Decline of Science in the Muslim World
Mohammad Gill September 1, 2005
#100 Posted by sunlight on September 5, 2005 2:39:00 am
Questions about the above article:
(1) How come people of Pakistan are inspired by Muslim scientists, but not by people like Panini (whose linguistics was not equalled until the mid-19th century) or Taxila University?
(2) Does the answer to question (1) answer why people are looking for an ``Islamic Science`` and why there is no science in Muslim countries today?
Possible answers to the above
(1) Illiberality: inability to admire accomplishments of non-Muslims
(2) Illiberality can never lead to good science. After all, in the golden age of ``Islamic science`` Muslim scientists were not afraid to generously appreciate scientists of other cultures whether they were Chinese or Indian.
(1) How come people of Pakistan are inspired by Muslim scientists, but not by people like Panini (whose linguistics was not equalled until the mid-19th century) or Taxila University?
(2) Does the answer to question (1) answer why people are looking for an ``Islamic Science`` and why there is no science in Muslim countries today?
Possible answers to the above
(1) Illiberality: inability to admire accomplishments of non-Muslims
(2) Illiberality can never lead to good science. After all, in the golden age of ``Islamic science`` Muslim scientists were not afraid to generously appreciate scientists of other cultures whether they were Chinese or Indian.
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#99 Posted by discoverer on September 5, 2005 2:06:56 am
i think the reason for decline in science in muslim world is due to lack of replication of books at that time, more then thousand of books of muslim scientist philosophers etc were either burn and destroyed when christian reclaimed spain, no one knew what was inside those books. Some books which christain army confisticated were later cross examined and what they fought was never reveled to the world. If say replica of these books were present elsewhere in the world it would be quiet impossible for science among muslim world to decline. Information was free at that time but it was made limited
#98 Posted by arstoo on September 5, 2005 1:09:36 am
Dear Mr Gill,
Iqbal couplet is
Behtar hai dil ke pas rahe, pasban-e-aql
More over I did not like you choosing your ancestors in the desert of arabia instead of sub continent. But I respect your chosing.
Iqbal couplet is
Behtar hai dil ke pas rahe, pasban-e-aql
More over I did not like you choosing your ancestors in the desert of arabia instead of sub continent. But I respect your chosing.
#97 Posted by BeeJay on September 4, 2005 10:51:37 pm
#95 teshah
[Of course, Quran says, “Those who do not use their ‘aql’ (I could not find a suitable word for it in English) are worst than animals’.]
I suppose, Mr. Shah, it is possible to make the point that these GORAS have NO concept of aql – to the extent that they don’t even have an easy-to-find word for it! This intriguing remark of yours made me so curious that I went to your interactor page and was suitably impressed by the revelation that you are one of the original creators of (or at least pioneers for) Pakistan and that you once “had a passion for Pakistan to the extent of `Janoon`.” Out of curiosity, after Pakistan did get created, (and since you still seem to have an e-mail address from India) what was it that held you back in India so you were unable to “follow your passion?”
[In a nutshell it says that you should use ‘aql’ only to know that the prophet was truthful and then suspend it altogether. This the Muslims have actually been doing for the last over a thousand years. It is indeed surprising that they are still surviving with their aql suspended and even multiplying.]
How about turning that argument around a little bit and explaining whether YOU were doing anything different (than suspending aql) fifty nine years ago, when you were venting your “junoon” – giving birth to your passion, that incomparable flower of today – (And I don’t believe you should pass that “honorable credit” to a whole fictitious “failed generation” – shouldn’t that level of high accomplishment strictly be accorded to the individuals that were directly responsible – who brought it about with their own hands – whether high as Iqbal badshah or low as a mere Shah?!)
