Farzan Mahmood August 20, 2005
#93 Posted by KaalChakra on August 22, 2005 3:48:53 pm
re: Dalit # 90
Agree with you on that. Such sentimental attachment to physical things or even places (like Mecca/Medina) is a very Indian/Hindu thing (or so Romair has been educating us).
Personally, I am proud to put the picture of Dr. Ambedkar on the wall, with pretty flowers all around it.
Dalit ji, one sincerely hopes such pictures can be found on the walls of your house too.
Agree with you on that. Such sentimental attachment to physical things or even places (like Mecca/Medina) is a very Indian/Hindu thing (or so Romair has been educating us).
Personally, I am proud to put the picture of Dr. Ambedkar on the wall, with pretty flowers all around it.
Dalit ji, one sincerely hopes such pictures can be found on the walls of your house too.
#92 Posted by arjun_m on August 22, 2005 11:28:19 am
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#91 Posted by mannu404 on August 22, 2005 11:19:27 am
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#90 Posted by Dalit on August 22, 2005 11:14:21 am
Muslim sense of history is funky….hehehehe… Mohammed lived for 63 years most of it in Mecca. Never owned a property but house was his…..heheheh… Can Muslims declare all the pavements and streets he walked on in Mecca sacred? Hehehehe…Don’t allow any construction in Mecca…hehhehe….
The hindu type of obsession with houses and places is part of the hindu heritage muslims of India have….hehehehhe…
How long muslims are going to hide behind mosque, madrassa and the mullah….heheheheh…. they need to get over this thing about properties and Mohammed’s houses….hehehehe…he never owned one then how was that his house….he lived in many other houses owned by some other people….heheheh…none of those were his property….
If they like that house…hehehehe…take a picture and paste it on every wall…..heheheh…like hindus do….heheheh….Christians never saved the cross….hehehehe…. they made copies of it….heheheheh
#89 Posted by mannu404 on August 22, 2005 10:47:09 am
Turn mecca into a brothel, just like the good old days.
#88 Posted by Kulharee on August 22, 2005 7:30:12 am
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#87 Posted by tahmed32 on August 22, 2005 7:10:04 am
nhk: greetings. history should indeed be preserved...but not worshipped.
#86 Posted by masanamuthu on August 22, 2005 3:50:30 am
Re: # 81:
I think that the Taliban`s destruction of the Bamian buddhas was a crime.
And I think that Mahmood Ghazni`s destruction of the temples, massacre of priests and worshippers and large scale plunder was a bigger crime. It destroyed major jewels of Indian culture and history. But it is to be expected from a guy whose primary motivation was to build wealth and glory for himself, at all cost.
soccerman:
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you. But apparently treating Ghaznis/Ghoris/Aurangazeb as great heroes is common practice in Pakistan. (I`m quoting from Akbar Ahmed`s article on outlook.., and also by the naming of missiles)
But I think there is justification in what the Saudis are doing according to their understanding of the ``revealed text``. Remember even Mr.Muhammad destroyed the idols in Mecca(??). Saudis/Wahaabis are barbarians stuck in the 7th century, but atleast they are not hypocrites. I like the spread of Wahabism, so that it removes the sense of remorse/guilt from others when the time comes to wipe this dangerous cult off the planet..
I think that the Taliban`s destruction of the Bamian buddhas was a crime.
And I think that Mahmood Ghazni`s destruction of the temples, massacre of priests and worshippers and large scale plunder was a bigger crime. It destroyed major jewels of Indian culture and history. But it is to be expected from a guy whose primary motivation was to build wealth and glory for himself, at all cost.
soccerman:
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you. But apparently treating Ghaznis/Ghoris/Aurangazeb as great heroes is common practice in Pakistan. (I`m quoting from Akbar Ahmed`s article on outlook.., and also by the naming of missiles)
But I think there is justification in what the Saudis are doing according to their understanding of the ``revealed text``. Remember even Mr.Muhammad destroyed the idols in Mecca(??). Saudis/Wahaabis are barbarians stuck in the 7th century, but atleast they are not hypocrites. I like the spread of Wahabism, so that it removes the sense of remorse/guilt from others when the time comes to wipe this dangerous cult off the planet..
