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Temporal July 5, 2005
#40 Posted by jang on July 6, 2005 8:08:29 am
charlie,
either indians are superior or they are not. if true, accept the truth. if false, call them ignorant, end of story. why the jihadi urge of fight unto death?
either indians are superior or they are not. if true, accept the truth. if false, call them ignorant, end of story. why the jihadi urge of fight unto death?
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#36 Posted by arjun_m on July 6, 2005 6:08:46 am
#35 by Charlie on July 6, 2005 4:02am PT
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot.
That`s right....you were a peace loving, full of love for fellow mankind paki before you came to chowk...one encounter with the Indians and you became one of the 2/3rd of pakis who think Osama is a hero and not a terrorist...
trust those damn Indians do that to a decent non-jihadi paki...
Pakistanis should not accept any peace that gives these people a feeling of being stronger, superior or winner.
Who gives a paki`s ass what you care to accept...This is about Kashmir isn`t it? more specifically, your failure to deal with the reality that India won`t hand over Indian Kashmir....
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot.
That`s right....you were a peace loving, full of love for fellow mankind paki before you came to chowk...one encounter with the Indians and you became one of the 2/3rd of pakis who think Osama is a hero and not a terrorist...
trust those damn Indians do that to a decent non-jihadi paki...
Pakistanis should not accept any peace that gives these people a feeling of being stronger, superior or winner.
Who gives a paki`s ass what you care to accept...This is about Kashmir isn`t it? more specifically, your failure to deal with the reality that India won`t hand over Indian Kashmir....
#35 Posted by Charlie on July 6, 2005 4:02:32 am
Tempo Unkil! Your wish to make peace with India is genuinely understandable. I also wish it to happen. But with the Indian mindset based on superiority complex, I am in no favor to have good ties with them. Pakistanis should not accept any peace that gives these people a feeling of being stronger, superior or winner.
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot. While, in Pakistan there are a lot of people talking of unconditional withdrawal from our genuine rights, Indian psychology is too much bent toward feeling that they have all the rights are they are all right. Even when, they talk of peace, they talk of removing the borders. What does it mean? To me, it means thay don`t have the simplest idea about the fact that Pakistanis need security, not the unity. The day, we feel secure of Indian agressions (and it will happen only if Indians get rid of their superiority complex), there and our problems will be solved.
Have you listened them talking of waging war against Pakistan. Huh! Let them wage a war. What do these people think? Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war.
My Ideas about Indians after joining chowk has changed a lot. While, in Pakistan there are a lot of people talking of unconditional withdrawal from our genuine rights, Indian psychology is too much bent toward feeling that they have all the rights are they are all right. Even when, they talk of peace, they talk of removing the borders. What does it mean? To me, it means thay don`t have the simplest idea about the fact that Pakistanis need security, not the unity. The day, we feel secure of Indian agressions (and it will happen only if Indians get rid of their superiority complex), there and our problems will be solved.
Have you listened them talking of waging war against Pakistan. Huh! Let them wage a war. What do these people think? Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war.
#38 Posted by mohar11 on July 6, 2005 6:51:36 am
Re: # 35
//...Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war...//
Nah - no ``full fledge`` war - let`s just have another war by ``thousand cuts``. That kinda worked for us coward hinoods. You pakis waged that war for 15 years and bled yourselves to almost death :). And hindoos went on to become 4th largest [ or some such number ] economy.
Kind of neat, ain`t it?
//...Let`s have a full fledge war killing a few million people and then learning a lesson that nobody is winner in a war...//
Nah - no ``full fledge`` war - let`s just have another war by ``thousand cuts``. That kinda worked for us coward hinoods. You pakis waged that war for 15 years and bled yourselves to almost death :). And hindoos went on to become 4th largest [ or some such number ] economy.
Kind of neat, ain`t it?
