How green is their valley?

Re: # 138

Pakistan is an independent country. But it has been (and still being) used and abused by America, Saudia, China, Britain, Afghanistan, Iran everyone. It`s aam-langar folks. Compared to that this is just a website.

And more seriously, the title-bar on your IE says, ``Ideas and Identities of India Pakistan``.

Re: # 148
Chowk is like a Spitoon container, people whine here and then go back to their routines.

What about Sikhs that were killed in Kashmir by Muslims during last 15 yrs?
At least for Hindus BJP is there.
jiska koi nahee uska tau khuda hai yaaro.

In all fairness, does anyone know that towns in Pakistani Kashmir have been totally Muslimised, ethnically cleansed of Sikhs. Mujaffarpur, capital of Kashmir in 1947 was 70 %Sikh, what happened there? TNT was not applicable in Kashmir.

I don`t know if things will ever be same but what pisses me off is the indifferent of writers to being not fair to all the stakeholders(they could be Muslims in Gujrat, Bombay or Sikhs in Kashmir or Hindus in Sind.)

anyways, whoever and whatever is your agenda Farzaana or your backers are, it must be very hard for you to write this under all kinds of threats from your government. I commend you on that. Ignore my previous frustration but know that it has its basis. Neither Jinnah nor Gandhi had even one word for the sufferings of Sikhs.

Sometimes in USA when I meet these Pakistani people who claim to be Kashmiri but speak Punjabi. I cannot but laugh inside.
Farzaana, Try asking any Pakistani Kashmiri if they can speak their own mother toungue(Kashmiri).
Will they ever sing.
Gachvaie Vaisey Pamposh Vaisoor
Haaaah, this used to be the song of kashmiris(Muslims/Hindus) till 1947.

Now they listen to Noor Jehan`s Punjabi songs.

Re: # 138

``If I were Chowk`s moderator I would censure almost all posts from Indians unless they have some literary, philosophical, etc angle. ``

This is an impossible demand. Hindus by nature are indecent people, completely devoid of manners to sit among other decent human beings and interact intelligently and coherently. We as Pakistanis have accepted this fact as a force of nature that cannot be altered. Its the dog`s-tail-in-a-tube-for-twelve-years kind of thing as the urdu proverb goes.

I would rather have them ``vent their spleens`` here than go out and burn 10 year old girls alive in Ahmadabad. But thanks for trying

Re: # 147
I agree with you,
but my question was not directed towards people who write in interact but with people who post their articles here.

If Mr UdayKumar has problems with Indias nuclear policy than he ought to write to Indian newspapers, web sites, political parties and try to generate opinion in his favor. Does posting that article here makes any sense?

Similarly by crying loudly about difference in treatment to between Kashmiri Pandits and Gujrat Riot victims , on this site doesn`t make any sense. What does Farzana want? that pakistanis come to her rescue?

Opinions/Views even if they are right/politically correct take on wrong connotations if they are expressed at wrong platforms.

In my opinion whatever Farzana(UdayKumar) says, its totally inappropriate for them to bad-mouth hindus/india in this way here. If these articles were published in Times of India or elsewhere then they would have made some impact intended. Publishing them here is just self egotism of these people.

Similarly it is for the pakistanis who might be doing the same on indian sites.

Talking about Nuclear Disarmament/Peace/Communalism in general is Ok, but a indian coming on this or any non-indian site and lambasting their people/govt is just stupidity. It doesn;t generate any respect for the author.

The point is, how much problems I have in my personal life, I don;t go to my neighbors house and lambast my father, mother, wife etc. This is commonsese. And persons without commonsense writing about Nuclear Policies etc is non-sense or sheer time waste

#138 by cranberry

[So I can`t understand one thing. why do Indian`s post their contentious issue`s here and then occupy all the space here.]

It`s easy to understand. If this website is accessible ONLY WITHIN PAKISTAN, there would be no Indians in view. But since it is read globally, we Indians wish to rectify the thousands of lies regularly spread resident by Chowkie idiots that can potentially influence global opinion about India.

