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``wonder why these terrorists offered prayers at a TEMPLE before carrying out the attack??? ``

They did so to fool the jeep driver they had picked up into thinking they were harmless hindu devotees interested in a darshan of the ram mandir....

Re: # 13


Here ``those`` are indians or americans?
i have personal exp. with a few indians on this. I knew a person who would hate jap cars simply because most of the desis would buy toyotas/hondas. I guess he didn`t want to fit into that desi stereotype. I have seen many others badmouthing jap cars in school days but after realising the value of dal-atta preferring much dependent jap cars which have resale value.
There was a guy who once told me that he prefers german cars over japs because japs are more electrical whereas germans are more mechanical under the hood. I kept wondering how many times this guy opens the hood before driving the car. Maybe that was just an excuse to keep a distance from being branded a desi.

Raise the alarm!.Sound the bugles!.Enough of this phony peace process with pak.Fortify the fence and keep them all out.That`s the only solution.

#15 by wahi_to on July 5, 2005 12:45pm PT
plain and simple this is a BJP/RSS/VHP job.

bhaisab, indian society is kinda open..lot of media glare, powerful opposition parties etc. i can understand from your pakistani viewpoint love of conspiracy theories. after all WTC was bombed by the yahoods.

I knew a few war veterans of WW2, Korean War, and Vietnam war. One even tried to recruit me for anti Jewish group (I wore a turban at the time). He was one of those paramillitary types. The anger and rage they and their relatives have is seething and festering under that facade. Law and Order and PC, business profits refrains many from speaking or doing their mind.

Scratch the surface - and you will know what is forgotten and what is forgiven.

Re: # 15 wahi

I am not ``Sanghi`` - but will reply anyway.

If this were a VHP insider job - then that would be the ``best`` fall out. Sanghis would have just committed suicide......The worst fall out would be if any indian muslim were found to be involved. That would be really bad. But I doubt that would be the case.

Most likely it`s a paki handi-work, as usual - then the so called peace process should be toast. Because this is just the beginning of the Jihad Verision 2.0 - Visaless travel for pakis introduced by boneheads sitting in delhi has just started to deliver. Enjoy the show !!!

Re: # 20

yesterday i was watching history channel about pearl harbor. towards the end they interviewed the veterans who were there at that time. Some wanted to forget it saying the japs were just soldiers following the order. whereas some were indeed seeting with anger (after 50+ years) and would never forgive the japs for it.

Re: # 20 kaura
//...Law and Order and PC, business profits refrains many from speaking or doing their mind....//

That`s how ``forgive-but-not-forget`` works :) People focus on the positives and move on.

Understanding the islamic mentality >

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During the Islamic rule in India some of the temples were converted to mosques by the rulers. Is this acceptable in Islam?

Thus, we have mentioned the general ruling, i.e. when there is a Muslim ruler who leads Muslim armies and manages Muslims` affairs and as long as Muslims have the ability to defend themselves or to wage Jihad. But, if Muslims are weak or there is no an independent Muslim state and entity, or they live as a Muslim minority, then the Muslims` interest should be the criterion. In simple words, if it will be a good advantage for Muslims to destroy non-Muslim places of worship and build new mosques instead of them, then Muslims have to do so.

On the other hand, if such a work may lead to worse actions such as killing and destruction by fire, Muslims have to do nothing. Here, we apply the ruling that states: `Warding off an evil is preferred to getting benefit`.

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Basically the command is thus, destroy and/or desecrate non-Muslim religious sites if you can get away with it.

Mob ransacks temple in Nowshera




By Our Correspondent

NOWSHERA, Jan 29: An angry mob ransacked a temple to avenge an alleged desecration of Holy Quran by a man here, police and witnesses said. Chief Minister Mohammad Akram Khan Durrani has ordered a judicial inquiry into the incident and suspended two senior police officers. He also ordered immediate rehabilitation of the temple.

Police said that the incident took place on Tuesday evening when children playing in Lal Kurti in the Nowshera Cantonment area spotted two pieces of paper later identified as pages from a book taught to students before they start the Holy Book.

The children, however, immediately informed their elders about what they termed ‘desecration,’ triggering an angry reaction from residents. Police said that a Christian janitor, who was cleaning the rented quarters of a nurse from the Combined Military Hospital, had collected things left by the previous tenants and set them on fire, not knowing what was in it.

“I think the guy is innocent,” District Police Officer Zebullah Khan told Dawn. The 55-year-old Yusuf Masih was immediately taken into ‘safe custody’, the DPO said, recalling a tragic incident in Nowshera in April when a man was shot dead by a mob for allegedly desecrating Holy Quran.

Mr Khan said that a mob of about 300 people had gathered outside the police station where Masih had been kept , demanding that he be handed over to them. At around the same time, he said, the mob blocked the Grand Trunk Road for about an hour but dispersed peacefully after negotiations.

However, another group rushed towards a Hindu temple known as Lamba Vera Mandar and tried to set it on fire. They damaged the main door and ransacked its furniture, the DPO said. “It appeared pre-planned and premeditated,” Zebullah Khan said. Fire-fighters rushed to the place and the fire was put out before it could spread.

Deputy Superintendent of Police and SHO, Nowshera Cantonment, have been suspended and an inquiry has been ordered against them.

Minority MPAs, Felix Innocent and Gusaran Lal, met the chief minister and sought his intervention.

jehadist attacks will continue.The courage of ordinary Indians and Pakistanis who desire Peace will be tested.

The power of rational discourse will be on trial when innocent lives are lost.

Cultural baggage will come in the way of denouncing fundamantalism..Jehadi(A green band over the world) or Akhand Bharatis(Hindi,Hindu,Hindustan)..

But resist we must.Let this not break the inevitable and inexorable way of Peace.Amen.

The problem is..no one has really realized the fundamental difference between ``received`` religions and those which have simply evolved with time.Islam, Christianity,Buddhism belong to the former..a clearly and possibly historically identified Prophet, a Book or a set of teachings...and the others like Animism or Hinduism.
i propose a radical theory..that mankind is wired for spirituality as his first comprhension of the world beyond him lay in the Mystery of the Unknown.
By one means or the other,he has since been giving names that which he cannot comprehend...
and that which will remain forever incomprehensible. no matter how clever he gets.

Let us jettison labels and move on to a label less,nameless pursuit of truth and mystery and stop killing for it.

RR

Re: # 21

mohair,

well it is certainly possible that this might be an ISI work but pakistan is trying to portray the ``secular`` image these days and this would run contrary to that ``secular`` image game.

like my question is what do they benefit from it, i think this would hurt pakistan.

of course there are folks in pakistan that would love to see India in hell but right now this action wont help pakistan.

Re: # 15
Most amusing.You give way too much credit to the RSS and BJP.

Veeresh Bhai,

Glad to see u here.Me be marooned engineer,bro of hack.If you be cybersteering guru then me spot on.

Re: # 28 wahi
//....i think this would hurt pakistan....//

That`s what you think. There so many pakis you don`t share your thinking and those are people who have training, weapons, religion, money and power. They have everything they need to do what they want to do. And they are doing it. .... You have nothing - so what you think doesn`t matter.

Yes - pakistan is trying to portray the ``secular`` image these days - but you can put much lipstick on a pig - pig will continue to what the pig usually does ..... and nobody will be surprised.