#37 Posted by cayenne on July 6, 2005 6:25:12 am
Re: # 35
sweetness....we did it before, we kicked pak butt,when we were dirt poor, had a hodge podge collection of armaments and the world`s greatest country hot on our heels,as is evident from recent transcripts.NOW, we`re rich, we have the world`s third largest army, 6th largest airforce and we manufacture our jets in our own backyard, spare parts et al.Our navy is the largest in Asia.Enough said.get your mother outta there, if you`re pak.And, we have a legtimate reason...terrorism.the time is right to strike, `cause if we cripple your country/economy now, then there will never be another chance for you guys to grow.
sweetness....we did it before, we kicked pak butt,when we were dirt poor, had a hodge podge collection of armaments and the world`s greatest country hot on our heels,as is evident from recent transcripts.NOW, we`re rich, we have the world`s third largest army, 6th largest airforce and we manufacture our jets in our own backyard, spare parts et al.Our navy is the largest in Asia.Enough said.get your mother outta there, if you`re pak.And, we have a legtimate reason...terrorism.the time is right to strike, `cause if we cripple your country/economy now, then there will never be another chance for you guys to grow.
#39 Posted by Cadbury on July 6, 2005 8:04:22 am
Re: # 37
Hi Cayenne,
About your last comment, if my history serves me right, didn`t one of your very prominent leaders at the time of independence made similar claims of us Pikes not being able to survive on our own, a country that came into being with a capital of only 700 million rupees and atleast double the mouths to feed???
Now if you count aren`t we like 68 yrs old almost as old as your oh so great and rich and not to forget secular and tolerant country (which by the way still owes us 50 million of our due share from 1947`s finance split in Reserve Bank of India)
I ve seen the media propaganda against us in your internal media, we aren`t a country of cavemens darling moving our bodies to your music. If you think the partition of your Akhand Bharat was unjust, just remeber that we`ve acheived that with all the sanctions and poverty 68 yrs ago with all of you and the british ombined and you expect to conquer us now? when we`ve fed on our own lush food and have all the same resources as you on hand, we may not have tons of money, armour or human count but can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains.
Temporal along with everyone who shares his veiws which ofcourse includes me on the subject are very fair and right in hoping for peace with you guys but then just remember we are peaceful as we follow a peaceful religion put please stop bagering on our national esteem otherwise all i can say is that whatever you blame us of will only be remembered as trailers to what you will see on a full fledged war.
Hi Cayenne,
About your last comment, if my history serves me right, didn`t one of your very prominent leaders at the time of independence made similar claims of us Pikes not being able to survive on our own, a country that came into being with a capital of only 700 million rupees and atleast double the mouths to feed???
Now if you count aren`t we like 68 yrs old almost as old as your oh so great and rich and not to forget secular and tolerant country (which by the way still owes us 50 million of our due share from 1947`s finance split in Reserve Bank of India)
I ve seen the media propaganda against us in your internal media, we aren`t a country of cavemens darling moving our bodies to your music. If you think the partition of your Akhand Bharat was unjust, just remeber that we`ve acheived that with all the sanctions and poverty 68 yrs ago with all of you and the british ombined and you expect to conquer us now? when we`ve fed on our own lush food and have all the same resources as you on hand, we may not have tons of money, armour or human count but can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains.
Temporal along with everyone who shares his veiws which ofcourse includes me on the subject are very fair and right in hoping for peace with you guys but then just remember we are peaceful as we follow a peaceful religion put please stop bagering on our national esteem otherwise all i can say is that whatever you blame us of will only be remembered as trailers to what you will see on a full fledged war.
#60 Posted by cayenne on July 6, 2005 12:31:54 pm
Re: # 39
cadbury
Peaceful?.You have the same resources as us?.Please, then why ain`t the appointed goonda or the satrap running your country at the Gleneagles summit, whereas our head of govt. is?.And why are you guys buying vegetables from us?.And ,you want to buy diesel?.And , now you wanna use our internet cables?.You covet everything we have.You are scum.We best you before, we`ll do it again.It`s just a matter of time.
cadbury
Peaceful?.You have the same resources as us?.Please, then why ain`t the appointed goonda or the satrap running your country at the Gleneagles summit, whereas our head of govt. is?.And why are you guys buying vegetables from us?.And ,you want to buy diesel?.And , now you wanna use our internet cables?.You covet everything we have.You are scum.We best you before, we`ll do it again.It`s just a matter of time.
