London’s Hour of Reckoning

Re: # 3

Ana how about `centuries` of reckoning ?

Re: # 15
Please take your pious , sanctimonious self.........

Re: # 4

Ally

The average `gora` is microscopically more discerning. Hence they ruled us all for centuries.....

Re: # 8

Pmishra

Any form of terror, as hideous as such acts of Holocaust are, always have an underlying root-cause. Denial and massacre in Palestine is the root-cause of spineless terror. So are you saying that we should negate any attempt toward a peaceful resolution in the Gaza and West Bank ?

Can you not see the inter-relatedness of global issues in the 21st century mishra ? Or are you trapped in a time machine of some archaic century ?

Re: # 12

Beejay:

how do you know im not already engaging in the below mentioned ?

1) Get your rear out of here and get involved in relief operations.

(2) Get involved in inter-community networking efforts.

(3) Snitch, snitch, and snitch! If that guy looks suspicious to you from your vantage point, maybe he can be as hurtful to you as to the rest of the crowds.

ozer,

``reckoning`` as you put it, is not just for the west to do. but i do not want to be accused of being pious and sanctimonious once again. you are in essence suggesting that the british people, an amalgam of ethnicities is to reckon for something they did not do. again, how many british said, ``not in our name``. does that even matter to you?

and ozer, quite a few people do have a concept of what ``jehad`` is here on chowk. they also are finding that cleansing out oneself spiritually apparently equates to a growing number of muslims cleansing the earth of some of its people.

if you feel this is wrong, then for goodness sakes, raise your voice just as high against what a growing number of cells and groups have hijacked - as you have it raised against the ``goras``. . . it is NOT just about the goras anymore. it is about ALL of us. and no flowery metaphorical language that emanates from your fingertips can cloak that.

if you truly believe that ``true`` justice is race and colour-blind and religion-blind, then act like it. ``true`` justice isn`t 40 people dead and 700 injured, ``true`` justice is not ``this is what they have to reckon with`` ``true`` justice is not what is happening in iraq, afghanistan, darfur or anywhere else where there has been senseless loss of lives. anywhere else. including the west, where many of us live.

your prose quite simply does not show what ``true`` justice is.

#21 Ozer:

[how do you know im not already engaging in the below mentioned…]

I don’t really know. That was just a guess – based on the fact that you use too many words. People who do so are usually lacking somewhere – usually on the action front!

Anyway, the advice was for people “like you”! Only when it happens on a lrger scale, can one bring about any significant changes in perceptions.

Now, the all-important question here is why did you leave out my no. (4) advice to “tone down this ‘Us Muslims vs. the Big Bad Wolf’ stuff”. Could it be, perish the thought, tacit admission through omission?

#20 by ozerkhalid

“Denial and massacre in Palestine is the root-cause of spineless terror.”

First, based on a statement on a web site everybody has accepted it as a fact that Islamic terrorists did it. I guess having no other choice; I will have to go with the horde too.

Second, I am getting tired of hearing this stale and oft repeated argument that Palestine is the “root-cause of this spineless terror”.

How many Palestinians have been accused or are arrested for terrorist bombing outside of Palestine? So far a majority is Saudi, Yemeni, Algerian, Moroccan, Jordanian may be even some Pakistanis but not more than one or two Palestinian. One Palestinian on Sep 11 attacks was not even raised in Palestine.
Now if this cause is Palestine related, then why we don’t see Palestinians anywhere in this “root-cause struggle?
You will not even find Palestinians linked to Hammas in this group of spineless terrorist.

Before we go anywhere near Palestine, we should remember that when the Palestinian struggle was at its peak in Lebanon and in Palestine, most of these root-cause specialists were sitting in Peshawar and fighting the godless kingdom of Afghanistan supported by the Godless monarchy of the Soviet Union.

