London’s Hour of Reckoning

Re: # 236

You didn`t believe me did ya??.I try.Get outta there before you get lynched.I don`t feel sympathy for the paks or the brits.Both are scum that deserve each other.I make individual exceptions.So, take my warning and run with it.To quote you``Salim Agabey wait and see how the so-called “Mighty” will tumble.``.Who are you talkin` about?.hehe.

It is such an irony that the London Bombers were all of Pakistani origin. It was the brits who were responsible for supporting the Pakistan movement and creating Pakistan in 1947 thinking they had kicked the a$$ of disloyal hindus. Now it is the same brits who are bing targeted by muslims. In reality, the brits created a cesspool that is now producing some of the worst terrorists in this world, who are going to UK and and other countries to further their agenda of hate.

This is from ``Nation`` another Pakistani newspaper

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UK Police swoops on South Asians

From Asif Mehmood
LONDON - Britain’s anti-terrorist police investigating the London tube and bus bombings Tuesday raided five houses in West Yorkshire besides launching a massive crackdown on illegal immigrants in Manchester in which 40 people were arrested.
West Yorkshire includes former industrial hubs such as Leeds and Bradford with large Muslim populations of south Asian origin. Britain’s domestic Press Association said at least one of the raids was in Leeds.
British Immigration Police are conducting string of raids in different cities including Stockport, Oldham, Old Trafford and Ratchdel. They are also checking the documents of those permit holders who are working illegally in companies where they are unauthorised to work. As per law, people found working illegally are counted as illegal immigrants and hence deported immediately.
According to immigration sources they are in search of such persons who are working illegally after the expiry of their visa and permits. Information is being obtained from Britain’s Inland Revenue Department in this regard. It is to be noted the areas facing crackdown are mostly inhabited by Pakistanis.
The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, said the operation was “directly connected” to the attacks last week. “There have been a series of searches carried out in Yorkshire. Those searches are still going on. There’s very little else I can say at the moment, but this activity is directly connected to the outrages on Thursday,” he told BBC London. The raids began at around 6.30am and are believed to have taken place at five houses in the Leeds area. They are the first to be carried out in Britain in connection with the bombings, but follow warnings from intelligence and anti-terrorism officials that those responsible could strike again.
Police are examining the theory that the bombers could have been on an “away day”, arriving in the capital to plant the devices and then fleeing. It is also suggested the bombers could have met at King’s Cross (where trains from Leeds to London terminate) as all three tube trains which were hit had passed through there.
No one has been arrested, but the searches were continuing at all five houses this morning. Police cordoned off a white semi-detached house in Colwyn Road, a quiet residential street in the Beeston area of Leeds. A red Volkswagen car parked directly outside the house was also cordoned off.
Around 20 uniformed police officers, unmarked police vehicles and police vans were at the scene. A section of Tempest Road, which runs parallel to Colwyn Road, was also sealed off. One neighbour, who declined to be named, told The Nation she was surprised to wake up and see so many police officers and vans from her bedroom window. “I got up about 8.30am and the police were all outside. Someone said they had been here since 7am,” she said. “We don’t get any trouble in this road. It’s pretty quiet for the area really but we just don’t know what is going on. “It’s hard to tell exactly which house the police are apparently searching but I don’t think I know them. It’s a bit of a shock really.”
Scotland Yard has launched its biggest ever manhunt to catch those responsible for Thursday’s bombings. Extensive CCTV footage is being looked at and more than 1,700 people have called an anti-terrorist hotline since the attack, some providing specific information which police hope will lead to a breakthrough. Hundreds of extra officers have been drafted in to assist the inquiry, which is being led by the London Metropolitan’s anti-terrorist branch. Officers from West Yorkshire police are also involved in today’s operation.
A police spokeswoman said: “This morning in a pre-planned intelligence-led operation, Metropolitan police officers supported by West Yorkshire police officers carried out search warrants issued under the Terrorism Act at four residential premises in West Yorkshire and are currently at a fifth address.”
BOMBER WAS ON LONDON BUS
Agencies add: The bomber responsible for last week’s explosion on a London double-decker bus was believed to be among the 13 people killed on board, a discovery that led to raids Tuesday in Leeds, a northern city with a strong Muslim community, news reports said.
