khurram lalani September 1, 2005
#10 Posted by kaghzan on September 6, 2005 12:19:36 pm
I once asked someone, who had picked the wallet of a half-dead man,`why?` and he gave a very simple answer, ``When a doctor demand money in advance to save lives of poor, it is ethically taken as a noble thing, if I took the money and later informed Edhi Ambulance and his kin and handed them his ID Card and Bike registration papers, the wallet mony is my fees for that job done, so why fuss about it. Obviously, if I don`t take it someone else would take it and won`t do any good. In the end, if Police Chillars find it, they will keep everything, so which is the best option you think?`` I was left without an answer.
#9 Posted by Inquirer on September 6, 2005 8:18:11 am
Khurram:
Even though your write-up has some Gorkyan intonations, it nevertheless is quite anticlimactic. One had hoped that it would be more substantive and, thus, provide a fitting raison detr for being honest and resistant to day-to-day`s petty pressures for selfishly benefitting at the cost of conscience and the society.
Notwithstanding above, you were quite successful in confirming - a millionth time again! - the criminality of the mobs, in general, and Asia, in particular.
I had hoped against hope that you would describe Yar Khan`s influence on his students or present a more substantive argument - may be his or yours - against the dictatorship of the so-called followers of the so-called God.
Even though your write-up has some Gorkyan intonations, it nevertheless is quite anticlimactic. One had hoped that it would be more substantive and, thus, provide a fitting raison detr for being honest and resistant to day-to-day`s petty pressures for selfishly benefitting at the cost of conscience and the society.
Notwithstanding above, you were quite successful in confirming - a millionth time again! - the criminality of the mobs, in general, and Asia, in particular.
I had hoped against hope that you would describe Yar Khan`s influence on his students or present a more substantive argument - may be his or yours - against the dictatorship of the so-called followers of the so-called God.
#7 Posted by mahmo_t on September 2, 2005 5:56:25 am
Allah Yar`s view on life seems logical to me. He purposely decided to become an academic(despite the high grades and background). Thus for me he shied away from a vagaries of practical life. Maybe if he had decided to get a normal job he would have realised that how difficult it is to meet ends.
I recently ready a book on `Thugees`. Basically these were consorttium of people living in the 1800`s who earned their lively hood by Shikar. Only, shikar in their case were weary travellers in central India.They used to live according to a strict code,which meant that all the travellers were killed(usually strangled with a scarf) and disposed off. The book is full of insights into a Thugee mindset. I their view hunting/killing human beings on the road was no different from hunting/killing a wild animal in the jungle!
Maybe the people looting the fallen man instead of helping him see life differently.How can Allah Yar judge them. He has not played the game yet!
I recently ready a book on `Thugees`. Basically these were consorttium of people living in the 1800`s who earned their lively hood by Shikar. Only, shikar in their case were weary travellers in central India.They used to live according to a strict code,which meant that all the travellers were killed(usually strangled with a scarf) and disposed off. The book is full of insights into a Thugee mindset. I their view hunting/killing human beings on the road was no different from hunting/killing a wild animal in the jungle!
Maybe the people looting the fallen man instead of helping him see life differently.How can Allah Yar judge them. He has not played the game yet!
#6 Posted by kaptain on September 2, 2005 5:11:41 am
as sacred as religion..the distortion which v c around is not religion but rebellion with oneself..with us..the society which lies dead and deaf altogether..
criticising religion doesn`t do any better or constructive..in other words..elect MQM..in karachi and everything is to be ok..?
but dream is all v can do except for the stock brokers who stage a rally after the crash and also after making much profits..
lament..lament..and just lament..is what is `interpreted` from Jinnah`s messages and endeavours..?
all v can do is point one finger and remaning four at us..but dont` have the intuition or discretion or the sight or insight to notice it..
criticising religion doesn`t do any better or constructive..in other words..elect MQM..in karachi and everything is to be ok..?
but dream is all v can do except for the stock brokers who stage a rally after the crash and also after making much profits..
lament..lament..and just lament..is what is `interpreted` from Jinnah`s messages and endeavours..?
all v can do is point one finger and remaning four at us..but dont` have the intuition or discretion or the sight or insight to notice it..
