Will Pakistanis Listen and Act?

southasian #75 I think it is wrong to simply say that ``terrorism breeds out of powerlessness``. There is enough evidence that terrorists are in fact well funded and very much in control of their lives to the point of becoming arrogant.

Also, the example you give is factually incorrect: You say that ``Modi was voted to power by Hindus who thought they were wronged in Godhra. `` In fact, he was Chief Minister of Gujerat (since 2001) when the Godhra riots took place (which took place in 2002). What I was referring to was the fact that he was RE-elected EVEN after the Gujerat carnage where he was implicated strongly enough for the US to deny him a visa.

Please dont try to defend the indefensible by trying to ``explain`` the reasons behind the Gujerat carnage. This makes you no better than those muslims who seek to ``explain`` the reasons behind terrorism conducted in the name of their religion. Terrorism is a crime against humanity. As a much quoted phrase from the Quran itself says - the taking of an innocent life is an attack on all humanity. We need to be united in our common humanity - not divided on the basis of religion or even on the basis of being ``south asian``. We can be proud of being Pakistanis or Indians or South Asians. But this pride has to be ``with malice towards none`` (to use my favorite quote from Abraham Lincoln).

I am with you when it comes to seeking a better future for the hundreds of millions of poverty stricken individuals in India and for the tens of millions of similarly poverty stricken individuals in Pakistan.


PS: Here is the BBC timeline on the Gujerat riots - I did my research on google before correcting your facts to make sure I was right.

Gujerat massacres, timeline on BBC website

Extract:

Feb 2002: BJP rules out committing itself to the construction of a temple in its election manifesto for Uttar Pradesh assembly elections. VHP confirms deadline of 15 March to begin construction. Hundreds of volunteers converge on site. At least 58 people are killed in an attack on a train in Godhra which is carrying Hindu activists returning from Ayodhya.

Mar 2002: Between 1,000 and 2,000 people, mostly Muslims, die in riots in Gujarat following the train attack.

Kane (various): I am thru wasting time with you because you have nothing intelligent to say. Just the same hollow bs. I didnt read your posts, and dont expect a reply.

Re: # 79 well they couldn`t vote out Blair, could they? I bet if they could there would have been no attacks. Powerlessness and despair! At least in America a new guy becomes President after 8 years.

Southasian......how do you explain the fact that majority of muslims in UK are sympathisers of terrorism ? Would you say that UK is not a democracy ? Accept the fact that Islam is an evil cult that hates freedom , democracy ,equality , modernity , secularism and progress. That is why muslims are in such a mess and hated all over the civilised world.

So Modi was denied a Visa by US ? Big deal. He addressed the conference in Flushing Meadows for which he was the Chief Guest via teleconference. And he is still the democratically elected popular Chief Minister of the rich and vibrant state of Gujarat.

By the Tahmed ....FYI...the state of Gujarat , with just 50 million people , is economically more productive than the whole of Pakistan - a country of 170 million. Gujarat is India`s #1 state in terms of economic produce , accounting for 20% of India`s exports. And such a state voted with overwhelming majority for Narendra Modi. Under Modi , Gujarat`s economy has been chugging along at a China-like 10% p.a.....

Tahmed .....``You are just another delusional Indian who thinks the rest of the world does not know the reality of communal hatreds and mob violence in India.``

`Rest of the world` does not really care what happens to muslims. `Rest of the World` hates muslims. Modi was not denied visa because of killing of 2000 muslims during Gujarat riots , as it is commonly perceived , but because of his opposition to missionary activity in his state. That is why 2 Congressman sponsored by the Southern Baptists got the visa denied to Modi. Not out of any love or care for what happened to muslims in Gujarat.

And if you think `Rest of the World` is even remotely as worried or concerned about the `reality of mob violence in India` , as much as the reality of Islam and muslims , you are an idiot.

Re: # 73 tahmed : Terrorism breeds out of powerlessness. Modi was voted to power by Hindus who thought they were wronged in Godhra. What followed Godhra was of course wrong but doesn`t that kind of a thing happen when a certain critical mass is reached in a nuclear reaction. You can see the critical mass building up in western society. Only their reaction is more calibrated and sensible. If only in place of Modi a better leader was in charge this chain reaction would have been arrested or addressed.

The surest way to defeat terrorism would be empowerment of the people. Indian Muslim played a pivotal role in defeating BJP. He/she feels empowered and as a result Indian Muslim is not a terrorist. So if Islamic teachings in isolation were the culprit even Indian Muslim would have been a terrorist. In their home countries give people democratic rights. In international fora give these countries a voice. Erase powerlessness and terrorism would be defeated. However, till the disease is treated from its roots, its symptoms will have to be dealt with firmly. Force is to be met with force and argument with argument.

I also feel that the concept of nation state has lost its relevance. It has given a lot of distorted perceptions of persecution to a lot of people worldwide. I will appreciate your and other interactors` views.

Re: #71 by Kane

Kane,

I would suggest that you find yourself someone of some decency to argue with.

Don`t get fooled by the fact that he can read and write. Remember, this tahmed32 character follows a man you wouldn`t let your six-year-old little girl alone in the room with.

Kane #71 Sure...Modi is worse than a terrorist. A terrorist represents no one but himself and his own bunch of thugs. Modi the Monkey King is an elected leader. He represents the viewpoint of majority of the hindus in Gujerat - they elected him EVEN AFTER the Gujerat riots. The US government denied him a visa specifically due to the Gujerat riots and the killings of innocent people. You are just another delusional Indian who thinks the rest of the world does not know the reality of communal hatreds and mob violence in India.

Also, I see you just did the monkey dance (by aping what I wrote in calling for you to do the dance). Modi the Monkey King would be proud of you.

Re: #65 by Dalit


My, that did hit a weak spot, didn`t it?

So I was right. You ARE from that kind of a background.


Well Dalit, it`s not your fault.

Just tell yourself again and again that you are no less than anybody else, INCLUDING Hindus.

And when you bring up your children, try not to talk too much about your past. And tone down that anti-Hindu rhetoric. It`s a pretty thin veneer over your insecurity.

Otherwise, your children will be like you too, insecure and constantly trying to prove that they are respectable.

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For Tahmed32...this is what the `Rest of the World` is talking about >>


It`s time we accepted the difficult truth: many of the Muslims we invite to live in Australia want to destroy us.

Kane: I did not deny Modi (the Monkey King) a visa to enter the US. The US government did. Now put on a monkey cap and show me your monkey dance.

kane

You, dalitji, and I can all discuss that at another time.

Dalitji would hate to see the discussion of terrorism derailed. So we shouldn`t be continuing to engage him and thus getting sidetracked here. :)

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