In a key development in the investigation into the terror attacks that killed at least 52 people, British soldiers blasted their way into a modest Leeds row house to search for explosives and computers. Streets were cordoned off and about 500 people were evacuated. Hours earlier, police searched five residences elsewhere in the city.
Meanwhile, a Pakistani man was killed in a suspected racial attack in the central English city of Nottingham, police said on Tuesday, amid fears that such assaults could increase in the wake of last week’s bombings in London.
Pakistani national Kamal Raza Butt died Sunday, three days after the London bombings, and the attack was “being investigated as a racially-aggravated incident,” a Nottinghamshire Police spokesman told AFP, adding that six youths arrested Monday were in custody and being questioned.
Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, linked Butt’s death to Thursday’s attacks on three London subway trains and a double-decker bus which killed at least 52 and left hundreds injured.
Prime Minister Tony Blair has associated the bombings with Islamist Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda terror network — the group behind the September 11 attacks in the United States in 2001.
Several mosques in Britain have had windows smashed or have been targeted by suspected arsonists since Thursday.
“There does appear to be a backlash taking place,” said Bunglawala.
“Up until the weekend no-one had been seriously injured but the weekend’s murder in Nottingham makes it far more serious.”
“We are in touch with the police over this,” he added. “They suspect it was racially motivated but they are not confirming whether it was anything to do with last week’s attacks.
Butt, 48, who was born in Pakistan, had been staying in Nottingham with a friend for around six weeks, police said. He was apparently assaulted shortly after he left a neighbourhood shop.
The man collapsed unconscious and was pronounced dead on arrival at hospital.
“Unless something comes along that links the events in London and this event, then we will treat it as an isolated incident,” said Nottinghamshire Police superintendent Dave Colbeck.
“From the inquiries we have made in the area, it leads us to believe we should investigate it as a racist attack.”
Four suspects identified
AFP adds - Police declared their first arrest Tuesday as the pieces began to fall together in a fast-moving investigation into the bombings.
They said they believed they had identified four suspects over the bombings and that it was “very likely” one of the men who carried out the attacks last Thursday was among the dead.
London’s Metropolitan Police held back from saying that the blasts were the work of suicide bombers.
But it emerged that the operation was highly coordinated, with four prime suspects — as yet unnamed — having travelled together to the unsuspecting British capital on the morning of the rush-hour blasts.
“The investigation quite early led us to have concerns about the movement and activities of four men, three of whom came from the West Yorkshire area,” said the head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist squad, Peter Clarke.
“We are trying to establish their movements in the run-up to last week’s attack and specifically to establish whether they all died in the explosions,” Clarke told reporters.
He added that it was “very likely” that one of the suspects was among those who died in one of the bombed Underground trains, near Aldgate station in east London.
Clarke said the “complex and intensive” investigation was “moving at great speed”, following raids on six premises in the industrial city of Leeds, in the north of England, home to a large Muslim population of south Asian origin.
Police evacuate station, action linked to bombings
Police evacuated a railway station and car park in Luton, northwest of London, to carry out a controlled explosion on a vehicle with suspected links to last week’s bombings in the capital, police said Tuesday.
“The Metropolitan Police who are here examining a vehicle parked in the railway car park have carried out a controlled explosion in relation to that vehicle,” a Bedfordshire Police spokeswoman said.
“That was done about 3:50 pm (1450 GMT) and the rest of the examination continues. The cordon remains in place but I expect it will be in place for some time yet.”
A 100-metre (100-yard) cordon was placed around the train station, which was shut to the public several hours after police launched raids on a number of premises in Leeds, northern England.

propaganda in Pakistani newspapers is amazing. No mention of Pakistani origins of the suspected bombers !!!

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London bombers identified


LONDON, July 12: Police identified four men on Tuesday whom they suspected of carrying out last week’s London bombings, raising the prospect that western Europe may have suffered its first suicide attack.

Police said it was ‘very likely’ that one suspect had died in the blasts on London’s transport network, which killed at least 52 people and injured 700, and were trying to work out if all four bombers had blown themselves up deliberately.

