Dance of the wolves

#109 Yes, we are jealous of your ``achievements`` and we will destroy you. As you know, all of us got trained for suicide bombing, be prepared to be bombed. You rightly understand that in one way or other, we are going to die, why not to wipes out the world from Indians. All Pakistanis are impressed by Arab brethren. All of them are terrorists. Infact, All Muslims are like that. There are 1.15 billion on the earth. 1.15 billion potential suicide bombers. Quran teaches us to wage Jihad and we will do it.

Our first plan is to train 100 young boys from every district at the moment for suicide bombing. It will be 100x100 = 10000 potential martyrs.

Here are our targets:

1. Indian Stock Exchanges: 100 bombers
2. Indian Metros: 100 Bombers
3. Silicon Valley: 1000 Bombers
4. IITs: 1000 bombers
5. Ayodhia: 100 Bombers
6. Indian Parliament: 100 Bombers
7 All Provincial Assemblies: 3000 bombers
8. Airports: 100 Bombers
9. Beaches with Foreigners: 500 Bombers
10. Taj mahal: 1000 Bombers
11. BJP, VHP, RSS Hedaquarters 1000 bombers
Others Important Places: 2000 Bombers

Total: 10000 Matryrs


Even if any Indian have doubts in his mind, come to my home. See my backyard where everyday we train these Mujahids. It happens at almost all places in Pakistan. Try waging a war, see yourself being destroyed.

And I know, Not a single Indian has the courage to give his life that way.


Pakistani Nuclear Arsenal is controlled by ISI. ISI is controlled by Jehadi Mullahs. Who says nuclear war is out of question. When you push your opponent to a closed way, in the end he does whatever he can. Come and have the taste of adventure.

There was a donkey who kicked a bomb. Bomb blasted and the donkey died. There is a bigger donkey named India. It often tries to kick a bomb named Pakistan. Well, we invite you to kick the bomb and see what happens.

``The LeT’s professed ideology goes beyond merely challenging India`s sovereignty over the State of Jammu and Kashmir. The Lashkar`s ‘agenda’, as outlined in a pamphlet titled Why are we waging jihad includes the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India. Further, the outfit propagates a narrow Islamist fundamentalism preached by its mentor, the MDI. It seeks to bring about a union of all Muslim majority regions in countries that surround Pakistan. Towards that end, it is active in J&K, Chechnya and other parts of Central Asia.``

LeT is a fascist organization with dirty mullahs jerking off with their ``veiled`` fantasies............it is a jamaat of illiterates whose specialization is in gun running, drug peddling, contract killing and money laundering .................

#108 by Kashmakash

Ya correct. You dont have anything to lose expect your miserable lives. Please wait till our men come and relieve you of your kashmakash. But meanwhile we want the US to reverse its approach and put the stick in your mouth and the carrot you know where.

See they hate everything, every achievement of India. Silicon valley, Stock market you name it.

US imposed sanctions on Pakistan Army in 90s. They saw the results in 2000s. Whole Pak army leadership grew out of US influence and hence caused US some embarrassing moments. US realizes it well that it will have to remain in contact with Pakistani army to build up its influence. Let it be ``Carrot and Stick`` approach but what Indians are expecting US to impose sanctions against Pakistan, it is not possible.

And Forget war. Do you wanted silicon valley to become a story of past? We, Pakistanis have nothing to lose. Indians have so manythings to lose. Come on, start a war. Bloody Indians. :))

from the South Asia Terrorism Portal


The Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), reportedly one of the largest terrorist outfits operating in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) is also suspected of involvement in the December 13, 2001 attack on India’s Parliament in New Delhi. Earlier, terrorists of the outfit had also launched an attack on the Cantonment section of the Red Fort in New Delhi on December 22, 2000. Under the Prevention of Terrorism Ordinance (POTO), the Indian government banned the LeT on October 25, 2001. The US Secretary of State Colin Powell in a notification on December 26, 2001 designated the outfit as a foreign terrorist organistation.

