Asif Naqshbandi November 30, 2005
#14 Posted by samreeen on June 11, 2006 10:35:23 am
i just read this poem.........
its amazing..keep up the gud work..
its amazing..keep up the gud work..
#13 Posted by mehulkamdar on December 9, 2005 10:36:53 pm
Beautiful writing. Please do write more and more often.
Your irreverence in communicating a ``spiritual`` experience does remind me of Omar Khayyam`s Rubaiyat. And it is every bit as pleasant to read.
Your irreverence in communicating a ``spiritual`` experience does remind me of Omar Khayyam`s Rubaiyat. And it is every bit as pleasant to read.
#12 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 2, 2005 2:52:07 am
Dear all,
Thanks for liking the poem! The metaphor of wine, I think it is quite clear from the poem, is actually a metaphor for gnosis (direct spiritual knowledge) of the Divine (which is known in Arabic as ma`arifa and ma`arifat in Urdu/Farsi). It is a very common metaphor in Islamic poetry throughout the ages.
The religious personalities in the poem are all links in the Naqshbandi Sufi Order`s chain of transmission.
Thanks for liking the poem! The metaphor of wine, I think it is quite clear from the poem, is actually a metaphor for gnosis (direct spiritual knowledge) of the Divine (which is known in Arabic as ma`arifa and ma`arifat in Urdu/Farsi). It is a very common metaphor in Islamic poetry throughout the ages.
The religious personalities in the poem are all links in the Naqshbandi Sufi Order`s chain of transmission.
#11 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 2, 2005 2:49:01 am
Re: # 6
Bhai, using your logic you would have to get rid of all of the poetry by Hafiz, Sa`di, Rumi, Attar, Jami (rahmatullah alayhi ajmain) etc. as they all use the metaphor of wine in their poems. not to mention all of the great Urdu and Arab religious poets too!!
I think you are getting too influenced by Wahabis.
Bhai, using your logic you would have to get rid of all of the poetry by Hafiz, Sa`di, Rumi, Attar, Jami (rahmatullah alayhi ajmain) etc. as they all use the metaphor of wine in their poems. not to mention all of the great Urdu and Arab religious poets too!!
I think you are getting too influenced by Wahabis.
#10 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 2, 2005 2:47:38 am
Re: # 6
Bhai, using your logic you would have to get rid of all of the poetry by Hafiz, Sa`di, Rumi, Attar, Jami (rahmatullah alayhi ajmain) etc. as they all use the metaphor of wine in their poems. not to mention all of the great Urdu and Arab religious poets too!!
I think you are getting too influenced by Wahabis.
Bhai, using your logic you would have to get rid of all of the poetry by Hafiz, Sa`di, Rumi, Attar, Jami (rahmatullah alayhi ajmain) etc. as they all use the metaphor of wine in their poems. not to mention all of the great Urdu and Arab religious poets too!!
I think you are getting too influenced by Wahabis.
#9 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 2, 2005 2:43:45 am
Re: # 4
Thanks for liking the poem--it took a lot of time and effort! The `Najdi idiots` are, I thought obviously, the Wahabbis who are the followers of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahab, a reformist, extremist, `scholar` of the 18th century and the founder of the most insidious sect in modern times.
Thanks for liking the poem--it took a lot of time and effort! The `Najdi idiots` are, I thought obviously, the Wahabbis who are the followers of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahab, a reformist, extremist, `scholar` of the 18th century and the founder of the most insidious sect in modern times.
#8 Posted by mimzee on December 2, 2005 12:58:52 am
I like your poem, it has rhythm. It takes one along with its flow (flowing river of wine, perhaps?) Simple as it may seem, it has a depth to it that makes one think.
I find myself wondering, what exactly have you used wine as a simile for? religion? prayer? dua? or have i misinterpreted it?
I find myself wondering, what exactly have you used wine as a simile for? religion? prayer? dua? or have i misinterpreted it?
#7 Posted by Raw_Dust on December 1, 2005 1:25:18 pm
burpinder:
i think you are missing part of what freesoul was tryinna analogise. look at Molvis he named, these guys have all kinds of underground stories going on about them all the time including, pedophilia. drinking is just too conventional a sin and its been hashed out as metaphor gazillion times already.
Naqshbandi Sahib:
i think you could salvage this poem and bring it back into the Sharaee bounds, by redoing wine metphor in the poem to Heavenly Wine, Sharab-e-Kausar.
there were a few lines that written in english but had this inspired lyricism like you find in Ala-Hazrat`s poems.
keep writing.
i think you are missing part of what freesoul was tryinna analogise. look at Molvis he named, these guys have all kinds of underground stories going on about them all the time including, pedophilia. drinking is just too conventional a sin and its been hashed out as metaphor gazillion times already.
Naqshbandi Sahib:
i think you could salvage this poem and bring it back into the Sharaee bounds, by redoing wine metphor in the poem to Heavenly Wine, Sharab-e-Kausar.
there were a few lines that written in english but had this inspired lyricism like you find in Ala-Hazrat`s poems.
keep writing.
#6 Posted by Urstruly on December 1, 2005 9:32:29 am
First of all it is good poetry from technical point of view, however I have an objection to its subject matter.
I completely understand the meaning of simile and metaphor but my question is why create a simile with a thing that is completely forbidden and haraam. I don`t think there is a scarcity of subject matter to create simile with something that is permissible and halal. I do not doubt the honesty or intentions behind the writing but I think it is a fair question to ask then why it would be wrong to create similes with other haraam things, as inquired in post#2.
So in other words, though unintentionally, you are glorifying one of the haram by associating with one of the most venerable.
#3 Posted by burpinder on December 1, 2005 1:16:24 am
Re: # 2
By equating drinking with paedophilia and serious drugs, you have shown what a free soul you really are. Congratulations.
By equating drinking with paedophilia and serious drugs, you have shown what a free soul you really are. Congratulations.
#2 Posted by freesoul on November 30, 2005 3:02:08 pm
The shock value for sufism has been too much restricted to drinking. Drinking is too old fashioned..everyone does it, from mulla Fazlu in Peshawar to late Noorani in KHI
I request Asif sahab to replace `drinking` in his poetry to, say, homosexuality, pedophilia, serious drugs, etc.
I request Asif sahab to replace `drinking` in his poetry to, say, homosexuality, pedophilia, serious drugs, etc.
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