#69 Posted by Cadbury on July 6, 2005 2:01:15 pm
Re: # 60
Sorry sweets didn`t see ur answer. So wht was the banter about same resources ? well lets see we have the same sun and the moon (they do give us their blessings everyday u know) same patch of land as well and we also have the same skin colour almost, same social problems but since you are not like normal human being these similarities dont mean enough so listen lady, the atom bomb just like yours, soldiers just like yours (most of ours are actually better), tanks like yours, ships like yours, ordinace factories like your, planes like yours etc etc etc.
What more are you looking for ??? how hard is it for you guys to move on from 1947 ??? and buying stuff frm you well incase you haven`t NOTICED we have the MONEY too to spend and you know the best reason YOU ARE CHEAP. When was the last time India became SOOO independant that it stopped buying stuff from abroad. I don`t wanna waste my time researching the net on whtever u buy frm whereever in detail but i guess you know those already don`t you.
Smarten up lady wake up to reality the world really is what you make it and your kinda attitude will only make it worse. And please dont come back crying about me having double standards and talking about kicking your ass cuz i ve said that from the start we will do it IF you provoke and you know smthing just like bombs in temples hurt you explotions and rifle bursts in Mosque hurt us too its not like we will just sit and let you walk over us ever
and yeh tht posty about being ahead of us just incase you`ve forgotten we are always 24 hours earlier than you in our freedon from brits and ofcourse how can i forget YOU.
Again breaking mosques and temples is not the way to move forward but then even after smone specifically mentioning it to you, you wana go over it again and again and again
Sorry sweets didn`t see ur answer. So wht was the banter about same resources ? well lets see we have the same sun and the moon (they do give us their blessings everyday u know) same patch of land as well and we also have the same skin colour almost, same social problems but since you are not like normal human being these similarities dont mean enough so listen lady, the atom bomb just like yours, soldiers just like yours (most of ours are actually better), tanks like yours, ships like yours, ordinace factories like your, planes like yours etc etc etc.
What more are you looking for ??? how hard is it for you guys to move on from 1947 ??? and buying stuff frm you well incase you haven`t NOTICED we have the MONEY too to spend and you know the best reason YOU ARE CHEAP. When was the last time India became SOOO independant that it stopped buying stuff from abroad. I don`t wanna waste my time researching the net on whtever u buy frm whereever in detail but i guess you know those already don`t you.
Smarten up lady wake up to reality the world really is what you make it and your kinda attitude will only make it worse. And please dont come back crying about me having double standards and talking about kicking your ass cuz i ve said that from the start we will do it IF you provoke and you know smthing just like bombs in temples hurt you explotions and rifle bursts in Mosque hurt us too its not like we will just sit and let you walk over us ever
and yeh tht posty about being ahead of us just incase you`ve forgotten we are always 24 hours earlier than you in our freedon from brits and ofcourse how can i forget YOU.
Again breaking mosques and temples is not the way to move forward but then even after smone specifically mentioning it to you, you wana go over it again and again and again
#43 Posted by mohar11 on July 6, 2005 8:53:11 am
Re: # 39
//..can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains...//
Really? Well - there have been four wars already - you pakis lost all of them. How did that happen? Didn`t you have ``brains`` at that time? .... Or are you saying you pakis have acquired ``brains`` only recently so that you can fianlly beat hinud a$$es?? .... And are those ``brains`` built indigenously or imported from china??
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..... I never understood where this paki bravado comes from? These fools have lost all the wars, mini wars, war of thousand cuts, jihads. And yet they come back saying the same line over and over again .... It`s like that incompetent hunter who tries hunt the 800 pound bear and gets his a$$ screwe!d again and again, literally :)
//..can still beat your asses if you even pick on us cuz we have the brains...//
Really? Well - there have been four wars already - you pakis lost all of them. How did that happen? Didn`t you have ``brains`` at that time? .... Or are you saying you pakis have acquired ``brains`` only recently so that you can fianlly beat hinud a$$es?? .... And are those ``brains`` built indigenously or imported from china??
+++
..... I never understood where this paki bravado comes from? These fools have lost all the wars, mini wars, war of thousand cuts, jihads. And yet they come back saying the same line over and over again .... It`s like that incompetent hunter who tries hunt the 800 pound bear and gets his a$$ screwe!d again and again, literally :)
#59 Posted by Cadbury on July 6, 2005 12:29:05 pm
Re: # 43
What did u say we lost 4 wars with u??? God ur government really does raise historically illiterate civilians i guess.
