Nikka’s Pakistan

.....pretty good..........

same could be said of India....and many asian countries

My dear Rozaiba,

Excellent work as usual. Alas this is the result my friend of popular mass politics... Nikkas are dime a dozen in underdeveloped aspiring democracies and pseudo-democracies... About the elections- you are quite right the real ``rigging`` will be during the indirect election for City Nazim... but then all that is part of the process as well...

``Like an aspiring politician, he tested his muscle by breaking a law – he hosted a gathering in the middle of the road. The result was he got beaten up by the police constables and thrown in jail....``

Hold on there buddy... Oh Holy cow of mother india... Are you telling me being thrown in jail is not an achievement?

Now the orrible indoos are going to take you task man... for they supposedly won their freedom by breaking the law and going to jail... if you catch my drift.. wink

Roz:

good read:)…feel like saying welcome back…been that long?

first, let me publicly request you again to find that address for kk aziz;)

second, though i liked the general (pessimistic) tone of this article (ferozk rubbing on you too?) and acknowledging that while both of us do not love the army occupation and meddling…for today would like to focus on the last word in the culminating sentence of your article…

what is greatness?

…can you or someone define it in terms of current nations and state?

rgds

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Rozaiba, {``Much like Pakistan’s rulers, he had no visionary aspirations.``}

I hope you are referring to Pakistan`s discredited ``liberal, democratic, and progressive`` leaders such as ZAB, BB, Nawaz Sharif, etc.

Very good article.

Salim

`` Are you telling me being thrown in jail is not an achievement?
``

Hmm, going to jail for opposing a repressive regime is not an achievement? Leave alone India, what about Mandela, Steve Biko etc in South Africa? Mohammad Ali breaking the law by refusing to enlist as per draft law in the states?

Rozaiba: Great Article dude. But you owe me a favor...write one about how a certain almost illetrate Pakistani started a construction business and did well for himself to the extent that he owns his own truck, has decent disposable income and high aspirations. In our part of the world, nations constitute people who progress inspite of the government, not due to it.

Rozaiba

The analogy and point made around it are superb. Very well done and a good read

However, the ``greatness`` piece I don`t agree with. Unlike humans, nations have long lives. Historical currents are not constant. A ruinous nation can rise from ashes and a great nation can be ruined.

Re: # 5

Cheetay...

Thats not all those peeps did and leave the boxer out of it... Mandela and Steven Biko went through a lot... they were not fluff freedom fighters... they were for real and they faced real oppression... not just from the racist white masters but from some great champions of Indian race as well... Anyway... I don`t have time for this long and protracted discussion...

Re: # 6

Well said...

Individuals unfortunately can think within their own life spans...

In that respect... Rozaiba and I are an unlucky and depressed lot...

Rozaiba,

Good article.
The comparison of Nikka to Pakistan was brilliant. It was easy to read and amusing yet at the same time the underlying criticism was unmistakable and superb.

Re: # 8
//...Rozaiba and I are an unlucky and depressed lot...//

Of course, you are depressed!! Why else would anybody whine in chowk in middle of the night...........Go get some sleep......

Peddling secularism in land of jihad - what do you expect? Eternal bliss?

Unequivocally Something Good !

as i have said before, chowk is a website where self-loathing pak muslims congregate to perform mental maatam. these people are generally product of third rate western insitutions unable to contribute anything positive to society and can only lessen the pain of their painful existence by knocking down the efforts of folks resourceful enough to make a difference.

khair its a free country anf people are free to believe whatever they want even nonsense peddled by losers on third rate websites like chowk. also coincidently, sharin mazari also has a take on this election. needless to say, her conclusions are rather different:

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/


Thirteen years after my father`s death, I witnessed another member of my family contest an election but there were many differences this time round. First, it was a female member of the family (my younger sister) which was a major social upheaval for the area; and, second, this was not a parliamentary but a Union Council election. That is why it was a far more intensely personal experience. The decision taken by my sister initially had some family members up in arms because it was unheard of that a woman from the family should contest the Union Council Nazim election. Then a compromise was suggested with the opposition to ensure a ``dignified`` no-contest result. But the whole idea was to break the feudal mode and work at the grassroots level to ensure development of the area so the compromise was out. There were whispered comments about how the Balochis would never vote for a woman. In the end our assessment proved more correct -- that people simply want someone who understands their problems and will work to better the area. Since my sister, along with my mother, is not an absentee feudal but lives in the area and undertakes her own agricultural work, she had an advantage and her gender did not prove to be a disadvantage.

...In fact, my sister`s decision to contest was a reaction to thirteen years of neglect by those our village supported with thousands of votes to various seats -- from the Union Council to the National and Provincial elections.

...At the end of it all, the most outstanding feature of the elections was the commitment of the voters who withstood hours of heat and dust, and walked many miles -- since the police had confiscated all modes of public transport barring tractor trolleys -- to cast their vote.
That is why the most remarkable feature of these elections was the enthusiasm and political commitment of the voters. As long as they continue to remain politically savvy -- and they certainly were -- the future of democracy in this country is assured despite the odds.

We must do implementation of Jinnah`s vision to avoid this.

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