Pakistan’s Choice

Shankar mian
I was told that you will open your trap for 10 rupees, have you started opening your trap for free now?


Jokes aside, have you been barred from doing practice? Or have you retired?

Re: # 487

{{Shankar,
Why are you torturing us with your badly formatted posts?}}

Gee...
I`m so glad I`m f#cking with your mind; my friend!
Too bad youre slimy Hindian...
but then..
who amongst us is perfect?:))

{{{I will arrange to get you 10 Rupees. Ab khush!}}}

See...
now thats EXACTLY why I`m not...
er.. ``Ab khush``-ing right now..

Gimme 200 dollars an hour...
I`ll keep my trap shut...

Re: # 484

Shankar Mian

Take a break from one man YLH defence committee. I mean we all love YLH but let`s face it - we still don`t know much about him. Haroon and Co are his students - so much animosity towards YLH may have some valid reasons.

I mean - this kind of animosity between students and teachers is rare - many students don`t like their teachers, but this kind of animosity points towards some deep-rooted issues and somehow I feel YLH has his fare share of the culpability in this sordid afffair of student-teacher p!ssing contest.

Re: # 457 & 462

Romair,

You ask too many questions and say too much in one post and keep going off in tangent. That reflects only your convoluted and spaghetti-like thought process. Please stick to one thought at a time before you run off with another thought in the same post, so it can be clearly debated. Also, a succinct and a clear post from you would definitely help me in not skipping what you have to say.

I picked up a few points you raised in your two posts, and below are my answers to that:

“Mullah parties are amongst the most democratic in Pakistan.”

Could that be because they’re not in power? However, the issue is not with their “democratic credentials,” but with their mentality and conviction of a “pure Islamic” political and social system that would keep power in their hands perpetually and their word will become law of the land, a la Iran; unless of course you don’t have any issues with the Iranian political and social setup.

Once in power, however, would the mullahs keep the same political system that brought them to power? What’s the guarantee? What would prevent them from “Islamizing” the political system because that will be the “right” and the “Islamic way”? Who would challenge them then? Challenging them would amount to challenging Islam and punishment for challenging Islam would be beheading. Would you dare to?

” I don`t think mullah is the biggest challenge facing Pakistan. But since you think so, could you point out how you have reached this conclusion.”

I reached this conclusion by looking around. Iran, Osama’s support among the mullahs in Pakistan, their professed hatred for America and anything Western, Pakistani newspapers.

“there is more to Pakistan than, ``you me and Haroon.`` We are a tiny microscopic elite. In fact, you and me aren`t even in Pakistan.”

No, people like us are NOT a tiny microscopic minority. I’m certain that there’s a good portion of Pakistani society -- rich, poor and those in between -- that would concur with our thoughts.

” I can say with a lot of certainity that if a people`s revolution ever came, the servant in my house is not going to run to the mosque and grab the maulvi`s throat. He will turn to me and grab my throat.

That depends entirely how you treat your servant: as a human being whom life has dealt bad cards, or as an animal.

Shankar,
Why are you torturing us with your badly formatted posts? I will arrange to get you 10 Rupees. Ab khush!

#483 by tahmed32 on August 4, 2005 5:23am PT
Majumdar #464 When I referred to ``Indian muslims``, I meant ``muslims in the sub-continent``. Thanks for pointing this out.

Wah! Wah!!
Is it a Freudian slip or what?

Two possible interpretations to this
1> Indian muslims are only true muslims in subcontinents
2> India means complete sub-continent and anyone living in sub-continent is Indian

I wonder which one is correct ;-)

Re: # 457

My dear cousin,

{{That is precisely the dilemma and the danger Pakistan is facing today...``}}

You figured that out...
aaaaaalllll by your lonesome?...
hahn!!


{{I never vote for mullah parties. Never have, never will (unless Benazir is the only other candidate).}}

Unless the mullahs have a ONE PARTY manifesto...
FREE KASHMIR!!

{{But we need to get the facts straight.}}

Damn straight...
so stop spinning them...
ISI BUTThead!!:)))

{{ Mullah parties are amongst the most democratic in Pakistan.}}

See what I mean...
spin..spin..spin..

DUKKAR
Didnt godot tell you that they will kick out democracy the MINUTE they come to power?
Pl. start staking some notes...
Cpt. CLUELESS!!

{{They are one of the few parties which have internal elections. And are not heridatory. And most of all, they are the only lower-middle class parties in Pakistan. They have put farmers and poor laborers and lower class maulvis into the assemblies. Most of the rest, like PPP and PML, are elitist heridatory parties, which never hold internal leadership elections. They have Chairpersons for Life.}}

Thats EXACTLY WHAT LENIN dreamt of in the erstwhile Soviet Union..
Thats how these b#stards SEDUCE an unsuspecting bhoola AWAM to gain power..

communist & right wing fascists ALL start out that way!!

why in the world do you think Hilter APPEALED to ordinary Germans...
before he came to (took over) power?

{{Mullahs are just a nuisance who will disappear}}

NOT as long as they KEEP proffessing jihad to liberate Kashmir...
Havent you figured out (by now)...
that that`s EXACTLY the game your world famous military has been playing?

