Pakistan’s Choice

Free trade with India would naturally benefit Pakistan. I think there will be some sort of free-trade agreement within the next 6 to 12 months.

And for those who live in a fool`s paradise, remain in it, the real world does not want you.

re: trade with India: Pak says No until K problem solved
Here is a gem from Pakis:
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=431893
(``With India, free trade and investment ... Has to move in tandem with progress on overall relations with the two countries, and the main issue is ... Kashmir,`` Aziz said during an official visit to Hong Kong.(
This puppet PM does not realize that Pak is losing out if it does not have free trade with India. Someone in another forum talked about Srilanka`s free trade with India and how it has taken off, despite past animosities.
Problem is: Pak is an ideological state, much like former Soviet Union, Yugaslavia, Prussia and will likely meet the fate these nations met. Ideological states do not last long. It would surprise readers a nation not on the map today viz Prussia, lasted 200 years.
Who is this Aziz guy kidding.
Another 10 years and Pak will come grovelling to India for free trade. India can then tell Pak to Fukc off.
Sridhar

re: Romair`s post
(The main issues in Pakistan, at the moment, are a lack of skill-sets..)
Romair must be kidding.
Pakis are very skilled.
Skilled at:
1. Illegally immigrating to other countries
2. Repainting North Korean and Chinese missiles and calling them there own, after going thr` proper ceremony of dedication, giving them a new name (Ghori, ghazni etc etc).
3. at IT ie International Terrorism.
4. at making nukes cladestinely and then exporting them cladestinely to rogue regimes like North Korea, Iran.
The list goes on and on.
Gosh, Pakis are very skilled!
Sridhar

re:#580 by rsribhar
(Just because this rsridhar character attempts to walk on two legs, pretends to have a brain, and is extremely proud of his South Indian name, he is really totally different from me. Of course, I am not responsible for any debts, promises, or contracts incurred by this primate)

If only name could endow u with some brains, u would have one by now. Carry on with the charade. I do not mind u having a similar sounding nic. It only amuses me.
You only come out as a person of dubious character, vilifying me in one post and then trying to make amends in the very next.
Perhaps a typical Paki trait.
Sridhar

Mr. Jinnah`s presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
August 11, 1947

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Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen!
I cordially thank you, with the utmost sincerity, for the honour you have conferred upon me - the greatest honour that is possible to confer - by electing me as your first President. I also thank those leaders who have spoken in appreciation of my services and their personal references to me. I sincerely hope that with your support and your co-operation we shall make this Constituent Assembly an example to the world. The Constituent Assembly has got two main functions to perform. The first is the very onerous and responsible task of framing the future constitution of Pakistan and the second of functioning as a full and complete sovereign body as the Federal Legislature of Pakistan. We have to do the best we can in adopting a provisional constitution for the Federal Legislature of Pakistan. You know really that not only we ourselves are wondering but, I think, the whole world is wondering at this unprecedented cyclonic revolution which has brought about the clan of creating and establishing two independent sovereign Dominions in this sub-continent. As it is, it has been unprecedented; there is no parallel in the history of the world. This mighty sub-continent with all kinds of inhabitants has been brought under a plan which is titanic, unknown, unparalleled. And what is very important with regards to it is that we have achieved it peacefully and by means of an evolution of the greatest possible character.

Dealing with our first function in this Assembly, I cannot make any well-considered pronouncement at this moment, but I shall say a few things as they occur to me. The first and the foremost thing that I would like to emphasize is this: remember that you are now a sovereign legislative body and you have got all the powers. It, therefore, places on you the gravest responsibility as to how you should take your decisions. The first observation that I would like to make is this: You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property and religious beliefs of its subjects are fully protected by the State.

The second thing that occurs to me is this: One of the biggest curses from which India is suffering - I do not say that other countries are free from it, but, I think our condition is much worse - is bribery and corruption. That really is a poison. We must put that down with an iron hand and I hope that you will take adequate measures as soon as it is possible for this Assembly to do so.

Black-marketing is another curse. Well, I know that blackmarketeers are frequently caught and punished. Judicial sentences are passed or sometimes fines only are imposed. Now you have to tackle this monster, which today is a colossal crime against society, in our distressed conditions, when we constantly face shortage of food and other essential commodities of life. A citizen who does black-marketing commits, I think, a greater crime than the biggest and most grievous of crimes. These blackmarketeers are really knowing, intelligent and ordinarily responsible people, and when they indulge in black-marketing, I think they ought to be very severely punished, because the entire system of control and regulation of foodstuffs and essential commodities, and cause wholesale starvation and want and even death.

The next thing that strikes me is this: Here again it is a legacy which has been passed on to us. Along with many other things, good and bad, has arrived this great evil, the evil of nepotism and jobbery. I want to make it quite clear that I shall never tolerate any kind of jobbery, nepotism or any any influence directly of indirectly brought to bear upon me. Whenever I will find that such a practice is in vogue or is continuing anywhere, low or high, I shall certainly not countenance it.

