya. He said there was no doubt that terror infrastructure was ``by and large intact.``

In a blunt warning, the Prime Minister said recurrence of such incidents could derail the Indo-Pak peace process which the two countries had committed to make irreversible.

``All those who are concerned have an obligation,`` Singh told reporters accompanying him to London for the G-8 summit at Gleneagles in Scotland.

``The terror attack in the makeshift Ram temple in Ayodhya was a major incident and there was no doubt that the infrastructure for terrorism (in Pakistan) is by and large intact,`` Singh, who has since arrived in London, said.

``Both President Musharraf and I have committed ourselves in the joint statement to make the peace process irreversible. I sincerely hope the commitment is honoured. The major elements in this is that terrorism should be under control,`` he said.

``Anything that came in the way of public opinion, certainly these incidents, they get repeated has the potential to disrupt peace process. All concerned have a commitment to make it irreversible,`` he said.

http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13890025

kaurey, european peace came after 2 world wars and (several other smaller). canada - us came thru lack of power ambition for canada. considering..we in india-pak are doing OK.