#96 Posted by freethinker on September 4, 2005 7:38:20 pm
teshah:
Thank you for your feedback. The theological scholars like Ghazali down to Iqbal in our own time sealed the minds of the Muslims by putting down `reason (aql)` and elevating sky high the revelation. Iqbal particularly romanticized the revelation against reason by using attractive poetical expressions like heart (dil), ishq, etc. For example:
Bey khatr kood para aatish-e-Nimrod mein ishq
Aql thi mehw-e-tamasha-e-lab-e-baam abhi
Laazam haiy dil kay saath rahey paasabaan-e-aql
Lekan kabhi kabhi issay tanha bhee chhod dey
There were few, if any, who challenged Iqbal and almost every one followed him blindly out of veneration for him. It`s about time that aql (reason, intellect) were released from subservience of revelation. One doesn`t have to inevitably accept the authority of revelation. People like you who are not afraid to question the authority of revelation and are prepared to plead the case for reason are doing the right thing, in my opinion.
Mohammad Gill
Thank you for your feedback. The theological scholars like Ghazali down to Iqbal in our own time sealed the minds of the Muslims by putting down `reason (aql)` and elevating sky high the revelation. Iqbal particularly romanticized the revelation against reason by using attractive poetical expressions like heart (dil), ishq, etc. For example:
Bey khatr kood para aatish-e-Nimrod mein ishq
Aql thi mehw-e-tamasha-e-lab-e-baam abhi
Laazam haiy dil kay saath rahey paasabaan-e-aql
Lekan kabhi kabhi issay tanha bhee chhod dey
There were few, if any, who challenged Iqbal and almost every one followed him blindly out of veneration for him. It`s about time that aql (reason, intellect) were released from subservience of revelation. One doesn`t have to inevitably accept the authority of revelation. People like you who are not afraid to question the authority of revelation and are prepared to plead the case for reason are doing the right thing, in my opinion.
Mohammad Gill
#95 Posted by teshah on September 4, 2005 6:52:48 pm
Gill
Well-done dear Gill! Your analysis is superb but what can be done to change the mindset of the Muslims when they believe that Islam is the last and ‘mukammal zabitaae hayyaat’ which aims only at life after death. Of course, Quran says, “Those who do not use their ‘aql’ (I could not find a suitable word for it in English) are worst than animals’. But what the use of ‘aql’ is meant in Islam? Just see what Imam Ghazali, one of the greatest thinkers of Islam, who was perhaps the last one to think at all as a Muslim, says about use of aql (as per Urdu translation of an excerpt from Ehyaaulalloom, vol. I, page 84):
“Aql ka nafah is qadar tum ko bas he kih who tum ko Aanhazrat ke sacha janane ki taraf hidayat kare aur aapke isharon ke mansha aur moorad samjhaawe. Pas jab yih soorat ho jaawe to iske bahd aql ko mahzool karo kih kuchh tasarraf nah kare aur itibah ko apne oopar laazam karo kionkih tumhaari salaamati ittibah se hi ho gi.”
In a nutshell it says that you should use ‘aql’ only to know that the prophet was truthful and then suspend it altogether. This the Muslims have actually been doing for the last over a thousand years. It is indeed surprising that they are still surviving with their aql suspended and even multiplying.
Well-done dear Gill! Your analysis is superb but what can be done to change the mindset of the Muslims when they believe that Islam is the last and ‘mukammal zabitaae hayyaat’ which aims only at life after death. Of course, Quran says, “Those who do not use their ‘aql’ (I could not find a suitable word for it in English) are worst than animals’. But what the use of ‘aql’ is meant in Islam? Just see what Imam Ghazali, one of the greatest thinkers of Islam, who was perhaps the last one to think at all as a Muslim, says about use of aql (as per Urdu translation of an excerpt from Ehyaaulalloom, vol. I, page 84):
“Aql ka nafah is qadar tum ko bas he kih who tum ko Aanhazrat ke sacha janane ki taraf hidayat kare aur aapke isharon ke mansha aur moorad samjhaawe. Pas jab yih soorat ho jaawe to iske bahd aql ko mahzool karo kih kuchh tasarraf nah kare aur itibah ko apne oopar laazam karo kionkih tumhaari salaamati ittibah se hi ho gi.”