If these root cause terrorist did not have support from the US they could have never gotten even close to Afghanistan. So they gained their arms and money from the US in Afghanistan, never raised a hand in the Palestine struggle, never left Peshawar and later Afghani caves and still are probably hiding in the Tora Bora caves and still they are the champions of the root cause Palestinian struggle. The poor Palestinian who spent all their lives in refugee camps or under the enemy fire never asked for help from these criminals and now these criminals pretend that they are the root cause champion.

The buggers are criminals and murderers and if there is any body, who justifies their dastardly acts because of the poor Palestinians, that person is either a blind mullah or an apologist for terrorist and should be treated like one.

Crime has no justification whatsoever. Iraqis are fighting their own war and the Palestinian wont let these champions of hate come near them.
These are Suadi extortionist and are waging the terrorism so they can’t ge control of Saudi Arabia and that is all there is to it. Root-cause Palestine…My foot…

#24
Please read last line instead of this:

``so they can’t ge control of Saudi Arabia and that is all there is to it. Root-cause Palestine…My foot… ``

As:
so they CAN get control of Saudi Arabia and that is all there is to it. Root-cause Palestine…My foot…

HP #25: Well said.

In a peculiar twist of events, common Muslims and Westerners find themselves on the same side: grieving for their loved ones. They BOTH share the grief that comes when your loved one suddenly lies dead amid the blood splattered rubble.

Westerners came out in the millions to stop the atrocities that Iraq war would bring. But their so called ``democratic`` governments did not listen to them. When a western ruler ignores the will of his people, he is praised for showing ``leadership`` and ``resolve``. So now the westerners are paying the price of misadventures of their rulers. They are paying the price for the terrorism that their governments commit in their name.

Westerners are increasingly realizing that the greatest danger to their population is not from outsiders, its from their own rulers. These are the rulers who cut taxes for the rich, put ordinary bank robber behind bars yet multi-million dollar corporate fraudsters walk free, and who sqaunder their national wealth on foreign wars while their populations suffer without health insurances.

So once again, Muslims and Europeans today grieve together: Europeans for their 50 dead, and Muslims for their 150,000 dead (from afghanistan and Iraq only).

the ``westerners`` are not just paying the price of their rulers. but if you want to continue being an apologist for those who would use the palestinians and dead iraqis and afghanis to further their ``inteqaam`` you go right ahead. if you want to go on continuing to be apologists for those who are killing muslims like ihab al-sherif, whose ``crime`` was being the envoy for egypt. you go right ahead. for the muslim people and the diplomats that these people have killed. you compare the 50 to the 150000 killed by ``the west``, but the operatives without a ``ruler`` are not killing their own. the west is.

thankfully, there are muslims out there who are saying they don`t want these atrocities to be carried out in their name. but who`s listening to them? no one. because the ``leaders`` are usurpers, they are no less fraudiyas than the western leaders. but hey, according to the logic of you and your ilk, they are not doing the murdering. our leaders are.

kya logic hai. kya pathetic logic.

````The day after more than 50 people died in attacks on rush-hour commuters, the city’s police chief said: “If London can survive the Blitz it can survive four miserable events like this.”```` (Telegraph)

````London’s Muslims fear backlash```` (Daily Times, Pakistan)

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What bravery!

And did you see the report on Al Jazeera, the one where the major whine is that poking and prodding at Heathrow will now increase?

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Go for it, issue another fatwa!!

veeresh #29 for once i agree with you. sad, but true.

Ozer

Your previous poetry was non-political and had more meaning. When you try to politicise your writings you get into trouble. You have dug yourself into a right old mess...Ozer you are increasingly losing the plot.

You have a way with words, but alas this time your words will take you to no yellow brick road. You are just a vile and stupid idiot trying to defend terrorists. I hope Chowk boycotts mullahs like you. You are disgusting !!!

Who thinks that this parasite should be banished from Chowk once and for all ?

re: ozer # 16

Please, in the name of all that is holy, let`s not go there :)