London’s Hour of Reckoning

# 491 ``I too like Sikhism for its simplicity. Only complicated thing about the religion is maintaining hair. Makes it a bit cumbersome``

Hairs are becoming optional whether conservative sikhs like it or not :)

premwalla:

``As long as you remove the Islam-inspired thread of violence that seems to permeate throughout Sikh history :)``

It was not inspired by Islam but bigotry. One of the first two disciples of Guru Nanak was a Muslim :-)

#494 by mohar11 {``And they did it again. CNN reports more bombs today.``}

Hi Mohaor. And to think some people want to put subways (undergrounds, metros) in Lahore and Karachi. It`s like opening a bank in Jesse James` hometown. :)
Salim

Re: # 470

Interesting Speculation.

So can we speculate OBL is just a dummy , and Bush and Co masterminded the 9/11
for obvious objectives, with a foot Note based on Mr ferozk theory about how ARABs have created Cusions or Circles of Islamic Influence around Arabia, thus hinting at a tacit
hand-in-hand approach by the Saud`s Monarchy regarding whats happening in the Current ERA .

Note Since Mr Feroz is very particular about him , when refered in any post, I must say
These are Not Mr Feroz`s word, all my own, and represent What I understood From
Mr Feroz`s post . and My Understanding could be faulty..

...Except that..... If it could be speculated that OBL is quiet because of a direct threat to Mecca being evaporated, It can also be speculted that OBL is actually playing the American GAME with the Muslims around the world.


Pure speculation of course...

Dost Mittar #491, {``Lesson: Tolerance and nobility has to be combined with strength. Answer? Sikhism :) ``}

As long as you remove the Islam-inspired thread of violence that seems to permeate throughout Sikh history :)
Salim

And they did it again. CNN reports more bombs today.

An article by me on the London bombings and aftermath:

http://faithfreedom.org/oped/BKisan50721.htm

Muslim leader Issue FATWA against terrorism

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4694441.stm


Is this the Beggining of catharsis....????

palam1-9:

As you know I hold no brief for RSS and their fellow-travellers. But what is also undeniable is that tolerance and nobility did not prevent others from walking all over Buddhism and even Hinduism in Afghanistan, India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Lesson: Tolerance and nobility has to be combined with strength. Answer? Sikhism :)

Re: # 491 I too like Sikhism for its simplicity. Only complicated thing about the religion is maintaining hair. Makes it a bit cumbersome.

Re: # 486 That was profound!

Re: # 488 You are right. These RSS wallahs want to make rock climbing a `arena sport` if you allow me to borrow your metaphor. In trying to fight a demon they have grown horns of their own. Imagine a beautiful woman with horns.

dost mittar: actually the use of the english language in the mosque would be an interesting continuation of a long standing british tradition started by John Wycliffe in the 14th century: He led a team of colleagues at Oxford to translate the Bible from Latin to English. This was 200 years before Martin Luther in Germany, the man officially credited with the christian reformation.

The reaction of the christian priesthood at that time was even more violent than that of the muslim clerics - they actually exhumed Wycliffe`s body and burnt it on the assumption that now his soul would not go to heaven. But ultimately, common sense carried the day - and the King James version of the Bible in english was introduced anyway a century or so after Wycliffe`s death.

#481 by dost-mittar on July 20, 2005 7:04am PT


but it would be foolish to claim that it did not exacerbate it.


No more than unattractiveness of a rapist exacerbates rape

An interesting article by Madeline Bunting in today`s Dawn:
http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/20/int9.htm

``The object of their scrutiny — the chairman singled this out as a mark of accepting their responsibility — was not British foreign policy, but their faith. What do the Quranic verses about jihad really mean? How can extremists misinterpret them? And the imam, Abu Muntasir, patiently tried to answer — it’s been a failure of our scholars, a failure of our teachers. The harshness of the self-criticism was painful to hear: this was a community flagellating itself.``

ferozk:

I think that you can see the difference between the American and British approach. You wouldn`t hear any Briton talking about bombing Mecca. Britain, I think, is following the Singapore model where only approved khutbas can be used. Another report that I read/heard was that Britain wants mosques to use English as a language of communication. This would probably mean that English translations would have to be provided along with original verses. I am certain that ``discussion papers`` have outlined several options and it would be interesting to see how they unfold. One wonders how far they are willing to push. After all, they started their own church to assert their freedom from Pope. And then there is always the Chinese model. If the British succeed in breaking the linkage between Islam and Ummah, they would render great service to Islam as well as Muslims.

At the same time, the West has to realize that the linkages exist. Attack and occupation of Iraq may not have brought on Islamic militancy, but it would be foolish to claim that it did not exacerbate it.