In a nutshell it says that you should use ‘aql’ only to know that the prophet was truthful and then suspend it altogether. This the Muslims have actually been doing for the last over a thousand years. It is indeed surprising that they are still surviving with their aql suspended and even multiplying.
#94 Posted by teshah on September 4, 2005 6:51:35 pm
Gill
Well-done dear Gill! Your analysis is superb but what can be done to change the mindset of the Muslims when they believe that Islam is the last and ‘mukammal zabitaae hayyaat’ which aims only at life after death. Of course, Quran says, “Those who do not use their ‘aql’ (I could not find a suitable word for it in English) are worst than animals’. But what the use of ‘aql’ is meant in Islam? Just see what Imam Ghazali, one of the greatest thinkers of Islam, who was perhaps the last one to think at all as a Muslim, says about use of aql (as per Urdu translation of an excerpt from Ehyaaulalloom, vol. I, page 84):
“Aql ka nafah is qadar tum ko bas he kih who tum ko Aanhazrat ke sacha janane ki taraf hidayat kare aur aapke isharon ke mansha aur moorad samjhaawe. Pas jab yih soorat ho jaawe to iske bahd aql ko mahzool karo kih kuchh tasarraf nah kare aur itibah ko apne oopar laazam karo kionkih tumhaari salaamati ittibah se hi ho gi.”
In a nutshell it says that you should use ‘aql’ only to know that the prophet was truthful and then suspend it altogether. This the Muslims have actually been doing for the last over a thousand years. It is indeed surprising that they are still surviving with their aql suspended and even multiplying.
Well-done dear Gill! Your analysis is superb but what can be done to change the mindset of the Muslims when they believe that Islam is the last and ‘mukammal zabitaae hayyaat’ which aims only at life after death. Of course, Quran says, “Those who do not use their ‘aql’ (I could not find a suitable word for it in English) are worst than animals’. But what the use of ‘aql’ is meant in Islam? Just see what Imam Ghazali, one of the greatest thinkers of Islam, who was perhaps the last one to think at all as a Muslim, says about use of aql (as per Urdu translation of an excerpt from Ehyaaulalloom, vol. I, page 84):
“Aql ka nafah is qadar tum ko bas he kih who tum ko Aanhazrat ke sacha janane ki taraf hidayat kare aur aapke isharon ke mansha aur moorad samjhaawe. Pas jab yih soorat ho jaawe to iske bahd aql ko mahzool karo kih kuchh tasarraf nah kare aur itibah ko apne oopar laazam karo kionkih tumhaari salaamati ittibah se hi ho gi.”
In a nutshell it says that you should use ‘aql’ only to know that the prophet was truthful and then suspend it altogether. This the Muslims have actually been doing for the last over a thousand years. It is indeed surprising that they are still surviving with their aql suspended and even multiplying.
#93 Posted by Godot on September 4, 2005 3:34:19 pm
Re: # 92
Hamid
“can a person who is prejudiced against everyone, including folks from his own race and religion, be classifed as a bigot”
Maybe a “qualified” psychiatrist can shed a light on this “craziness.”
“you can accuse us of narcissism but not bigotry”
And the basis of your narcissism is?
“the doc will tell you that narcissism is caused by unconscious deficits in self-esteem as a result of the beating we recieved at the hands of bihari class mates in fifth grade”
You better check that definition again with a qualified Psychiatrist. Here, it’s BJ who appears to have forced his opponent to display severe inferiority complex.
“every time i talk to an indian he tells me that they will let us have kashmir if we also agreee to take bihar”
If that were geographically possible at all, it’s perhaps not that bad of a deal!
Hamid
“can a person who is prejudiced against everyone, including folks from his own race and religion, be classifed as a bigot”
Maybe a “qualified” psychiatrist can shed a light on this “craziness.”
“you can accuse us of narcissism but not bigotry”
And the basis of your narcissism is?
“the doc will tell you that narcissism is caused by unconscious deficits in self-esteem as a result of the beating we recieved at the hands of bihari class mates in fifth grade”
You better check that definition again with a qualified Psychiatrist. Here, it’s BJ who appears to have forced his opponent to display severe inferiority complex.