We lost 1948 with u and you know why cuz oh my God !!! the ripping partition the biggest injustice to Hindus gave pakistan only trains full of corpses and eyes full of tears, when we lost the war it was because your oh so great nation behaved like vultures and tried to take whatever they could of those corpses. Which includes the ever debated Kashmir that is oh so yours (yeah right as if!!!)
1965, we lets see i can really teach u history but then just check which was the biggest war of tanks, how many were yours and how many were ours and who won there since u did have the time to comment u can find the time to look for the REAL truth but then thts only if u can take ur blinkers off. We won it only cuz of our brains and sheer courage of our people.
1971, those would have been civil roit if u guys didn`t INTRUDE and help the militias there. We lost to our brothers not u so please !!!!
whts the fourth one Kargil ? Siachen ? just check which side had treason inquiries against there own people weapon scandals against their own leaders. I don`t remember that happening in Pakistan and unlike you my memory isn`t bad at all.
Another evidence for our brains and might is your ever increasin defence budgets, we justify our budget increases on the basis that we are fighting a big nation and have accepted the fact that we have a big hostile neighbour next door you on the other hand are afraid of what then ????? why the fences on the borders sweetheart ? what are you guys of scared off if you are oh so great and better than us.
And our friendship with China ??? now why does that bother you so much when you have all access to Israel, Russia, America ??? Scaredy Cat ??
All said and done guys seriously we can go on and on on who is better forever and ever and ever and since we all love our respective countries we will probably never stop that just how love is. So why can`t we just respect our neighbours and their citizen`s feelings. Nobody asks indians to love pakis and vice versa but u can atleast show respect. I agree we temporal again we cannot choose our geographical neighbours so just accept the facts and move on distorting them is not gonna help at all. I have lost relatives in partitions and the wars in b/w and i m sure ppl from both sides lost their loved ones for thats the nature of wars so why do you want to repeat it again and fill your future generations with the same misconceptions ?
What did u say we lost 4 wars with u??? God ur government really does raise historically illiterate civilians i guess.
We lost 1948 with u and you know why cuz oh my God !!! the ripping partition the biggest injustice to Hindus gave pakistan only trains full of corpses and eyes full of tears, when we lost the war it was because your oh so great nation behaved like vultures and tried to take whatever they could of those corpses. Which includes the ever debated Kashmir that is oh so yours (yeah right as if!!!)
1965, we lets see i can really teach u history but then just check which was the biggest war of tanks, how many were yours and how many were ours and who won there since u did have the time to comment u can find the time to look for the REAL truth but then thts only if u can take ur blinkers off. We won it only cuz of our brains and sheer courage of our people.
1971, those would have been civil roit if u guys didn`t INTRUDE and help the militias there. We lost to our brothers not u so please !!!!
whts the fourth one Kargil ? Siachen ? just check which side had treason inquiries against there own people weapon scandals against their own leaders. I don`t remember that happening in Pakistan and unlike you my memory isn`t bad at all.
Another evidence for our brains and might is your ever increasin defence budgets, we justify our budget increases on the basis that we are fighting a big nation and have accepted the fact that we have a big hostile neighbour next door you on the other hand are afraid of what then ????? why the fences on the borders sweetheart ? what are you guys of scared off if you are oh so great and better than us.
And our friendship with China ??? now why does that bother you so much when you have all access to Israel, Russia, America ??? Scaredy Cat ??
All said and done guys seriously we can go on and on on who is better forever and ever and ever and since we all love our respective countries we will probably never stop that just how love is. So why can`t we just respect our neighbours and their citizen`s feelings. Nobody asks indians to love pakis and vice versa but u can atleast show respect. I agree we temporal again we cannot choose our geographical neighbours so just accept the facts and move on distorting them is not gonna help at all. I have lost relatives in partitions and the wars in b/w and i m sure ppl from both sides lost their loved ones for thats the nature of wars so why do you want to repeat it again and fill your future generations with the same misconceptions ?
#65 Posted by mohar11 on July 6, 2005 12:59:20 pm
Re: # 59 cadbury
//... Nobody asks indians to love pakis and vice versa but u can atleast show respect...//
You want ``respect``, huh? Sometime back you are all gung-ho about beating hinud a$$ with your ``brains``. Now suddenly you want ``respect``....... Well - you ain`t getting any ``respect`` ...... Nobody respects jihadis. hinuds don`t really care about pakis and fools ...