If they did, it would be the first time that suicide bombers, who have wreaked carnage from the streets of New York to Israel and Iraq, have struck in western Europe.

The British government has already said last Thursday’s attacks bear the hallmark of militants loyal to the Al Qaeda movement.

“The investigation quite early led us to have concerns about the movements and activities of four men, three of whom came from the West Yorkshire area,” said Peter Clarke, head of the anti-terrorist branch of London’s Metropolitan Police.

“We are trying to establish their movements in the run-up to last week’s attacks, and specifically to establish whether they all died in the explosions.”

He said police had found personal documents with the names of three suspects close to the scene of three of the blasts.

One of the suspects probably died in the blast at Aldgate Underground (subway) station, Mr Clarke said.

NEW LEVEL OF THREAT: Alex Standish, editor of Jane’s Intelligence Digest, said that if the suicide bombing theory was confirmed, Britain — accustomed in recent decades to bombings by the nationalist Irish Republican Army — would have crossed a new threshold.

“This is a new level of radicalization for the United Kingdom,” he said. “Suicide bombings are commonly accepted to be the most dangerous and difficult to thwart.”

Seven prime suspects in last year’s Madrid train bombings blew themselves up three weeks after the attacks when surrounded by police in a flat in a suburb of the Spanish capital.

But if the London attacks are confirmed as suicide bombings, it would be the first time in western Europe that militants have blown themselves up to inflict mass civilian casualties.

The four men travelled to London on the day of the blasts and were recorded on closed-circuit television carrying rucksacks at King’s Cross rail station shortly before 0730 GMT, police said.

Three bombs exploded within 50 seconds of each other at 0750 GMT on subway trains that had all passed through King’s Cross. A fourth exploded 57 minutes later on a bus not far away.

HOUSES SEARCHED: The revelations came on a day of rapid developments. Police searched six houses in and around the northern English city of Leeds, including the homes of three of the four suspects.

One man, a relative of one of the suspects, was arrested. Police seized materials that they said might be explosives.

Some 500 people were evacuated from red-brick terraced streets in a largely rundown, racially mixed area of the city of 715,000 people.

Its Muslim population of around 30,000 is one of the largest in Britain, and in May 2001, it was one of several northern towns that saw rioting between south Asian and white youths blamed on ethnic, religious and racial divisions.

Police said they had also seized a vehicle in a car park in Luton, another town with a large Muslim population near London, which they believed was linked to the attacks.

“I have to tell you that this investigation is moving at great speed,” Mr Clarke said.

The raids came amid growing frustration at what many grieving relatives feel is slow progress in formally identifying the victims of the bombings.

By Tuesday afternoon, authorities had named just three of the dead. Two more had been formally identified but their names had not been released.

In contrast, during the Madrid bombings last year, forensic scientists had identified about 50 bodies by the end of the day of the attacks.

After a wave of public scorn and indignation, the US Air Force rescinded an order banning its personnel at two air bases in Britain from visiting London in the wake of the bombings.

London police chief Ian Blair had urged the Americans to reverse their decision as British authorities had been telling people to return to work and normality.

PARLIAMENT SCARE: A security alert led police to seal the entrances and exits to Britain’s parliament on Tuesday.

The scare was one of many in the British capital since Thursday. All have so far proved to be false alarms. —Reuters

and so, it seems the bombers were (hopefully we can speak of them in the past tense) from the Pakistani community in UK (per BBC).

BBC news item


Dawn reported the same news, but carefully took away references to the fact that police identified them as Pakistani-Brits.



And there is a backlash

Re: # 222

Salim/Mike kardes nasil siniz ? Turkiye de mi yasadiniz ?

Salim bracing it is to see a Turkish brother gracing the cyber-world of Chowk. Unlike many of the contemptible lackeys like Hamid M, your uplifting non-biased interacts resonate with brainpower and objectivity. Hope to see your insights pulverize goons like Temporal to the core during the coming weeks/months.

Salim Kardesh many people see you and I as being blessed with “one identity”- They are right. We are unflinching in our unison against their ethnic bigotry and racial wrath.

Salim you and I will irk every interact they render and make their lovely little lives “slightly” tougher. Salim Agabey wait and see how the so-called “Mighty” will tumble.