“every time i talk to an indian he tells me that they will let us have kashmir if we also agreee to take bihar”
If that were geographically possible at all, it’s perhaps not that bad of a deal!
#92 Posted by hamidm2 on September 4, 2005 1:08:16 pm
Re: # 91
godot,
......... can a person who is prejudiced against everyone, including folks from his own race and religion, be classifed as a bigot ?............. doc shankar seems to belong to this crazy, but select, group of people ........... you can accuse us of narcissism but not bigotry ...... but then, the doc will tell you that narcissism is caused by unconscious deficits in self-esteem as a result of the beating we recieved at the hands of bihari class mates in fifth grade ............. only allah know these things ..........
p.s. personally i have nothing against biharis although every time i talk to an indian he tells me that they will let us have kashmir if we also agreee to take bihar !
godot,
......... can a person who is prejudiced against everyone, including folks from his own race and religion, be classifed as a bigot ?............. doc shankar seems to belong to this crazy, but select, group of people ........... you can accuse us of narcissism but not bigotry ...... but then, the doc will tell you that narcissism is caused by unconscious deficits in self-esteem as a result of the beating we recieved at the hands of bihari class mates in fifth grade ............. only allah know these things ..........
p.s. personally i have nothing against biharis although every time i talk to an indian he tells me that they will let us have kashmir if we also agreee to take bihar !
#91 Posted by Godot on September 4, 2005 11:54:17 am
Re: # 88
Shankar
In your zeal to upstage BJ, you have resorted to diatribe reserved for the ill-bred. You have chosen to take the path of bigotry, the last resort of a coward.
One would suspect that a man of your intellect, world exposure and training in analyzing human mind would know better. Alas. While one at times finds your resorting to name-calling amusing, your posts do reveal your thought-process. One wonders if it is a good idea for a psychiatrist to drop his pants in public. From your posts a reader discovers more about you and your inner thoughts than it would have been possible if you pretended and played the game of “ignoring.”
I did not mean to interfere in the dialogue between you and BJ. BJ has proven to be not only very articulate but also exceedingly lethal. You, on the other hand, unable to match BJ’s articulation, are running for cover by taking the lowest of the low road so easily taken by the one cornered and is desperately looking for a way out.
I despise bigotry. Hence this post. There is no ethnic group whose stereotype cannot be mocked. However, a clever person attacks the individual, not the entire group, a concept that seems to have escaped an esteemed psychiatrist like yourself.
I thought they taught better in psychology classes than what you display.
Shankar
In your zeal to upstage BJ, you have resorted to diatribe reserved for the ill-bred. You have chosen to take the path of bigotry, the last resort of a coward.
One would suspect that a man of your intellect, world exposure and training in analyzing human mind would know better. Alas. While one at times finds your resorting to name-calling amusing, your posts do reveal your thought-process. One wonders if it is a good idea for a psychiatrist to drop his pants in public. From your posts a reader discovers more about you and your inner thoughts than it would have been possible if you pretended and played the game of “ignoring.”
I did not mean to interfere in the dialogue between you and BJ. BJ has proven to be not only very articulate but also exceedingly lethal. You, on the other hand, unable to match BJ’s articulation, are running for cover by taking the lowest of the low road so easily taken by the one cornered and is desperately looking for a way out.
I despise bigotry. Hence this post. There is no ethnic group whose stereotype cannot be mocked. However, a clever person attacks the individual, not the entire group, a concept that seems to have escaped an esteemed psychiatrist like yourself.
I thought they taught better in psychology classes than what you display.
#90 Posted by freethinker on September 4, 2005 7:19:27 am
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Read the following request. If any of you have any pertinent information, send it to Yvette Rosser. The Indian chowkies should put down their pens for a while, refrain from writing inane posts, and devote their time to dig in and do some research. It will be enlightening on a personal level also. With regards,
Mohammad Gill
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Also a presentation of amazing scientific accomplishments from India such
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Celestial Considerations
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Causality: Time/Space and the Fundamental Ideas of the Universe
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Your help in locating simple, straight-forward materials is most appreciated.
