Behind the Iron Purdah

how do you see a connection between ``honor killings, forced marriages, and domestic violence`` and islam??

arent these becuse we are a declined third world country? and whose fault is that? islam which never took part in this country or the capitalist west, whose feet our rulers have licked tirelessly for the past 60 years ????

re: Mushy`s remark about Paki women getting raped for money
I thought Paki women would want to known what their dictator thinks of them.
They say: a picture speaks a thousand words. Here are some:
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=434360
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=434358
Sridhar

#262 by hamidm2

[now if you can cure romair i will accept you as my guru ......]

I remember an old dialog from Amitabh Bachchan`s movie Laawaris and I think it applies just perfectly to Romair. Excuse the Hindi spellings.

``Hum uss kuttay ki dum hain jo baarah saal nali mein rahein, nali tedhi ho gayi, magar hum seedhe nahin huen``.

Bina,
Great stuff! Written with such incisive honesty and understanding, not to mention keen observation of negative nuances in even the most mundane seeming situations in daily life which are the result of deeply ingrained injustice against women. You make me glad that I am a Chowk member; more power to your pen, Bina, you keep going, girl!!

#254 SSS (Shrunk shrink Shankar)

Dear S3,

You need to stop playing tweedle-dee versus tweedle-dum with Hamidm!

This routine is OLD! He makes an outrageous statement – and YOU (Lord almighty!) show up as the “reasonable” counterpoint. I believe you should stick to fish (not physically, though).

If I may suggest to you, a supposed shrink, your interactions over the years reveal a deeply disturbed persona – someone who came to this chowk world wearing a thin veneer of civility and tried to maintain it for a while – until the sands of time kept grating and exposing more and more of the inner core – till it all came out – the gook, the bad, and the ugly!

Your wholesale generalization and trashing of a people (Biharis, in this case) is beyond comparison. It won’t surprise me if as a child you were traumatized by your Bihari milkman – or perhaps a Bihari school bully – at the head of a long line of bullies taking their respective turns at you. Are you sure that in your heart YOU are not a Bihari? Perhaps just a wanna-be?

Also, the way you keep harping on this “Muslim” theme (like my dear Hamidm does), may I remind you – THERE IS NO UMMAH – it’s all fictitious! These are people like you and me – perhaps some of their forefathers were yours, too!

[Men ....``in general`` are told (& bought up) to be the ``stronger sex``...its true in most cultures... Ofcourse, some cultures are more male-dominated than others (thats true of hindus too)...warriors, leaders, generals, statesmen, artists, poets are predominantly men.]
Such views are archaic and most reasonable thinkers have thrown them out of the window.

[Women are told (& bought up) that their first & foremost duty is to procreate...& raise their fertilised ova....to ``nest``...Its a ``hang-up`` that women deal with all the time.. ]
Obviously, a lot of wishful thinking! May I remind you that it takes TWO to procreate – a fact that may not have dawned upon your shrunk ness!

[One of the reasons my female patients, who have careers, are totally ``stressed out``....is because ….]
What a silly hypothesis! Of course your patients would be stressed out – they are YOUR patients, aren’t they? (Female or otherwise!)

[their ``conciense`` feels that somehow they arent doing their sociological duty (as it were) for putting their careers over children...they hate to admit it....its OTHER women that make them feel guilty...& it PISS*S them off...(kinda like Bina`s example...when the woman who was conservatively dressed...made the ``secular`` or ``modern`` muslim woman feel guilty.) ]
That’s great – spread the “guilt” brush widely – and keep those 50-minute checks rolling in! I have seen some poppycock on this site – but this takes the cake!

[..I see it in my wife too...``am I a good mother?`` is a question very frequently asked by career women...esp when they try and discipline kids!:) ]
And the reason you will NEVER tell her this crap in person is that you will get “disciplined” yourself faster than lightning!

[Yes...EDUCATION..is the KEY...it is EDUCATION that makes humans QUESTION & DEFY anachronistic attitudes of a culture ...or a nation...or a religion...]
But it does not always work – and YOU – my dear, are the namoona!