I know there are people who do not quite agree with the division of India and the partition of the Punjab and Bengal. Much has been said against it, but now that it has been accepted, it is the duty of everyone of us to loyally abide by it and honourably act according to the agreement which is now final and binding on all. But you must remember, as I have said, that this mighty revolution that has taken place is unprecedented. One can quite understand the feeling that exists between the two communities wherever one community is in majority and the other is in minority. But the question is, whether it was possible or practicable to act otherwise than what has been done, A division had to take place. On both sides, in Hindustan and Pakistan, there are sections of people who may not agree with it, who may not like it, but in my judgement there was no other solution and I am sure future history will record is verdict in favour of it. And what is more, it will be proved by actual experience as we go on that was the only solution of India`s constitutional problem. Any idea of a united India could never have worked and in my judgement it would have led us to terrific disaster. Maybe that view is correct; maybe it is not; that remains to be seen. All the same, in this division it was impossible to avoid the question of minorities being in one Dominion or the other. Now that was unavoidable. There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be on end to the progress you will make.

I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation.

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.

Well, gentlemen, I do not wish to take up any more of your time and thank you again for the honour you have done to me. I shall always be guided by the principles of justice and fairplay without any, as is put in the political language, prejudice or ill-will, in other words, partiality or favouritism. My guiding principle will be justice and complete impartiality, and I am sure that with your support and co-operation, I can look forward to Pakistan becoming one of the greatest nations of the world.

I have received a message from the United States of America addressed to me. It reads:

I have the honour to communicate to you, in Your Excellency`s capacity as President of the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, the following message which I have just received from the Secretary of State of the United States:
On the occasion of of the first meeting of the Constituent Assembly for Pakistan, I extend to you and to the members of the Assembly, the best wishes of the Government and the people of the United States for the successful conclusion of the great work you are about to undertake.

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Hmmm.. I`ve been out of the city for the past few days and have not been interacting. Seems as the debate here has ended. Ciao

Ballu Khan Sahib #609, {``Pakitanis have to make a choice now............they are in a great danger of letting Taliban goons run the country......... ``}

Ballu Sahib, you are definitely right about this one. As you know, Pakis have now been practicing with suicide bombing. Indians better watch it. The next suicide bomber could be good old Mushy, or a reasonable facsimile, with a nuke strapped on his back. :)

Salim

You are right when you said pakistan has to clean its act and to reform its society. However you are wrong when you said, ``No intelligent person can blame India for Pakistan’s myopic and incompetent policies, both foreign and domestic, and for its miseries`` as every student of International Relations know nuclear arms race, security situation and balance of power can have davastating impact on domestic and foreign policy of a country. As far Indias emergance as a `new darling of west` is concerned it is not because India is a seculer democracy (infact it is a Hindu-Seculer democracy) and educated and professional work force on the other hand for west India is a big and cheap market. They want to get in to indian market in order to exploit it for their own benefit. As China is not allowing western powers to have a free ride therefore in order to counter dimishing profits for their economies these imperial scavangers are looking for new soft targets and India provides them with a perfact opportunity.

#610 by premwalla

[The chunky one in the middle with the ``I can`t believe I just farted`` look.
The fat one on the right saying ``I use a heavy duty one.``
The one up front on the left, with the pretty teeth, is Yousuf Youhana]

ROTFL!! I tell you Salim, you are a riot!

#608, Balloo Khan Sahib,

{``Is it an all female team or are there a few males thrown in to correct the misconception that in Pakistan, there is no gender bias?``}

They are mostly females. Some doubts about a few:

The chunky one in the middle with the ``I can`t believe I just farted`` look.
The fat one on the right saying ``I use a heavy duty one.``
The one up front on the left, with the pretty teeth, is Yousuf Youhana

Pakitanis have to make a choice now............they are in a great danger of letting Taliban goons run the country.........

``Now, religious figures who once trained Taliban adepts in their madrassas have become powerful politicians.

``The people who created the Taliban are now effectively running half of Pakistan,`` said Samina Ahmed, an Islamabad representative from the International Crisis Group, a research organization based in Brussels.

Many Pakistanis worry that the MMA is trying to re-create Taliban rule. In June, the North-West Frontier assembly passed a law allowing religious ombudsmen to fine or jail people for conducting ``entertainment shows`` near mosques and ``indecent behavior at public places.``

Qazi Hussein Ahmed, who heads the dominant party in the MMA coalition, said that his group had criticized some extreme Taliban practices and that terrorist attacks on innocent civilians were prohibited by Islam. But he also said Kashmiri militants were justified in their ``holy war`` against India, and he implied the same of Taliban insurgents fighting the U.S.-backed government in Afghanistan.``

#606 by one-world

[Whatever it is they look happy]

Is it an all female team or are there a few males thrown in to correct the misconception that in Pakistan, there is no gender bias?

This last one about Karachi seems to be a toothpaste commercial. The beautiful teeth are a result of the pure clean drinking water that Karachiites enjoy.

Whatever it is they look happy

Another KHI beauty

Karachiites enjoying nightlife