It is not a question of if.

But when.

Little do Hamid M and Temporal realise the justice that awaits their fate.....

Salim brother are you ready to give these virtual humpty dumpties a bumpy ride ?

Except this time there will be no fences.....

Re: # 230

Dear Ana

A thread of commonality between us: a robust-rooted respect for Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. My ideational penchant is not dissimilar to her political leaning: Let us not grace nor glorify these bombers with a cause. WHAT HAPPENED IN LONDON IS tangential shallow malevolence.

Their studied and calculated slay butchered hundreds and left over 50 in the dim and murky corridors of death and despair.

Their merciless misdirection will be dealt its kinetic Karma in due course.

Ana my lamentation is quite a different one:

As Scores of people drown in mourning

Communal hatred

builds brews and bastardizes e-forums

This Thursday London will have

Two ``minutes of silence`` to remember its dead.

all over the land a liniment will swell

a compound of homilies, witless assertions,

political bombast will resound

Yet Chowkies are always easily aroused to intemperate judgements

Whilst Very few posit meaningful actions

While the amalgam of blindless Anti-islamic sermonizing

Takes its toll

arjun:

i wrote a post to you on your UP thread you opened about the bombers. i`d appreciate a response from you. either there, or here.

#230 by ana on July 12, 2005 4:17pm PT


the muslim council of britain is considering holding a protest against these bomb attacks,


the main focus of their protest will be how London wouldn`t have been bombed if (insert item on jihadi wishlist here) had been given to the jihadis....

kaurasach #227

{{``What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith. ... I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet,`` he said.}}

We’ve already heard such words on Chowk (“If you were in my presence I would strike off your head [for blaspheming against the Holy Prophet]”). In any case, there are clear precedents for such actions in the traditions of the life of the Messenger of God. He is said to have openly condoned the murders of the aged Abu Afak and the satirical poetess Asma bint Marwan. So there.

Now that the identities of the homicide bombe.. – sorry, glorious martyrs in the way of Allah - are becoming known, it’s time to declare that their actions are completely in accord with Islam. The Religion of Peace and Justice doesn’t permit the targeting of innocents; the freelance mujahid is only allowed to target non-innocent people. The citizens of a democracy elect their leaders and are therefore jointly and individually responsible for the actions of their governments; consequently, they cannot be regarded as innocent noncombatants. It is wholly legitimate for some British-Pakistanis to blow four dozen Londoners to kingdom come to force British forces to withdraw from Iraq. The frontlines in that war are everywhere and nowhere.

yasmin alibhai-brown is right at least when she says these murderers don`t give a damn about iraq. they don`t give a damn about much when it comes to human life. i can`t get the rest of her article because i don`t subscribe to the independent. but as more and more bodies are identified, and the missing are found dead, i feel nothing but sadness for those who have been in agony, and shame and anger for those young men who`ve been identified to be the perpetrators.

the muslim council of britain is considering holding a protest against these bomb attacks, but protests are never enough. they have to go beyond this. . . beyond inter-faith and inter-community. . . it is time to go intra-community as well.

arjun: this really isn`t the time or the moment for sarcasm or i told you sos. nobody has to wear t-shirts with any flags.

URGENT MESSAGE to Pakis and Bangladeshis in the UK: Wear t-thirts with Indian flags if you want to be safe </sarcasm>

London bombs `were first British suicide attacks`

At least three of the bombers are believed to have been British males of Pakistani origin who lived in West Yorkshire. Detectives are still unsure about the identity of the fourth bomber.

Neighbour Sara Aziz, 28, a mother of two children, said the couple had not been there for more than a year. She said the man was aged about 29, while his wife was several years younger. She said the couple originally came from Pakistan but had moved from Leeds.

LATEST NEWS - Just in…………

London bombers `were all British`

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676577.stm

After a day of intensive police activity, detectives say at least one of four suspected London bombers died in last week`s Tube and bus blasts.
Security sources said it was likely three men whose belongings were found at the scenes are dead - there is a question mark about the fourth bomber.
Explosives were found in Leeds and Luton after a series of dawn raids.
The BBC`s Frank Gardner said it was unlikely the men - who police believe were all British - acted alone.
He said the bombers - one of whom is thought to be as young as 19 - must have had assistance ``from outside``, perhaps from an expert who would have left the country before the bombs went off.
The men were captured on CCTV arriving together in London by train.