Formation

Formed in 1990 in the Kunar province of Afghanistan, the Lashkar-e-Toiba is the military wing of the Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad (MDI), an Islamic fundamentalist organisation of the Ahle-Hadith sect in Pakistan. The MDI is based in Muridke near Lahore, Pakistan and is headed by Prof. Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, who is also the Amir of the LeT. Its first presence in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) was recorded in 1993 when 12 Pakistani and Afghan mercenaries infiltrated across the Line of Control (LoC) in tandem with the Islami Inquilabi Mahaz, a terrorist outfit then active in the Poonch district of J&K.

Following the US notification of the outfit as a foreign terrorist organisation, which put pressure on the Pakistani government to curb overt activities of the outfit, the top leadership of MDI initiated a reshuffle of the parent outfit. Presently, the MDI claims that it has been reorganized into two independent wings- one exclusively devoted to preaching of Islam with Prof. Hafiz Muhammad Saeed as its chief and the other to carry on its violent campaign in Kashmir under the leadership of Kashmiri scholar Maulana Abdul Wahid Kashmiri.


Objectives

The Lashkar-e-Toiba was first involved in the Mujahideen resistance against Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the Nineteen Eighties and early Nineties. Subsequently, it began operations in J&K. It was actively promoted by Pakistan’s external intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), since 1996. This support was more so after another outfit, the Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA) was declared as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation by the US in 1997. The HuA was an outfit that also traces its origins to the Mujahideen movement against Soviet forces in Afghanistan. Furthermore, it was also primarily composed of Pakistani and Afghan mercenaries, followed a hard-line extremist Islamic ideology and was actively promoted by the ISI, along with other outfits, to ensure that Pakistan would have control over the Kashmir insurgency and promote its objectives. Even while promoting terrorist outfits’ such as the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM), which comprise local Kashmiri terrorists, the ISI infiltrates a considerable number of Pakistani and Afghan mercenaries in the state. This is to ensure control over the terrorist violence and promote an Islamic orthodoxy, a goal that the Pakistani state has been following since the Nineteen Seventies.

The LeT’s professed ideology goes beyond merely challenging India`s sovereignty over the State of Jammu and Kashmir. The Lashkar`s ‘agenda’, as outlined in a pamphlet titled Why are we waging jihad includes the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India. Further, the outfit propagates a narrow Islamist fundamentalism preached by its mentor, the MDI. It seeks to bring about a union of all Muslim majority regions in countries that surround Pakistan. Towards that end, it is active in J&K, Chechnya and other parts of Central Asia. The outfit had claimed that it had assisted the Taliban militia and Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda terrorist network in Afghanistan during November and December 2002 in their fight against the US aided Northern Alliance.


Leadership and Command Structure

The outfit’s headquarters was located in the MDI’s complex at Muridke near Lahore. An unconfirmed news report on December 10, 2001, citing a Lashkar spokesperson, said that the outfit had shifted its headquarters from Muridke to Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). The report quoting the outfit’s spokesperson indicated that the LeT was shifting its headquarters since it has acquired more space in Muzaffarabad. Furthermore, the report added that unnamed observers in Islamabad had claimed that LeT was forced to move its offices due to pressure from the Pakistan government. The MDI has claimed that the LeT has shifted all its facilities and offices to PoK and the outfit has formed a new General Council under the leadership of Maulana Abdul Wahid Kashmiri, with Mr. Zaki ur Rehman Lakhwi as the `Supreme Commander` within Jammu & Kashmir. Other members of the the General Council are - Mr. Abdullah of Anantnag (Islamabad) - Mr.Haji Mohammad Azam of Poonch - Mr. Muzammil Butt of Doda - Mr. Mohammad Umair of Baramullah - Mr. Chaudhri Abdullah Khalid Chauhan of Bagh - Mr. Rafiq Akhtar of Muzaffarabad - Mr. Aftab Hussain of Kotli - Mr. Faisal Dar of Srinagar - Mr. Chaudhri Yusuf of Mirpur - Mr. Maulana Mohammad Sharif Balghari of Baltistan - Mr. Raja Mohammad Irshad Advocate - Mr. Masood Lone Advocate.

