Mullah Pat Robertson’s Fatwa

Salams Fazeel,

Nice work there bro. I recently joined this forum and you`re the first person I`m interacting with. Keep up the good work!

peAce,
GQ

Re: # 50
Thanks GQ.
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It`s always great to hear from you, and run into you are various events.
Thank you for the great work that YOU do. Please keep up the good work also.

Well, check this out. Being a bad ``mullah`` can cost you a lot of moolah, like $800,000
this is a masjid about 25 miles from me, the largest in southern California:

Fired Principal Awarded $788,000
A jury agrees there was sex discrimination in the woman`s dismissal from a Garden Grove Islamic elementary school. A cultural clash is blamed.

A Superior Court jury has ordered the Islamic Society of Orange County and two of its officials to pay the former principal of its elementary school nearly $800,000, agreeing that they discriminated against her when she was fired two years ago.

Zakiyyah Muhammad, an African American woman who converted to Islam, was fired after serving five years as principal of the Orange Crescent School in Garden Grove.

Although the jury did not have to specify what type of discrimination was involved, Ed Connor, Muhammad`s attorney, said Monday the main thrust of the case was gender bias because his client had challenged her male superiors. The jury said it found no evidence to support the separate accusation of racial bias.

``Our case was she did not fit stereotypical notions held by Muslim men of how Muslim women should act,`` he said.

Muhammad said her case showed the cultural schism that can exist between U.S.-born Islamic women who believe they are equal to men and Islamic immigrants from Asian and Middle Eastern countries, where many women are subservient.

Muhammad and Connor said they were challenging not Islam but cultural practices. Both said the religion ensures equality between the sexes.

``The revelation of the Koran is not antithetical to the Constitution of the United States,`` Muhammad said.

Barbara Fitzgerald, attorney for the defendants, said, ``The verdict is erroneous and will be corrected on appeal.`` She wouldn`t comment further.

The Superior Court jury of eight women and four men deliberated two days before reaching a verdict Friday afternoon. The jury ordered the Islamic Society, which runs the school; Dr. Fazal Mirza, president of its school board; and board treasurer Refat Abodia to pay Muhammad $788,000, which includes punitive damages of $130,000.

Shortly before bringing in their verdict, jurors sent the judge a note saying they wanted to let both sides ``know and understand that we do not consider Islam to be on trial…. We have been empowered to deliver a verdict but we are powerless to deliver peace and understanding. You must seek this elsewhere.``

In addition to discrimination, jurors found the defendants guilty of intentional infliction of emotional distress, fraud, negligence and conspiracy to defraud.

Muhammad, 60, who holds a master`s degree and doctorate from Columbia University in New York, had been involved in Islamic education most of her career. She came from Sacramento in 1998 to run Orange Crescent. The school was accredited the next year.

Muhammad charged in her suit that Mirza, the new school board president in 2003, had secretly planned to replace her with the vice principal, a Pakistani immigrant. The suit also said Mirza had reneged on an agreement giving her a new two-year contract with a raise to $65,000 a year and instead put her on probation.

Muhammad said Mirza verbally attacked her at a school board meeting and that she asked for an apology. When it never came, she asked for a hearing before the Majlis-e-Shura, the society`s governing board. Shortly afterward, on Sept. 16, 2003, she was fired.

``She did the `unthinkable,` `` Connor said. ``She questioned the authority of an elder, and she`s a woman and he`s a man. Those would never be legit reasons anywhere in the U.S. for firing her.``

A report on the firing, by the Council on Islamic Education, a group of Islamic scholars from around the country, said the decision to fire Muhammad was hasty, unethical, unprofessional and a violation of Islamic principles. The council had heard about the firing and decided to investigate, according to Muhammad`s previous attorney.

The council warned that the matter could widen a rift between immigrant and U.S.-born Muslims and ``invariably be seen as proof that immigrant Muslim communities look at African American Muslims as their inferiors.``

Re: # 50
Thanks a lot bro
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Great to know you are here GQ. Thanks for your encouragement. And PLEASE keep up the good work you do as well. Thanks

Oye Fazool!

