Saudi Government to Demolish Prophet Muhammed’s home

Re: # 58

The demolition is indeed in Mecca, the mention of Medina in the article is a mistake on part of the author. By the way, various media outlets are already starting to report the story.

You say:

``The news sources through which this news has been desseminated are also questionable. The Daily Times is a Quadiani mouthpiece and promotes infidel ideologies like atheism (secularism) and Quadiani agenda. Tarek Fateh is a man of questionable integrity and is a heretic who promotes homosexuality openly and contends that it is permissible in Islam. The Independent is mouthpiece of rancid right wing british neo-colonialism - those who read its articles know it very well.``

I think this the usual conspiracy theory argument. And it also conveys that everyone except the wahabbis are at fault. Because somehow the wahabbis are inherently infallible and anything they do is inherently right.

I ask you: Who made extremist wahabbis the masters of Islam? What right do they have to impose their ideology on everyone? Who gave them the right to speak for all muslims? By what right do they demolish buildings that are the common heritage of all muslims?

According to wahabis, all non-wahabis are either non-muslims or partial muslims, as you said. I think sectarianism in islam exists because of this way of thinking and not because of all the conspiracy theories of american, jewish, british, qadiani plans etc.

You say:

``If Wahabism is the culprit then how come one Wahabi - Osama Bin Laden is enemy while other Wahabis the Saudi family is ally.``

The answer is very simple: There is no honor amongst thieves! It is only a matter of time before a fanatical ideology will degenerate into violence.

Re: #57

You got your conspiracy theory as soon as you asked for it!

After 9/11 Saudi arabia was the origin of the conspiracy theory that it was a jewish plot. No wonder, I think Saudis had to come up with something. After all 19 out of 22 hijackers were Saudi wahabi terrorists.

Denial is not just the name of a river!

Re: # 58
Urstruly, How far do u sit from logic ?
{The neo-colonial powers are trying to exploit the differences among us...how come one Wahabi - Osama Bin Laden is enemy while other Wahabis the Saudi family is ally.}
How come muslims/Pakis are considered asses but Mushy is still hailed as a leader !

regds,
SN

I wish the writer had researched it a little better before putting it to the pen. The so-called Jable Omar scheme is being proposed in Mecca, whereas this article contends that somhow this scheme includes the destruction of Holy Prophet`s house in Medina, which is approximately 360 km away from the proposed scheme.

Personally, I think Saudis will never take this step although due to the continued extentsion of both mosques in two cities it must have been at the expense of old heritage. Both cities have expanded exponantially. The fear that preservation of historic relics of religious value may lead to polytheism is valid and proff of its validity is abundant around the globe, where Muslims are fully enhgaged in such vile practices as worshipping graves, living and dead personalities, and other relics. Islamic theology of any sect of Islam specifically forbids such practices and if there is any excuse in support of such practices, then they have been either invented or are extrapolated.

Personally, I don`t like the tone of this article that uses ``Wahabis`` as scapegoat for everything. The neo-colonial powers are trying to exploit the differences among us. If Wahabism is the culprit then how come one Wahabi - Osama Bin Laden is enemy while other Wahabis the Saudi family is ally. Which only means that Wahbism is irrelevant in this equation. Muslims must understand the game plan of the neo-colonial aggressors - as always it is divide and rule. The differeces - whether sectarian or ethnic are being ignited. Muslims are being used against each other. Take for example, Iraq where Sunni, Kurd, and Shia differnces have been exploited very well and that country is not only under foreign occupation but it is on the verge of triforcation. Similarly, Afghanistan is not only under occupation but the only thing that is keeping it together is 1 billion per month of military expense.

The news sources through which this news has been desseminated are also questionable. The Daily Times is a Quadiani mouthpiece and promotes infidel ideologies like atheism (secularism) and Quadiani agenda. Tarek Fateh is a man of questionable integrity and is a heretic who promotes homosexuality openly and contends that it is permissible in Islam. The Independent is mouthpiece of rancid right wing british neo-colonialism - those who read its articles know it very well.

I am surprised no one has come up with a conspiracy theory. I am sure it is the jews and American paying the Saudi boot lickers to destroy the heritage of Islam

Re: # 55

Please stop being turning a blind eye to unacceptable behavior. You are implicitly condoning it.

(Lest you get too comfortable, the wahabbis wanted to destroy the roza in the masjid e nabwi in 1920`s, the concept of Prophet`s grave inside the mosque was unacceptable to them. It was only mass protest that stopped them.)

While we comfort ourselves with such soothing words, priceless pieces of our heritage will be replaced by strip malls and parking lots. To me that is not a fair bargain. A people without a history are a people without a future.

If you can, please spread the word or ask the Saudi govt to clarify the situation.

Thank you.

#54:

relax

nothing damaging will come off this... the saudis may be able to raze this ``alleged` building...they cannot touch the `roza` in musjid e nabwi... (if you are a true believer- others don`t matter)

you just focus on following the message to the degree yhou can -- the messenger and related stuff is His responsibility...

rgds

t

How can we mobilize the Chowk community to spread the word and to take action?

I am forwarding this to my friends and to media organizations. Starting Monday we will contact the Saudi embassies.