Anycase - If you want respect, then you will have to earn it, work for it. Don`t go beggin for it, that`s just pathetic.
//... Nobody asks indians to love pakis and vice versa but u can atleast show respect...//
You want ``respect``, huh? Sometime back you are all gung-ho about beating hinud a$$ with your ``brains``. Now suddenly you want ``respect``....... Well - you ain`t getting any ``respect`` ...... Nobody respects jihadis. hinuds don`t really care about pakis and fools ...
Anycase - If you want respect, then you will have to earn it, work for it. Don`t go beggin for it, that`s just pathetic.
#71 Posted by Cadbury on July 6, 2005 2:07:54 pm
Re: # 65
Keep on pretending, you seem to have forgotten beggers don`t give threats do they ???
About Jihadis well find out first wht it means and then tlk about it i am not event gonna waste my time teaching u tht. We don`t really call the killers of gujrat roits, 1992 roits or the ones who bought down a mosque sadhus and pandits either although thats what they dress as don`t they and unlike you i do know what Sadhus and Pandit mean
Keep on pretending, you seem to have forgotten beggers don`t give threats do they ???
About Jihadis well find out first wht it means and then tlk about it i am not event gonna waste my time teaching u tht. We don`t really call the killers of gujrat roits, 1992 roits or the ones who bought down a mosque sadhus and pandits either although thats what they dress as don`t they and unlike you i do know what Sadhus and Pandit mean
#67 Posted by Cadbury on July 6, 2005 1:40:00 pm
Re: # 65
Don`t get me wrong I will still stand by my beating ur ass claims but unlike u thats not everything my world revolves around. Respecting each other is the eventual conclusion anyone with BRAINS will come to but then how would you ever understand it ??? God is great isn`t he ?
Don`t get me wrong I will still stand by my beating ur ass claims but unlike u thats not everything my world revolves around. Respecting each other is the eventual conclusion anyone with BRAINS will come to but then how would you ever understand it ???
#62 Posted by Charlie on July 6, 2005 12:43:27 pm
Re: # 59
About historically ignored civilians, I strongly agree. While Pakistanis always have the urge to look for the hidden news inside the propoganda sources, Indians always accept the official statements, newspaper stories and whatever makes their ego happy. Dumb people.
About historically ignored civilians, I strongly agree. While Pakistanis always have the urge to look for the hidden news inside the propoganda sources, Indians always accept the official statements, newspaper stories and whatever makes their ego happy. Dumb people.
#34 Posted by harish_hyd on July 5, 2005 11:58:13 pm
#28 by wahi_to
[well it is certainly possible that this might be an ISI work but pakistan is trying to portray the ``secular`` image these days and this would run contrary to that ``secular`` image game.]
[of course there are folks in pakistan that would love to see India in hell but right now this action wont help pakistan.]
There are many quarters in Pakistan, prominent among them the religious right and their armed wings, terrorist groups like the LeT and JeM, that are upset by the recent peace talks between India and Pakistan. They see this as the ultimate betrayal of the Kashmiri cause by Musharraf. They would do anything to damage the peace process.
Alternately, Mushy himself could have tacitly given the go-ahead because in nearly 2 years of the peace process, India hasn`t altered its stance that there cannot be a redrawing of borders. This might be a subtle warning that if there is no progress on the Kashmir issue, then it will be back to business as usual.
[well it is certainly possible that this might be an ISI work but pakistan is trying to portray the ``secular`` image these days and this would run contrary to that ``secular`` image game.]
[of course there are folks in pakistan that would love to see India in hell but right now this action wont help pakistan.]
There are many quarters in Pakistan, prominent among them the religious right and their armed wings, terrorist groups like the LeT and JeM, that are upset by the recent peace talks between India and Pakistan. They see this as the ultimate betrayal of the Kashmiri cause by Musharraf. They would do anything to damage the peace process.
Alternately, Mushy himself could have tacitly given the go-ahead because in nearly 2 years of the peace process, India hasn`t altered its stance that there cannot be a redrawing of borders. This might be a subtle warning that if there is no progress on the Kashmir issue, then it will be back to business as usual.
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