At least three of the suspects are believed to be British men of Pakistani origin who lived in West Yorkshire.

Police said they had arrested a relative of one of the four suspects in Yorkshire and taken them to London for questioning.

Breakthrough
Four bombs - three on the London Underground and one on a bus in Tavistock Square in the city centre - killed at least 52 people on Thursday.
Sir Iqbal Sacranie of the Muslim Council of Britain said they had received the latest news from the police with ``anguish, shock and horror``.
He said: ``It appears our youth have been involved in last week`s horrific bombings against innocent people.
``While the police investigation continues we reiterate our absolute commitment and resolve to helping the police bring to justice all involved in this crime of mass murder. Nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers.``
The breakthrough in the anti-terror investigation came after a day of raids in West Yorkshire and the seizure of a car at Luton rail station.
The raids, which began at 0630BST, centred on two properties in Dewsbury and four in Leeds.
They were carried out after the discovery on Monday night of CCTV images showing the four men at King`s Cross station just before 0830BST on the day of the attacks.
The images showed the men, who had boarded a Thameslink train at Luton, carrying rucksacks.
Explosives were later found in the car at Luton, where experts carried out five controlled explosions as a cordon was erected around the station.
Police removed the explosives from the vehicle and were expected to destroy them later on Tuesday night.
A second car believed to be linked to the attacks was found at Leighton Buzzard, 10 miles (16km) west of Luton.
Bedfordshire Police were examining it after receiving a tip-off from the Metropolitan Police. They refused to say exactly where the car was found.
Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the searches, carried out under the Terrorism Act, were intelligence-led and ``directly connected`` to last week`s attacks.
There is no identity for the fourth bomber and police do not know if his remains are at the King`s Cross blast site or if he has fled.
Head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch Peter Clarke said documents identifying three of the men were found near three blast sites.
Three of the four men were from the West Yorkshire area, said Mr Clarke.
His colleague, assistant commissioner Andy Hayman, said: ``I want to conclude by making it absolutely clear that no-one should be in any doubt the work last Thursday is that of extremists and criminals.
``No-one should smear or stigmatise any community with these acts.``
Following developments on Tuesday he described the investigation as ``complex and intensive`` and ``moving at great speed``.
Police said there was forensic evidence that one of the bombers died in the Aldgate explosion.
Property belonging to one of the suspects from West Yorkshire, who was reported missing by his family just after 10am on Thursday, was found on the devastated bus.
Police have established that man was joined on his journey to London by three other men.
The second man`s property was found at the scene of the Aldgate blast and the third man`s belongings at both the Aldgate and Edgware Road blasts.
Mr Clarke said: ``We are trying to establish their movements in the run up to last week`s attacks and specifically to establish if they all died in the explosions.``
Eleven victims of the blasts have now been formally identified.
One inquest has been opened and adjourned, that of Susan Levy, 53, from Hertfordshire.
Eight more will be opened on Wednesday, including those of Jamie Gordon, 30, and Phillip Russell, 29, who were named on Tuesday.
A further two inquests will open on Thursday.
Police are asking for anyone with information on the bombs to contact their anti-terrorist hotline on 0800 789 321.

The Muslim extremist on trial in the slaying of filmmaker Theo van Gogh confessed Tuesday, saying he was driven by religious conviction. ``I don`t feel your pain,`` he told the victim`s mother.

Mohammed Bouyeri stunned the courtroom when, in the final minutes of his two-day trial he declared: ``If I were released and would have the chance to do it again ... I would do exactly the same thing.``

``What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith. ... I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet,`` he said.

At one point, he addressed the victim`s mother, Anneke, who was sitting in the public gallery. ``I have to admit I don`t have any sympathy for you,`` he said. ``I can`t feel for you because I think you`re a nonbeliever.``

#222 Mr. Salim,

So, like Khalifa Haroon al-Rashid you too walk the streets in disguise in order to see what the arab street (or the desi chowk) has to say about things. :-)