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From: y.r.rani@mail.utexas.edu (Yvette C. Rosser)
Date: 7 May 1995 05:55:16 GMT
From news@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu Sun May 7 01: 44:11 1995
Newsgroups: alt.hindu
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
I am sponsoring a workshop on Scientific and Technological contributions
of India. If anyone has information on this topic, please send it to me
via my email address or via snail mail listed below. Thank you.
Topics include:
Indian Contributions to Mathematics and Science
A focus on the origin of our contemporary number system and the
foundations of arithmetic.
Applications to Technology
A discussion of science in service to humanity, health, the environment
and social welfare.
Also a presentation of amazing scientific accomplishments from India such
as the Q`tab Minar pillar that remains a metallurgical mystery.
Celestial Considerations
A discussion of ancient Indian Astronomy and its early recognition of
fixed stars and an orbiting earth.
Causality: Time/Space and the Fundamental Ideas of the Universe
A discussion of connections and correlations between modern physics and
the philosophic traditions of India.
Your help in locating simple, straight-forward materials is most appreciated.
Yvette Rosser
oUTreach Asia
Center for Asian Studies
WCH 4.132, G9300
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1194
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#89 Posted by BeeJay on September 4, 2005 6:44:52 am
#88 S3
Dear S3,
Do you have ANY idea how much damage you cause to the dignity of this forum page (not to mention the overall credibility of this web site) when you take a serious issue like the “Decline of Science in the Muslim World” and – instead of becoming a positive contributor – make wholesale degrading remarks regarding vast multitudes of people (Biharis, in this case) and (I hope CC (chowk censor) is not peeking) violate every little guideline ever stipulated in the annals of this prestigious web site. It is my guess that you are trying to make your mark (sorry, Subroto’s mutt!) in the Guinness Book of World Record on how to shoot the maximum number of insulting (not to mention foolish) remarks within the shortest amount of time. Please rest assured, your remarks are treated at this end with all the respect due to them – just a little below that due to a singing mosquito – that creature we Biharis are unfortunately only TOO familiar with.
[a) Who frikkin` died & made THOU Lord Krishna?...]
Need I remind you that KRISHNA is not the topic of the present article.
[b)Who frikkin gives a rat`s rear what THOU thinks of me? ..y`see...self esteem is what one views of oneself...where did you learn youre psychology...in a madrassah? ]
Obviously YOU do give more than a rodent’s posterior – or you would not dare to show up here in spite of the humiliation recently administered to you by yours sincerely. I am not sure if human psychology is a legitimate course in a Madrassah curriculum – perhaps others on this site can shed light on that – instead of making light like you do.
[c) Who frikkin` decided that THOU... Lord Lalloo... sits at the Hindu Pearly gates of Heaven?, like St Peter`s?.... Rabri??!...if its true, I`ll definitely take my chances in Hell... ]
Please refer to the answer above to (a).
[It would do the papayas a lot of good....if thou ponders such esoteric, philosophical issues...once in a while...]
You seem to have developed an unhealthy degree of fascination regarding the size of certain body organs. I am not sure whether it results from a simple inferiority complex or whether it is a case of excessive fascination for what one lacks oneself.
Thanks for continuing to make your best possible efforts to bring dignity to the quality of discourse at this web site, within the nature-ordained and relatively limited capabilities available to you. I hope you have a good Labor day – drive carefully – there might be OTHER insane drivers out there, too!
Sincerely,
BeeJay.
#88 Posted by shankar on September 4, 2005 4:35:20 am
Re: # 78
ROTFL!!!
Yo!... Lalloo...kindly...& respectfully...dont leave your day job...you aint making it as a shrink!; bhayya...
I know..I know...guys like me are Dr Hannibal Lechter....