Oh well . I guess you dont have the guts to admit it.
You are, after all, a product of that rat-infested; Islam-insulting institution..

,{{ the moment any credible non-mullah leadership appears (different from the corrupt feudal PPP and PML). Pakistan has much bigger problems than mullahs..........}}

YES!!
like your Goddamned Army

{{Also, there is more to Pakistan than, ``you me and Haroon.`` We are a tiny microscopic elite.}}

Yes..
but when you cling to the dominant discourse in Pakistan...
keep clinging to it...
you`ll go very far & high up in political power..
maybe then you can take bribes & buy a better house in Toronto...


{{ There is a mosque close to my house in Pakistan. I can say with a lot of certainity that if a people`s revolution ever came, the servant in my house is not going to run to the mosque and grab the maulvi`s throat. He will turn to me and grab my throat.}}

Better him ...than me! :))))

Seems like the mullahs have already converted the hearts & minds of your awaam...
Pakistan is F#CKED!!!!

{{ but rest assured, you and me (i.e. the rich folks) are far more disliked amongst common Pakistanis than anyone else (including the mullah). The middle-class considers the mullah just a removable nuisance, since he is even poorer than they are. It considers us the elitist mafia, which hogs all the nation`s resources..........}}

After experiencing rich guys, on Chowk, like haroon elahi & Don Corleone...
I cant say I blame them!:)))

{{So, I don`t think mullah is the biggest challenge facing Pakistan.}}

Touche!!!
You Azaaaaaaaad Kashmiris are!


{{I would put, feudalism in the rural areas, and financial corruption in the urban areas as the main problem. After that I would place the class divisions in the society, with us being the English-speaking elite and the remaining being the Urdu-speaking, ``awam.`` And then I would also place the involvement of the Army in business and politics as the next one. All these before the mullah.....}}

Yo!
Put Al-Qeeda infested Azaaaad Kashmiri BUTT(heads)...
on TOP of that list....


{{{I would much rather see this bandwidth spent on discussing the improving of the canal systems, the introduction of IT into villages, how to improve the highway system of Pakistan etc.}}}

So put your money where your frikking mouth is...
& migrate to frikking Gilgit...
You are too afraid to bring up a child in evil Western Canukistan anyways....

{{What people want is a raise in their standard of living. If you don`t believe me, let me ask you a question: Did you and/or your family migrate to the USA for its secularism and democracy? Or did you migrate to make more money and get better jobs? I migrated for the later (more money and better jobs).}}

FECKLESS/SHAMELESS bugger ...

You & your kind are like the British who camed to India...
sneered at the local culture...
& became extremely wealthy...

You know Romair...
its a HECK OF A LOT OF FUN...
having unilateral conversations with you :))))

Re: # 476

HaroonElahi,

{{It appears the Yasser Latif Hamdani is not only cheat, but he is also a chronic liar.}}

And what are YOU
a f%ing mullah?!

{{He just accused me of `threating` him on MSN. You sir, are a deceitful liar! I came on MSN and I stated that ` Please Refrain from interacting with Don and I. Good Day`. And then I blocked you. How this is a threat, I fail to understand. }}

Yup!
U da` mullah alright...
asli 100% Paki mullah dukkar...

{{But I don`t blame you for behaving this way, you have been defeated and have failed to properly produce any coherent arguements.}}

DEFEATED!!!!
hahaha!
TYPICAL Paki ``KUTB MINAR DICK`` response...

Just like your country...
lose every frikking war in your glorious history
..& DECLARE (unilateral) VICTORY!!!!!!!

the sad thing is...
Methinks your idotic awam....
Actually BUYS THAT SH*T!!!!

{{To everyone else who has been taking part in a constructive debate in the interest of objectivity, I will be responding soon as I have to go right now.}}

OBJECTIVITY!! you?!!
You are about as objective as my cousin
Umair Raja!!!!

{{Stop it Mantolives, How many times do I have to tell you to stop interacting with me?}}

But ofcourse...
You would`nt refuse a slimy brahmin like me..
the PLEASURE of ...
interacting with you
er...unilaterally...ofcourse!!!

{{You are the author of the problem as you insulted Don intially and then you compared him with Ossama and subsequently I condemned you for both and that your ego could not stand.}}

You are a Paki mullah jerkola...
to bring a snot nosed 16 yr rich kid...
to character assassinate a fellow Chowkie...
DUKKAR!!