#5 Posted by cipram on September 1, 2005 7:26:32 pm
khurram,
I do agree with you.we are memorizing verses without knowing the meaning and if we try to
we derive meaning for our own motives
For example if a man wants second marriage , he will find out wow! `I can marry four`
we have been up to this day following ,which was told to us .but now we should use our own brain and do new experience.
We have been told this world is arze, another beautiful world is waiting for us.Man wat about this world ,look around it`s so beautiful,creator was not a fool to bless us with so many gifts.i am sure he wants us to enjoy life and explore this world.
I do agree with you.we are memorizing verses without knowing the meaning and if we try to
we derive meaning for our own motives
For example if a man wants second marriage , he will find out wow! `I can marry four`
we have been up to this day following ,which was told to us .but now we should use our own brain and do new experience.
We have been told this world is arze, another beautiful world is waiting for us.Man wat about this world ,look around it`s so beautiful,creator was not a fool to bless us with so many gifts.i am sure he wants us to enjoy life and explore this world.
#3 Posted by CKing on September 1, 2005 11:58:18 am
It is revitalizing to see that there are others out there who aren`t afraid to question religion. More good deed is done in truly analyzing ones religion then could ever be done in following it blindly. To follow blindly is identical to going through the motions which in the end means that there would be no true understanding and feeling behind any acts of faith that are pursued. If one does not know why they do something other than for the very fact that they do one does not live life freely.
#2 Posted by Rhiz on September 1, 2005 8:51:42 am
The diary is bold and thoughtful. It is inspiring to read how idealistic people can make the difference. These are special folks and we need to hold them dear and listen to their voice.
#1 Posted by Kamath on September 1, 2005 5:42:41 am
You say,``...How cruel God really is or I should say how silly a human being is. ..``
Um! Do you pour your heart in writings in Chowk about your suspicions about Allah or did you ever express such thoughts to a fellow man? In any case, be careful before you utter these feelings. I am told there are blasphemy laws in Pakistan!
Um! Do you pour your heart in writings in Chowk about your suspicions about Allah or did you ever express such thoughts to a fellow man? In any case, be careful before you utter these feelings. I am told there are blasphemy laws in Pakistan!
#8 Posted by teshah on September 3, 2005 6:42:45 pm
Re: # 1
kamath
We forget that the pre-Islamic Arab society was an extremely religion-ridden one. It had also `Blasphemy Laws` which had made the prophet of Islam run for his life. But it had also great men like Abdulmutallib and Abutaalib who believed truth and ethics above faith (Aqeeda, to be exact). They shine out even in the Islamic literature which otherwise paints the pre-Islamic society all blackish. It was in fact religion against religion and not religion against secularism or irreligiocity (disbelieve or kufr). All we know today about the conflict between the Islamic and the pre-Islamic religion is the islamic version of it alone. Nothing from an independent source.
In fact, the people in power with fascist tedencies can use any religion to terrorize its opponents with its sword of blasphemy. But truth is truth. No sword can obliterate it.
kamath
We forget that the pre-Islamic Arab society was an extremely religion-ridden one. It had also `Blasphemy Laws` which had made the prophet of Islam run for his life. But it had also great men like Abdulmutallib and Abutaalib who believed truth and ethics above faith (Aqeeda, to be exact). They shine out even in the Islamic literature which otherwise paints the pre-Islamic society all blackish. It was in fact religion against religion and not religion against secularism or irreligiocity (disbelieve or kufr). All we know today about the conflict between the Islamic and the pre-Islamic religion is the islamic version of it alone. Nothing from an independent source.
In fact, the people in power with fascist tedencies can use any religion to terrorize its opponents with its sword of blasphemy. But truth is truth. No sword can obliterate it.
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