Untill these new organisational changes, the organisational level of the Lashkar-e-Toiba was led by its Amir, Prof. Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and the operational chief of the outfit was reported to be ‘commander’ Saifullah, a Pakistani mercenary. Its mercenaries are organised at district levels with ‘district commanders’ in charge. Within Pakistan, the outfit has a network of training camps and branch offices, which undertake recruitment and collection of finances.


Operational Strategies

Compared to other terrorist outfits in J&K, the LeT has commanded significant attention primarily due to two reasons. First, for its well planned and executed attacks on security force (SF) targets in the State and second, for the dramatic massacres of non-Muslim civilians. After the Kargil war of May-July 1999, (when Pakistani troops and mercenaries, including those of the Lashkar, were forced to withdraw from peaks on the Indian side of the Line of Control - LoC), the outfit launched its `suicide attacks` strategy whereby small groups (2-5 members) of fidayeen (suicide squads) would storm a security force camp or base. In another frequently used strategy, groups of Lashkar mercenaries, dressed in SF fatigues, would arrive at remote hill villages, round up Hindu or Sikh civilians, and massacre them. These two strategies have been designed to achieve maximum publicity and extract public allegiance, mainly out of fear. On December 8, 2001, two LeT fidayeen managed to penetrate inside a security force convoy and opened fire killing one personnel. They were able to generate adequate confusion to escape from the convoy after the attack but were later killed in an encounter with another SF unit.

In some fidayeen attacks launched by the LeT, the terrorists entrenched themselves inside the camp, killing as many SF personnel as they could, before they were themselves killed. In one such instance, two Lashkar fidayeen stormed a SF base at Wazir Bagh in Srinagar, on March 26, 2001, and shot dead four personnel before being killed. In certain incidents, members of the squad are reported to have successfully fled after the initial attack. Such was the case at Mendhar in Rajouri district, on December 16, 2000 as also at Mahore, Udhampur district, on November 5, 2000.

The Lashkar-e-Toiba, according to a news report of December 17, 2001, was responsible for 35 of the 42 such suicide attacks carried out since 1999. More than the number of casualties of the security forces, it is the psychological impact of these attacks that has led to the Lashkar gaining widespread attention. Furthermore, this is also due to the security forces’ resort to extensive use of heavy fire, destroying their own buildings in the process, and causing deaths of their own personnel in friendly fire in each of the attacks.

LeT cadres, unlike other terrorists, are known to prefer death in an encounter with the security forces rather than be arrested. For instance, in 1997, the largest group of terrorists killed in clashes with the security forces belonged to the Lashkar-e-Toiba. The levels of Islamist orthodoxy of the Lashkar cadre is characterised by a level of brutality, which surpasses that of all other Pakistan-sponsored terrorist outfits active in J&K. Majority of the massacres of unarmed Hindus and Sikhs between March 1997 and October 2001 have reportedly been carried out by the LeT. One instance is the cold-blooded murder of 23 persons in Wandhama on January 23, 1988. A second instance is the June 19, 1998, massacre in which 25 members of a wedding party in Doda, Jammu were killed. The extreme level of cold-blooded brutality, which sets Lashkar-e-Toiba apart from other terrorist outfits that operate/d in Kashmir before, is evident in the Wandhama massacre, where children as young as one year old were murdered along with women and defenceless men.


Area of Operation

While the primary area of operations of the Lashkar-e-Toiba’s terrorist activities is the Kashmir valley, the outfit is also active in the Jammu region besides having undertaken isolated attacks in other parts of India. The Lashkar is reported to have conducted several of its major operations in tandem with the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. The Kashmiri cadre of the HM provide vital knowledge of the ground conditions in the target zone, while the highly trained and motivated LeT mercenaries undertake the attack. This was also the strategy during the August 25, 2000 massacre, when a Hizb terrorist acted as a guide for a Lashkar group, which massacred 35 Sikhs at Chattisinghpora in Anantang district.