#144 by arjun_m on July 27, 2005 6:21am PT

Problem with this old woman is that she polishes (mis)information to suit her own agenda. If Kashmiri Pandits are getting killed than her issue is that are they are not only one getting killed. If Imrana gets raped by her father-in-law than she cries that it is a hindu conspiracy.
If that girl witness in Gujarat riot case retracts her case due to some greed or threat than it is a hindu conspiracy. If Akshardham happens than it is a hindu conspiracy, and if Ayndhya happens than it is a hindu conspiracy. If Abhimanyu or some other Indian officer on patrol is kidnapped and killed by Jehadis than it is a hindu conspiracy and if Indian forces than retaliate and destroy Jehadi bunkers than it is a problem for her.

I should use same logic and state Babri happened because Pakistanis wanted to sensationalize the issue, or that ShahBano happend because of Muslim desire to destroy Indian secular fabric. Chock will immediately make me a front page author.

Re: # 137
Manto,

The point dear man is that I agree... unabashed bigotry comes first... and syntax second.. you got problems with both...

Glad that we agree.

And you`re damn right I have problems with both, becuase this jumbled load of crap by Fuzzy got neither syntax nor factual accuracy....it just stinks of adolescent mischief designed to further the agenda of some jehadi nuisance.

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Re: # 138

cranberry:

Good question.. If this is a website designed by/for Pakistanis, why do they allow articles about domestic issues in India?. With pakistanis treated with contempt all over the world, (Just yesterday, a flight to london was diverted because they found three pakistanis in first class behaving suspiciously..the flight was detained and they were questioned), even I think it`s not a good thing to be associated with anything pakistani. Who knows maybe FBI keeps a watch on this website too..

FYI, I don`t think this ``Dalit`` dude is a real dalit, He is most probably a Pakistani cutting and pasting from websites like ``dalitstan.org``. India has changed a lot. Just a couple of months back, Mayawati, a Dalit leader threw open her welcoming hands to Brahmins. The tables have turned.. There is still a lot of work to do, but we are moving in the right direction..

Re: # 116

Yasser,

I recommend you file ``dispossessed Gupta sydrome`` and ``massive sense of entitlement`` as registered trademarks immediately before someone else does.

Burp.

Re: # 138

Cranberry...What about the paks who visit sites run by indians??.Should their views be censured as those of indians who visit this site?.Make sense, please.Or, cut the bullshit and move on.Call a spade a spade and be explicit about this being a pak site for paks.Have verification methods and checks built in to ensure the same and DON``T post articles about India.We indians will keep out.

Cranberry

You pirate indian movies, you pirate indian music and Indian litreature causing billions in losses and then you complain about one measly website. I agree with you about the quality of interactions by indian posters, but the articles have generally been atleast at the same level as pakistanis.

This is a web-site which is designed and run by Pakistanis, most probably to discuss their issue.
So I can`t understand one thing. why do Indian`s post their contentious issue`s here and then occupy all the space here. Some of the articles and the resulting interacts just gets reduced to mud-slinging.

Whatever peeves Farzana has with Hindus or Pandits , it`s really intriquing that she posts all her personal thoughts (against hindus, bjp or whatever ) on this site. There may be some indian sites where posting such articles might be better.

Similarly there is this post by Mr UdayKumar on India`s nuclear position. Its good to be a dissenter, a myth breaker , bold , yada yada but why vent yr spleen about India on a pakistani or any other site.

The fact of history is that India and Pakistan are seprate nations and also true that they are arch-rivals. Whayever be the reasons this is a fact. So better will be live like good enemies in our own areas.

This mudslinging like one by Dalit and then on him reduce the interacts to a pathetic low level of thoughts.

If I were Chowk`s moderator I would censure almost all posts from Indians unless they have some literary, philosophical, etc angle.

Re: # 124

Medinans? Meccans ? who?

Anyway... dear Gandiv... I don`t care either way... The point dear man is that I agree... unabashed bigotry comes first... and syntax second.. you got problems with both...