{{ this issue has to do with your retrogressive mentality and your inability to behave like a proper, mature, person.}}

Yo!!!
Kaaala ``pot``!
that ``kettle`` youre calling ``black`` is...
a Hell of a lot...
````fairer`````` than YOU!!!!!

{{So what if I asked you to refrain from attacking Don on Chowk? I asked don via the phone, did you care to consider that? He even unilaterally apologized and said let us end this,}}

Thats why you shouldnt bring a 16 yr old snot rich kid on Chowk...

If you are a REAL muslim...
I CHALLENGE you...
to show the maturity &
HUMILITY....

To aplogise (unilaterally)
not just to ylh..
but EACH & EVERY CHowkie...

for engaging in such
FECKLESS/SHAMELESS character assassination...

{{You sir, are a hypocrite!}}

You READ MY MIND; pal!!!

Khuda Hafiz

Majumdar #464 When I referred to ``Indian muslims``, I meant ``muslims in the sub-continent``. Thanks for pointing this out.

Ajeya #462 Your views on Islam, as I told you earlier, are of no interest to me. Because I am aware that, like too many Indians on chowk, you are on chowkwith one stupid little agenda: ``hinduism good, islam bad``.

Having said that, I will respond to your two ``arguments`` in any case.

On sharia: Sharia is not the word of God. It is simply judicial decisions made over the centuries by qazis appointed by kings.

On the tax on dhimmis (religious minorities): Is there any muslim country that has such a tax today?? No. Does anyone in Pakistan even refer to religious minorities as ``dhimmis``? No. Have elected (or even unelected) national level leaders in any muslim country lead attacks on religious minorities as in India? No.

So, go and fix the problems among your own hindus, then come talk to me about religion or anything else.

Last post to you. I am not interested in discussing anything with you.

Re: # 479

No I deliberately blanked out your email address in courtesy... but you have revealed it on your own.

Re: # 476

Another thing I want to make clear is that I did not insult Don at any point. He is the one who wrote his post 20 without provocation:

#20 by Don on July 28, 2005 3:27pm PT
i am the friend of haroon ellahi and my views were expressed in the 9th comment...i happen to know mantolives personally...he is a `muslim` but does not believe in eid and thinks that the namaz should be recited in english instead of the way the Holy Prophet(pbuh) recited it...he is a `patriotic pakistani` but hates everything about his country and is in love with the US and would kill to have been born an american...he is a hypocrite in everyway...and his opinions should not be taken seriously...
[Reply to interact #20]

Yasser also made a mistake in copying the 1st line I said, you are a true Jehadi! Keep it up Mantolives :)

Lie, cheat, deceit, do everything you can to cheat, even shoot ppl to save face, which you have none!

Dear Hamdani, I use two email addresses, not `several`, two is not `several` by any stretch of the English language.

h_ellahi@hotmail.com is for real life friends, family, and associates.

youthparliament@hotmail.com is for online friends, friends I made on my summer school camps and chowk friends.

Therefore, that is why I have you on both accounts. Any hows, sir, earlier this morning I came online from h_ellahi and I said to you `Refrain from talking to Don and I. Good Day`. I then blocked you. you then came online on chowk and stated that I have `threatened` you.

That is why I unblocked you from youthparliament@hotmail.com, and you copy-pasted those messages by me in your last comment.

Where is the threat? You are pathetic, just pathetic. Are you like trying to play mind-games? Was this your substitute for having no friends when you were in that `filthy elitist school?`

1. I ask you to refrain from talking to me.
2. You claim I have threatened you on a public forum, insulting my honor.
3. I ask you for a justification and you fail to do so and ask your dear friend Rozaiba to say to me to stop messaging you.

What sort of logic is this yasser? hahaha... I am seriously laughing so hard right now, as in, it`s absolutely hilarious, that Yasser Latif Hamdani has the maturity level of a 7th grader! hahahaha

Re: # 476

Haroon,

Please get a grip on yourself. You are still sending me messages from other nicks now... now you claim that I am interacting with you...

Here is a message I am getting from you right now:

Haroon says:
You are a liar! I did not threaten you from

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Haroon says:
I asked you to refrain from talking to Don and I! and then I said good day
Haroon says:
why do you lie so much
Haroon says:
Stop it dude. It`s not funny anymore.
Haroon says:
You are trying to hurt my repuation, which I do not appreacite. I am not the one who goes around threatening to bomb people`s houses or shoot bullets at them.
YLH says:
Haroon I don`t wish to have any contact with you... I have blocked you on the other board... and I am blocking you again. Please respect my wishes and stop fibbing.

I have blocked several of your emails. If you have anything to say to me say via this forum.

It appears the Yasser Latif Hamdani is not only cheat, but he is also a chronic liar.

He just accused me of `threating` him on MSN. You sir, are a deceitful liar! I came on MSN and I stated that ` Please Refrain from interacting with Don and I. Good Day`. And then I blocked you. How this is a threat, I fail to understand.

But I don`t blame you for behaving this way, you have been defeated and have failed to properly produce any coherent arguements.

To everyone else who has been taking part in a constructive debate in the interest of objectivity, I will be responding soon as I have to go right now. My elder cousin informed me of Mantolives remarks so I decided to come online right now and respond.

Stop it Mantolives, How many times do I have to tell you to stop interacting with me?

You are the author of the problem as you insulted Don intially and then you compared him with Ossama and subsequently I condemned you for both and that your ego could not stand. This issue has nothing to do with our conflicting visions for Pakistan, in fact, we agree on most issues, this issue has to do with your retrogressive mentality and your inability to behave like a proper, mature, person.

So what if I asked you to refrain from attacking Don on Chowk? I asked don via the phone, did you care to consider that? He even unilaterally apologized and said let us end this, but YOU continued your attack. You sir, are a hypocrite!

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