The LeT was also reported to have been directed by the ISI to widen its network in the Jammu region where a considerable section of the populace comprised Punjabis. The LeT that has a large number of activists who hail from Pakistani Punjab can thus effectively penetrate into Jammu society.

News reports, citing security forces, said that the latter suspect that in the December 13, 2001 attack on India’s Parliament in New Delhi, a joint group from the LeT and the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) were involved. The LeT was also held responsible by the government for the December 23, 2000 attack in Red Fort, New Delhi. LeT cadres have also been arrested from different cities of India. On May 27, a LeT terrorist was arrested from Hajipur in Gujarat. On August 15, 2001, a LeT terrorist was arrested from Bhatinda in Punjab. The LeT has also built contacts with other Islamist extremist and terrorist outfits active in India. An arrested activist of the proscribed Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), is reported to have confessed during interrogation on August 21, 2001, that two LeT terrorists had held discussions with SIMI’s Malegaon unit in Mumbai on August 6, 2001 to carry out subversive activities in the State of Maharashtra.


External Linkages

The Lashkar-e-Toiba was created to participate in the Mujahideen conflict against the Najibullah regime in Afghanistan. In the process, the outfit developed deep linkages with Afghanistan and has several Afghan nationals in its cadre. The outfit had also cultivated links with the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan and also with Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network. Even while refraining from openly displaying these links, the LeT office in Muridke was reportedly used as a transit camp for third country recruits heading for Afghanistan. A news report in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks in USA has indicated that that the outfit provides terrorists for the outer circle of bin Laden’s personal security.

The outfit collects donations from the Pakistani community in the Persian Gulf and United Kingdom, Islamic Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs), and Pakistani and Kashmiri businessmen. The amount of LeT funding is unknown. The LeT maintains ties to various religious/military groups around the world, ranging from the Philippines to the Middle East and Chechnya primarily through the MDI fraternal network.

Reports also indicate that the LeT receives considerable financial, material and other forms of assistance from the Pakistan government, routed primarily through the ISI. Pakistan’s security agencies are reported to be providing training to the outfit. A December 13, 2001 news report cited a LeT spokesperson as saying that the outfit wanted to avoid a clash with the Pakistani Government. He claimed, even though the government has been an ardent supporter of all Muslim freedom movements, particularly that of Kashmir, in the present conditions a clash was possible because of the sudden wedge that appeared between the interests of the government and those of terrorist outfits active in J&K.

The Pakistan Army, particularly in the borders with India (the International Border and the Line of Control - LoC) also aids members of the outfit in their infiltration, exfiltration and clashes with Indian security forces near the borders by providing covering fire.

The LeT has also been part of the Bosnian campaign against the Serbs.

The Markaz campus at Muridke in Lahore, its headquarters, was used as a hide-out for Ramzi Yousef and Mir Aimal Kansi, who was convicted and sentenced to death for killing two Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officers outside the CIA’s headquarters in Washington in January 1993.

So what is the betting ?

How long before full scale hostilities break out?

This has been the longest time of overt peace between India and Pakistan. Otherwise there has been an overt war between the two every 5 years or so till 1971. (Forget the small skirmishes and Kargil was just a small tea party compared to the previous wars).

Both sides are itching for a fight. Is there going to be one? Would it be the final war to settle matters?

(Forget nuclear weapons - neither will use them, they dont have the guts to do so, and they really dont come into the equation - the war if it comes will be entirely conventional).

These acts prove the point that Paki Jehadis are actually enemies of IM...they want to make it appear as if the IM are in deadly armed conflict with other communities and the TNT is very much alive and kicking.................they want to prove that TNT is right because its predictions about the IM-s has not come true and now they want to prove that now the IM-s are ``retaliating`` back with much power.........................this is actually the act of the Paki Deen-e-Fasaad jamaat which is being supported by that rascal called Musharaff.