Please post your ideas and thoughts.

thanks

Nadia Zehra #3, {``The Ottoman Empire had added to the splendor of Madina and Makkah by building religious structures of great beauty and architectural value. Richard Burton, who visited the holy shrines in 1853 AD disguised as an Afghan Muslim and adopting the Muslim name Abdullah, speaks of Madina boasting 55 mosques and holy shrines. Another English adventurer who visited Madina in 1877-1878 AD describes it as a small beautiful city resembling Istanbul. He writes about its white walls, golden slender minarets and green fields.
1924 AD Wahhabis entered Hijaz for a second time and carried out another merciless plunder and massacre. People in streets were killed. Houses were razed to the ground. Women and children too were not spared.
1925 Madina surrendered to the Wahhabi onslaught. All Islamic heritage were destroyed. The only shrine that remained intact was that of the Holy Prophet (s). :}

Thank God that in 1917, the retreating Turks took most of the portable Islamic relics back to Istanbul from Medina. It is a pleasure to appreciate this last act of gallantry by Turks in saving the treasures of Islam. You can see them all on display at the Topkapi Palace (Museum) in a special section. The Holy Prophet`s (PBUH) hair, teeth, cloak, and the swords of Ali, Osman, and others. Too bad, the Turks couldn`t bring Medina back with them. :)

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Re: # 47, Zeena {``I agree with you.Why do we protect these monsters called Saudis? Why do we enrich them by supporting their economy? Why do we even call them humans? Why do we let them destroy our heritage? ``}

Zeena,
I can understand your anger and your sadness at this tragic news. However, a people who pay no heed to individual rights, rights of minorities, compassion for others, fairness in justice, and respect for other religions are bound to suffer all of these indignities themselves. When the Saudis discriminate against Hindus in Saudi Arabia, when they inspire the Tally Ban to blow up the Buddha of Bamiyan, when they fund terrorism throughout the world, when they buy up Islam in Muslim countries through their control of mosques, imams, and madrassas, that`s when the Muslim majority should have been vocal. Now, it`s almost too late, these Saudis ``own`` Islam.

The same can be said of Pakistan in general and even Chowk. When individual liberties are squashed, when unfair treatment is meted out to dissenting interactors, when Chowk guidelines are enforced selectively, that`s when everyone should have been speaking out. When the Holy Cows of Chowk themselves get slaughtered for kababs, it will be too late.
I hope you understand.

Anyway, how are you doing? I heard about your marathon participation. I hope you finished it. That`s a great achievement. Good for you. :)

BTW, my wife is so upset at the news of the demolition of the Holy Prophet`s (PBUH) home that she is organizing some sort of protest. I reminded her that Saudis are Sunnis. :) That didn`t go over too well.

Please, please help in spreading the word about this outrage to press and to media.

Please alert the world media as well as media in the muslim world.

Please forward this article to your friends and ask them to spread the word.

Please contact the Saudi embassies and ask them to stop this carnage.

Unconfirmed news is that three of the five mosques designated for demolition have already been demolished. The Saudi authorities apparently covered the demolition sites in black tarp to hide the destruction of these invaluable historical jewels. The Prophet`s last remaining house will be destroyed quietly in this way.

Regardless of where we fall in religious ideology, these sites are the historical and cultural heritage of all people and all muslims, past, present and future. They are NOT the property of the Saudi royal family, they have been entrusted to preserve these by all muslims.

The muslim holy sites should be declared global heritage sites and protected. Obviously the Saudis motivated by their rabid ideology are not trustworthy keepers.

One thing is that the Saudi-Wahhabis spend billions and billions of dollars a year building mosques around the world - in Asia, Africa, Europe, North America - so they build the Wahabbi mosques, build Wahabbi madrassas, strangle every other form of Islam, including the gentle barelvi school practised by Pakistanis when they originally came to England - hey presto - suicide bombers and unassimilated generations brainwashed by the Wahabbis.

They have won - they have got the money - billions and billions and billions - no other school of Islam can compete against that.

Islam is screwed and so is everyone else.

Salim#46
I agree with you.Why do we protect these monsters called Saudis? Why do we enrich them by supporting their economy? Why do we even call them humans? Why do we let them destroy our heritage?
Where are those Pakistani Maulvi ,jamat-e-Islami swines?Why they don`t protest?
They do every ugly thing to suppress Pakistani women?What happened now?Why it is OK for them to demolish Mohammad`s (PBUH) house?
Saudis have no right to destroy Muslims common heritage.They are just an embarrassement for whole Muslim world.I have only one wish God should take away Saudi oil and leave them with nothing.They are so,stupids,they will committ suicide bombing.
One of their biggest terrorist is hiding in Afghani caves,idiots.

Re: # 43 Zeena,
Wahabbis, who call the religious and other shots in Saudi Arabia, are nothing more than an extreme form of Hanbalis, from whom they are derived. Hanbails are the most extreme form of Sunnism, which itself was the invention of Ommayad and Abbasid Caliphs to keep the masses under control and tolerate their ``kingdom and empire.``

Do you really expect the people, inspired by those who slaughtered the Holy Prophet`s (PBUH) family, to have any affection for his house?

By the way AL-KAYDA is an extreme form of Wahabism. :)

Ranjit

About your theory - take Sikhism - an indigenous Indian religion - in theory and on paper it is wonderful, combining the tolerance and open mindedness of Hinduism with the egalitarian spirit of Islam or Christianity - and it even acknowledges womens rights too - so on paper a wonderful message but in practice Sikhism has become as corrupted and ritualised as every other faith.

I think it is just in human nature to fail and be corrupt. Wherever Islam was born it would have failed just like every other religion ultimately fails and gets corrupted.

Islam is going through a high-profile corruption now - and by the look of it, Islam has started to eat itself. Wahhabis have not only declared war on the kaffir world, they seem to have declared war on all the non-Wahabbi Muslims too and are destroying a heritage that will never ever return and will be lost forever. Bombs in London - bulldozers in Mecca - the Wahabbi is fighting outwards and destroying inwards.