Dehk! Dont let these Pinky come latelys tell you how to shair! As a bijniz owner in Amrika, I know it is my right to badmouth my country and its poetic institutionals! You and I see eyeball to eyeball, hain? Here is my jawaab to these socialism society pinky types:


Watch dog bark on a hot summer night,
Kill my landlord, kill my landlord,
watch dog bark, though he bite,
kill my landlord, kill my landlord,
slip in his window, break his neck,
then his house I start to wreck,
got no reason, what the heck!
kill my landlord, kill my landlord,
C-I-L-L my landlord.




Is not revolutionary, hain???

Re: # 33
Very Funny, made me laugh, Mr. Revolution
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``writer``,

re:

``But perhaps you`re not ``used to`` unusual styles, which could be due to indoctrination?``

I beg your pardon? To which ``indoctrination`` do you refer?

The Lyric Poets?
The Beats?
The Black Mountain Poets?
The Nuyoricans?
The Black Arts Movement?
The Imagists?

And...when did a fresh metaphor or the aesthetics of defamilliarization become a poem`s enemy? If you want, we could take a walk through your poem-the textual equivalent of Chucky Cheez...

Re: # 32
Name dropping? Perhaps you misunderstood all of them? Not possible, right?
~~~
The Lyric Poets?
The Beats?
The Black Mountain Poets?
The Nuyoricans?
The Black Arts Movement?
The Imagists?

``There`s no such thing as an enlightened mullah, that`s an oxymoron`` a friend said yesterday. I thought about it and said, yea, I can`t remember meeting a mullah who was enlightened
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If you like Mullah`s, I`ll just say, Mullah get your act together, stop hiding behind a mask by writing on your forehead ``religious``. We know that a ``holy`` facade cannot cover-up bad behavior. I`m not putting a ``fatwa`` on any mullah, because there is hope yet for anyone

Putting a judgemental label on someone by simply saying it`s ``bad``, without rhyme or reason, is pretty much like issueing a fatwa, no?

Re: # 32
A good cure for jealousy: Instead of having evil intention about someone else`s good, create your own good. Or if you prefer, as Gandhi said:
Be the Change you want to see in the (poetry) world.
Me, I want to see this kind of poetry. You go and write your own type of poetry. Or are you not in favor of the idea of ``live and let live``?
You can follow the writers you choose, it`s fine with me, you have my ``permission``. But don`t expect others to clone you. And when you can`t control others, don`t tell them they are wrong simply because their views or styles are ``different`` from what you perceive. What you find ``unacceptable``, is caused by your ``judgemental`` nature. For example, if I were to use your ``style``, I`d say, you have ``bad behavior``, and definitely a very ``bad attitude`` and are also a ``bad mouth``, and a ``Bad influence``, and possibly ``Bad medicine``, and a ``Bad critic``, and a eventually you will say I`m a bad human. But you know how African Americans use the word ``bad`` and ``fat``
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Re: # 32
Okay, let`s take that walk. But I don`t go for walks with someone who wants to attack me as an enemy. So if you want to go for a friendly stroll which will not be a scold, then let`s go. Also, don`t expect that you will be able to have a monologue to ``lecture`` me, instead be ready for a dialogue, and be open to the possibility that you may learn something from me also. Otherwise, go back to your own corner and write your own poem

#30, Hamid Sahib, {``salim,
..... you deserve this secret recipe for lion`s milk :
ingredients
1 oz. raki
1 oz. water``}

Now you tell me, Sir. I just finished tying my only raki on Tempy`s tender wrist. :)

Actually, in Turkey we use raki to clean the tables, then we consume delicious Efes beer. :)

Did you know that raki is probably short for araki or arak - juice?

Salim

Re: # 31
From the Qawali by Nusrat, titled ``Piala``, what happened to me
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``Hun Piala Rakh Day Ik Paasay
Aj Nazraan Naal Pila Saqi
Saada Roz Da Peena Muk Jaaway
Aj Aisa Nasha ChaRRha Saqi``

salim,


..... you deserve this secret recipe for lion`s milk :

ingredients
1 oz. raki
1 oz. water

mixing instruction
serve at room temp in lowball

sagligina !