BUTT...
may I humbly ask you...?
a) Who frikkin` died & made THOU Lord Krishna?...
it was all downhill for us horrible hindoos...after Lord Krishna died...India was inherited by the frikkin Bihari...even Buddha...& the descendants of Lord Ram... left us...in DISGUST...cant say I blame them..
b)Who frikkin gives a rat`s rear what THOU thinks of me?..y`see...self esteem is what one views of oneself...where did you learn youre psychology...in a madrassah?
c) Who frikkin` decided that THOU... Lord Lalloo... sits at the Hindu Pearly gates of Heaven?, like St Peter`s?.... Rabri??!...if its true, I`ll definitely take my chances in Hell...
Atleast the air is clean ...& the sex is dirty...& I`ll George Burns & Lord Krishna (who Biblically KNEW every dudhwalli in Bihar)... to keep mois company....
It would do the papayas a lot of good....if thou ponders such esoteric, philosophical issues...once in a while...
its 80 in MI ...& its a lot of fun on this beautiful Labor day weekend...so until I have the pleasure of draining those giant-sized papayyas...tata!
ROTFL!!!
Yo!... Lalloo...kindly...& respectfully...dont leave your day job...you aint making it as a shrink!; bhayya...
I know..I know...guys like me are Dr Hannibal Lechter....
BUTT...
may I humbly ask you...?
a) Who frikkin` died & made THOU Lord Krishna?...
it was all downhill for us horrible hindoos...after Lord Krishna died...India was inherited by the frikkin Bihari...even Buddha...& the descendants of Lord Ram... left us...in DISGUST...cant say I blame them..
b)Who frikkin gives a rat`s rear what THOU thinks of me?..y`see...self esteem is what one views of oneself...where did you learn youre psychology...in a madrassah?
c) Who frikkin` decided that THOU... Lord Lalloo... sits at the Hindu Pearly gates of Heaven?, like St Peter`s?.... Rabri??!...if its true, I`ll definitely take my chances in Hell...
Atleast the air is clean ...& the sex is dirty...& I`ll George Burns & Lord Krishna (who Biblically KNEW every dudhwalli in Bihar)... to keep mois company....
It would do the papayas a lot of good....if thou ponders such esoteric, philosophical issues...once in a while...
its 80 in MI ...& its a lot of fun on this beautiful Labor day weekend...so until I have the pleasure of draining those giant-sized papayyas...tata!
#87 Posted by BeeJay on September 3, 2005 4:57:28 pm
#86 by Pardesi
[…Can you imagine if some how peace breaks out in middle-east, what that area can accomplish with Arab oil money and jewish talent (and their global relationship network)?]
Absolutely! But I see more than that – there are certain inspirational values associated with having a successful role model (whether a rival or a friend) nearby. There is nothing like a bit of healthy rivalry to stimulate individual talents and to get those creative juices flowing. Just the absence of a conflict can lead to major dividends for everybody in there. The same is true in the India-Pakistan situation – we are already seeing some benefits, for BOTH sides!
#86 Posted by Pardesi on September 3, 2005 4:40:02 pm
Re: # 84 BJ G
This is very impressive. Can you imagine if some how peace breaks out in middle-east, what that area can accomplish with Arab oil money and jewish talent (and their global relationship network)?
Regards.
This is very impressive. Can you imagine if some how peace breaks out in middle-east, what that area can accomplish with Arab oil money and jewish talent (and their global relationship network)?
Regards.
#85 Posted by BeeJay on September 3, 2005 4:29:18 pm
#80 Godot, #83 Hamidm2
Gentlemen, you can relax! There’s no meanness or malice behind my interacts to Dr. Shankar (to whom I fondly refer as “S3” (definition as provided before)). I am absolutely sure his intentions are equally benign (don’t be fooled by his words – I can read through those)!
Just to correct a technicality, I do not know Dr. Shankar outside of this web-site and had not paid attention to his interacts until a week or so ago.
It is my understanding that the good Doctor had a Bihari friend who used to receive the doctor’s verbal lashings rather meekly. I became intrigued by the doctor’s relentless search for his missing friend, and decided to provide him a feel for how it feels to be mauled by a lion.
Doc, no need to hide inside the bathroom any more, you can come out now!
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