And the significance of Advani shaking hands with Maulana Samiul Haq who is known for his support to the jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir is not to be lost in the context. These two thrive on each other........Advani loves TNT because it helps him dangle the Akhand Bharat threat before the IM-s.
Let us not forget the fact that the RSS and BJP is going to gain the most from this ``atttack`` ........ and the LeT is going to win elections in Pakistan!!

``The Hindutva parties will once again talk about no peace talks with Pakistan.
Don’t. We the people did not ask you to. That was not in your manifesto when you were voted to power. It was not in anyone’s manifesto. We know that all treacle is sticky. ``

well said...................

#103 by burpinder

This has nothing to do with Indian muslims. They just chose Ayodhya over Kalighat, Kashi, Somnath, Tirupati, Siddhivinayak temple etc.

Basically, they hate our freedom. Our free society and our democracy. They hate India just as they hate America. They wont willingly kill Indian muslims but if it happens then its the will of Allah. Like in Iraq where both occupying and resistance forces treat the civilians as collateral damage. Suicide bombing is a faith in itself.

#101 explains a lot.

I was wondering what Pakistan has to gain by meddling in what is essentially an Indian Muslim problem, viz. Ayodhya. So far, regardless of what some Gujju tailor told his colleague in Farzana`s presence, nobody seriously believes that LeT or that bunch of loons has the widespread IM support. While steering clear of such sweeping statements as ``No IM has been ever linked to anti-India activities``(bullshit!), the fact remains that most IMs are just happy to continue living their normal day to day lives in a society made up largely of Hindus, who for the most part are tolerant and don`t meddle in their lives or toss pig carcasses into their backyards.

But trivialising a terrorist attack on a site that is undoubtedly ``sensitive`` is unwise, in my opinion. I also beg to differ with the author about her view that we should **only** mourn this incident for the loss of life that took place. Does that mean that we should tolerate terrorist attacks provided the attackers spare lives and only destroy property? How silly is that!

Re: # 101

It`s time our PM gave Pak an ultimatum.Hand over terrorists or get rid of them or WE INVADE.Like Vajpayee got the army rolling after the parliament attack, and Bush took notice and called his lackey in Pak to crack down on terrorists.I just saw the PM on tv ,departing for Gleneagles for the G-8 summit.I hope he has a long talk with Bush about Pak.For once i want to see Manmohan put his foot down, so to speak.

It`s out now. The attackers were Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1161887.cms

excerpts:

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Tuesday’s Ayodhya attack is a deadly reminder of Lashkar-e-Toiba’s core ideology — it goes well beyond opposing India’s sovereignty in Jammu and Kashmir.

According to the South Asia Terrorism Portal, the Lashkar’s agenda, as outlined in a pamphlet titled, ‘Why Are We Waging Jihad’, includes the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India.
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It`s clear that it`s not about J&K. Just their plain hatred for the `Other`. They`ve attacked the Parliament. Now they`re attacking hindu religious places. Next they`ll be suicide bombing kindergarten kids. Nothing is off for these crazed islamic terrorists. If Pakistan is sincere about peace then they stop exporting terrorism into India.

pox be on the two houses ........ not fit to live in a civilised world. The G8 should spend some of their money in transporting the people of these countries to some other planet like say pluto or land them on the comet. This way the civilised people on earth can have some peace and more land to live on. As it is they are the least productive in the whole darned world

Re: # 97, Ana, thank you for your kind words and display on mastery of English. I mean, what brand new swear words!! Do you know some in Latin too?

No?

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The whole concept of being an arsehole/asshole and simultaneously buggering off, as advised by you, makes me think of an interesting permutation but then, sadly, dear lady, I am disinclined.

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On to business!

Here I quote from your interact: . . . (Ana says) . . . ```` why just the hindus? why haven`t we asked why farzana hasn`t written about the christians, another minority, who has been attacked in india.````

Now is that or is that not a whine about Christians in India?

But that is also not the issue, everybody and their Sainted Aunts are eligible to whine about everybody else in India, that`s called democracy. So, whine away about Christians in India, or animists in Ghana. (Just don`t say bad things about the Saudis, though, for now.)