#85 Posted by shankar on August 21, 2005 10:47:14 pm
Re: # 32
aisha-ji,
{{The number of time Indians think they know all the answers and have the monopoly over all the logical conclusions.}}
Wow!...isnt that WONDERFUL?!
I mean...destroying Babri masjid was enough reason to give you katlus kittens....
BUTT
SOMEHOW you are REMARKABLY restrained when those Saudi PIGS are destroying the Prophet`s(pbuh) & Islam`s heritage?!
I think some of you Pakis ought to be burning some mosques in Pakistan to demonstrate your OUTRAGE against Saudi-Wahabi pigs...
Wassamatter...are their petro-dollars ...gagging your...er ``freedom of speech!!!``
Khuda Hafiz
aisha-ji,
{{The number of time Indians think they know all the answers and have the monopoly over all the logical conclusions.}}
Wow!...isnt that WONDERFUL?!
I mean...destroying Babri masjid was enough reason to give you katlus kittens....
BUTT
SOMEHOW you are REMARKABLY restrained when those Saudi PIGS are destroying the Prophet`s(pbuh) & Islam`s heritage?!
I think some of you Pakis ought to be burning some mosques in Pakistan to demonstrate your OUTRAGE against Saudi-Wahabi pigs...
Wassamatter...are their petro-dollars ...gagging your...er ``freedom of speech!!!``
Khuda Hafiz
#84 Posted by shankar on August 21, 2005 10:38:26 pm
Re: # 27
Nasbandhi,
Aaaaah!....yet another Islaaaam ka mashoor pehelwan from wrong side of border....!
{{They are a cancer on the body of Islam which needs to be removed.}}
Yup!...to that noble end.... May I HUMBLY suggest that one of you barevli/deobandi/whatever genious(es)...strap some dynamite on your body & grab a hold of a wahabi-dukkar & blow yourselves to smithereens....
....those 72 perpetually VIRGINIAL sisters are waiting...with bated breath...to welcome all you EGALITARIAN ``perfect`` religion mofos...into that narak called jannat....
then; ...at least Shias & other ``minorities`` & other REAL half-muslims can then pull out Pakistan from its gutter..
Khuda Hafiz
Nasbandhi,
Aaaaah!....yet another Islaaaam ka mashoor pehelwan from wrong side of border....!
{{They are a cancer on the body of Islam which needs to be removed.}}
Yup!...to that noble end.... May I HUMBLY suggest that one of you barevli/deobandi/whatever genious(es)...strap some dynamite on your body & grab a hold of a wahabi-dukkar & blow yourselves to smithereens....
....those 72 perpetually VIRGINIAL sisters are waiting...with bated breath...to welcome all you EGALITARIAN ``perfect`` religion mofos...into that narak called jannat....
then; ...at least Shias & other ``minorities`` & other REAL half-muslims can then pull out Pakistan from its gutter..
Khuda Hafiz
#83 Posted by shankar on August 21, 2005 10:27:47 pm
Re: # 8
ahmedmadani saheb,
Question...
Waat happens when you put Mushy & a Saudi prince in a room together for half an hour?
Answer...
1) Mushy`s nose looks 5 times BROWNER than his face...
2) His tongue is coated with sickly brown Saudi crap..
AND....
Saudi Prince has very very satisfied grin & says ``astafigarullah!!! Pakistani tongue is much much better than Any Amrikan toilet-paper...or Saudi stone....
ahmedmadani saheb,
Question...
Waat happens when you put Mushy & a Saudi prince in a room together for half an hour?
Answer...
