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Is Secular India really Secular and Islamic Pakistan really Islamic?

Dawood Mamoon August 5, 2005

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#4 Posted by sunlight on August 5, 2005 1:55:57 am
Hinduism and Islam as political forces were much like two political parties. Only one could have ruled and one would be subjugated by the other. Only the emergence of Pakistan would have ensured that Jinnah`s Islam would not live under the rule of Ghandi`s Hinduism.
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Agree except for the above.

Even though Muslims are a minority, Hindus in India do not vote as a bloc for a single political party (perhaps Jinnah could not have foreseen this). For example, in Karnataka, Hindu votes are divided currently among Congress, BJP and Janata Dal. So even if Muslims are in a minority, their vote has a significant influence. Of the above parties, only the BJP is willing to write off the Muslims, and after the recent elections (where the limitations of Hindutva were exposed) it must be questioned as to whether even the BJP is willing to write off Muslim votes.

Put more crudely, if you are a Hindutva proponent, you would automatically lose 14% Muslim votes plus at least 5% other votes, i.e., you are already giving 20% vote to your opponent. If we assume one needs 40% vote to win the election (since there are multiple candidates), this is a significant handicap.
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#3 Posted by cayenne on August 5, 2005 1:51:55 am
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#2 Posted by harish_hyd on August 5, 2005 1:49:11 am
An article riddled with assumptions, factual inaccuracies, and outright lies. Do I detect a tinge of disillusionment at the way Pakistan has shaped up and envy at the way India has progressed?

Later after his death, though the world knows him as a Secular Gandhi, in India he is identified as the demi god of contemporary Hindu history.

Which world do you live in pal? Gandhi is as much revered by Muslims as he is revered by Hindus, and the reason is not because he was a Hindu. It is because he spearheaded the freedom movement.

Only the emergence of Pakistan would have ensured that Jinnah`s Islam would not live under the rule of Ghandi`s Hinduism.

A false assumption if there ever was one. As Pakis have discovered to their horror, Muslims in post-Partition India have lived and thrived under a secular dispensation and have enjoyed all the rights the majority Hindus enjoy. Pakis will love to cite the periodic communal riots that take place as proof of how Muslims in India have had a raw deal, but the fact is that despite these, most Muslims and Hindus live peacefully side by side.

The fate of Islamic Pakistan is much similar to that of Secular India.

How Pakis love to equate themselves with India! I hate your burst your bubble, but the difference is in the institutions. There are enough checks and balances, the biggest among them being the democratic right to vote, which will ensure that India never falls into the hands of extremists, while the same is not the case in Pakistan. Any tinpot general with the Army behind him can take over the government, while any crazy mullah can have young men sway to his tunes and pick up a gun and kill infidels.

Secular India, may not be `SECULAR` in a sense we perceive secularism should be, but yes it is a state run by secular laws but dwelled by majority Hindus, a lot many of whom are extremists much like mullahs of their neighbouring country.

A lot many of them? Hello! It is precisely this `lot many of them` that kicked out the BJP in the last elections. If this is not proof enough that Indians are a tolerant lot, I don`t know what will suffice.

As arjun_m would say, most Pakis DO live in a parallel universe called the Pakiworld.
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#1 Posted by MantoLives on August 5, 2005 1:27:22 am
Richard Attenborough`s Jinnah in the movie ``Gandhi`` also says Jinnah was secular...

http://web.mid-day.com/smd/play/2005/july/114685.htm

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I saw Sen`s interview on Hardtalk where he said the abovementioned...
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