What I am saying, Ana, is that the little issue about places of worship being guarded is nt specific to India alone.

(Yes, I heard about the electronic swipe cards in Umreeka . . .)

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And about the arsehole bit, I have a friend who is a gastro surgeon with an amazing sense of humour . . .

TRIVIAL? I DON`T THINK ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS ATTACK OR ITS POSSIBLE REPURCUSSIONS AS TRIVIAL.

THIS ATTACK ON THE RAM JANMABHOOMI COMPLEX HAS BROUGHT NEW POTENTIAL TO INCREASE COMMUNAL TENSIONS. BUT A FULL-FLEDGED RIOT? I DON`T THINK SO.

INCREASED SECURITY OF RELIGIOUS PLACES IS ESSENTIAL; THERE ARE CHANCES OF SUCH ATTACKS AND MOREOVER, WITH THE SAFFRON ALLIANCE THINKING OF CALLING A BANDH........... PREVENTION IS MUCH BETTER.

YES, THERE IS DEFINETELY A FRAGILITY IN PEACE IN INDIA, BUT THEN, IF IT WEREN`T SO, THE ATTACK WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.

THIS ATTACK HAS OPENED FRESH WOUNDS:- GOOD CHANCES FOR POLITICIANS TO PLAY THEIR GAME.

IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THESE POLITICAL PARTYS (AND I MEAN BOTH THE CONGRESS AND THE B.J.P.) THIS ISSUE WOULD HAVE BEEN QUIETLY SETTLED BY THE COURT.

VOTEBANK POLITICS? THE LAST THREE ELECTIONS IN INDIA HAD THIS AS THE PRINCIPAL ISSUE. (MORE OR LESS.) HADN`T RAJIV GANDHI REVIVED THIS ISSUE TO APPEASE THE HINDUS? THE SAFFRON ALLIANCE WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PLAY THE DEMOLITION SQUAD. THIS A MAJOR FLAW OF THE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THE TERRORIST GROUPS ARE FRUSTRATED DUE TO THE CHANGING CONDITIONS IN KASHMIR. THEY ARE TARGETTING THE INDIAN HEARTLAND AND SENSITIVE AREAS THERE.

OBIVIOSLY, THERE IS ANIMOSITY AMONG THE HINDUS AGAINST THE MUSLIMS. STILL, THERE IS SOME AMOUNT OF SENSE IN THE GENERAL SECTION OF THE POPULATION; OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MIDST OF ANOTHER RIOT.
PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THIS ISSUE, IT HAS BEEN DRAGGED FOR TOO LONG.

I THINK THE SAFFRON ALLIANCE IS BUSY UTILISING THE OPPURTUNITY TO TRY TO MEND ESTRANGED AND BROKEN TIES. OTHERWISE, THE SITUATION IN INDIA WILL REMAIN MORE OR LESS THE SAME, UNLESS SOME FOOL GETS ANOTHER TERRIFIC IDEA IN HIS HEAD.........

veeresh,

if you could stop being an arsehole for at least once in your blessed life. . . you would realize that i was not whining about christians from india or pakistan. when i spoke of christians from india i did that to make a point to the person who says that farzana is not a balanced writer. not to bemoan their status in india. and when i write of pakistani christians, it is not because i whine as a bloomin` minority. it is because pakistani christians have for the most part, little to no recourse for justice, unlike the indian christians. do you get my drift, veeresh? because i really do not wish to read the words out of your fingertips about how badly i whine about freedom in pakistan when you, sir, have written plenty of what freedom in pakistan is like from your own ``unbiased`` point of view.

i will most bloody speak about christians in pakistan in terms of injustice as long as there are laws that do not protect them. and it is NOT whining. it is about bloody time. and if you want to accuse me of victimization, you can stand in line with all those pakistanis you don`t like and your indian counterparts and while you`re at it, you can bugger off.

thank you.

Re: # 77
I wish the *itch WOULD make a bee-line for Pak.Good riddance to BAD rubbish!.