1) Mushy`s nose looks 5 times BROWNER than his face...
2) His tongue is coated with sickly brown Saudi crap..
AND....
Saudi Prince has very very satisfied grin & says ``astafigarullah!!! Pakistani tongue is much much better than Any Amrikan toilet-paper...or Saudi stone....
#82 Posted by wcome2myworld on August 21, 2005 9:55:36 pm
Dear Mahmood,
I really appriciate your entry and concern but please do add some extra respect for us narrow minded people out here and write PBUH next to PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH)`s Name.
Thanks.
I really appriciate your entry and concern but please do add some extra respect for us narrow minded people out here and write PBUH next to PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH)`s Name.
Thanks.
#81 Posted by soccerman on August 21, 2005 9:33:04 pm
Re: # 80
I think that the Taliban`s destruction of the Bamian buddhas was a crime.
And I think that Mahmood Ghazni`s destruction of the temples, massacre of priests and worshippers and large scale plunder was a bigger crime. It destroyed major jewels of Indian culture and history. But it is to be expected from a guy whose primary motivation was to build wealth and glory for himself, at all cost.
People like Ghazni have used religion to justify their ends, and history is full of them. Like the wahabbi ideology today, he believed in a zero-sum game of divine grace and redemption. Only certain people and points of view had worth, others did not.
The muslim mystics who came to the sub-continent had a different point of view and saw commonality between Islam and other thoughts. And they did not think or speak very highly of people like Ghazni. But then wahabbis don`t like mysticism very much.
I think that the Taliban`s destruction of the Bamian buddhas was a crime.
And I think that Mahmood Ghazni`s destruction of the temples, massacre of priests and worshippers and large scale plunder was a bigger crime. It destroyed major jewels of Indian culture and history. But it is to be expected from a guy whose primary motivation was to build wealth and glory for himself, at all cost.
People like Ghazni have used religion to justify their ends, and history is full of them. Like the wahabbi ideology today, he believed in a zero-sum game of divine grace and redemption. Only certain people and points of view had worth, others did not.
The muslim mystics who came to the sub-continent had a different point of view and saw commonality between Islam and other thoughts. And they did not think or speak very highly of people like Ghazni. But then wahabbis don`t like mysticism very much.
#80 Posted by masanamuthu on August 21, 2005 9:20:12 pm
Just a question.. I`m a newcomer to Chowk and don`t know how people here reacted to thenews of destruction of Bamian Buddhas by the Taliban.
So, I assume the people who opposed the destruction of Mr.Muhammad`s house, opposed that too. Is my assumption right?. To extrapolate that, I would like to ask if they oppose Ghazni`s destruction of various temples too??.. If not, isn`t that a bit hypocritical??..
So, I assume the people who opposed the destruction of Mr.Muhammad`s house, opposed that too. Is my assumption right?. To extrapolate that, I would like to ask if they oppose Ghazni`s destruction of various temples too??.. If not, isn`t that a bit hypocritical??..
#79 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on August 21, 2005 8:59:34 pm
Farzan
Thanks. History should be preserved. Whether it is Dhows, Muhammad`s house, T E Lawrence`s uniforms or the old Arab houses with the wind-catching towers.
One can possibly live quite happily without a religion. But living without a culture, of which history is a part, is a stunted, rootless and a meaningless existance.
nhk
Thanks. History should be preserved. Whether it is Dhows, Muhammad`s house, T E Lawrence`s uniforms or the old Arab houses with the wind-catching towers.
One can possibly live quite happily without a religion. But living without a culture, of which history is a part, is a stunted, rootless and a meaningless existance.
nhk
#78 Posted by Urstruly on August 21, 2005 8:55:18 pm
I think the house must be preserved as a relic of historic importance regardless of who is saying what. People can be persuaded thru education not to use such symbols for religious puposes. Therefore, it is incumbent upon every Muslim to write to the Saudi government on the addresses that author have provided.
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