[If youre culture represses sex...you have very very wieeeerrrrd ideas about it...kinda like what every schoolboy (in Bombay..atleast) learns...ahem... ``one drop of semen =32 drops of blood``...or ``if a guy masterbates, he gets zits...or worse yet, a hernia``!!
If schoolboys in liberal Bombay (who interact with girls all the time...even way back in the 70s) learn that kinda crap....I wonder aloud what schoolboys in Waziristan or Gilgit or Jeddah learn about such...er...``blasphemous`` issues?!...the more repressed you are... the more confused (& perverted) you get....worse than that.... I wonder what GIRLS are told about such things in conservative societies?!]
I think I am finally getting a clear idea of why people from Bombay are considered such hopeless cases by so many!

[One of my patients was a very bright ``secular`` Bangladeshi college student..born & raised in a strict, conservative Islamic upbringing...I was extremely surprised that her parents had never/ever discussed sex with her...like it was some kind of sinful taboo...even to talk about it!]
Dear doc, that trend is not confined to Bangladesh – if you wake up a little and look outside your city cocoon, it holds true of most of rural India too. Also, sexuality and secularity are different animals – one rules your member while the other your mind (although in some cases – like yours – there may be clear confusion regarding the roles of the two).

[Freud`s daughter ..Anna Freud... in her seminal thesis ``Ego & the mechanisms of Defense``...said that when humans feel angry ...they ESP men) ``act-out`` their anger]
May I remind you that Freud died centuries ago. You shrinks have been treating him like your own “Allah-tala” for every little thing. Come up with some new stuff, would you?

Re: # 256

rotfl

see what i mean?

The other day on returning to India from Europe, I landed at Mumbai. We have these minibuses plying from Mumbai airport to Pune. I purchased a ticket for a ride to Pune. When I entered the bus, I found all window seats taken, so there was nothing to do but share a seat. I reached for a seat and was about to sit down, when the person sitting on the seat by the window stopped me from sitting, pointed to another seat and said ``why dont you sit there? there is a man sitting there``. The person was a woman wearing a hijab but not covering her face. I was shocked speechless, for this sort of thing just does not happen in India. The next available seat had another girl sitting by the window who readily made room for me. The hijab wearing so-and so had probably come fresh from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan after indoctrination. The conclusion is , many people visiting these countries are so brainwashed that they would like spread the retrograde thinking even to their motherland if they can help it, so if these things happen in Pakistan, Talibanisation of that society is a question of not ``if`` but ``when``

Re: # 255

That is the tragedy! Women want equal rights with humans but don`t behave like civilised human beings. They can`t do so due to their contradictory mindset; their desire to be liked and loved by the opposite sex and also to make a show off their `pak bazi` and `ismat naaki`.
This has made the Hijab women mentally abnormal in a Talibani culture, be it India or Pakistan. I saw even a woman of about 80 objecting to a young boy sitting with her in a bus in the Pak land.

#250, Gujju,
Thanks, yaar. Again, I am eternally indebted to you for exposing this hypocrite. I really appreciate your honesty in putting him in in his place.
He pontificates so much about profanity and abuse, yet is AWOL when it comes to accountability, honesty, truthfulness, and fairness.
Now you understand why we have Mulla problems in Pakistan? These self-sanctimonious padres of morality and one-sided critique are everywhere.
Thanks,
Salim

Salim...I just read yours and Godot`s merciless massacre of temporal in another thread - was hilarious as hell :()

#248, Gujju, you may not realize it, but you are responsible for the downfall of this ``brahmin`` of Chowk from his high horse. :)
Salim

Hah....any person fretting and fuming so much over the supposed credibility of an anonymous internet poster is :

A. ) A Loser
B. ) A Fool
C. ) Unemployed
D. ) All of the above....

Mr. Temporal,
Did you attend University of Colorado in Fort Collins, Colorado or Colorado State University in Boulder, Colorado?
This question is very relevant to your credibility. :)

Next time, before you accuse others, check out your facts.
Also, next time, before you post erroneous nonsense on FP, please check out your facts.

Your credibility is nosediving fast. :)

Salim

Mr. Temporal,
I must respond to you here, because on UP my responses are receiving the usual one-sided censorship treatment.

You stated about me; {``from exchanging passwrods to nicks, to hallucinating about ‘experimenting’ with us here.. being married…being a professor or teacher of some sort…indulging in experimenting with his group of friends…claiming to be a pakistani…married….managing a whore house…or was it some other joint…his hallucinations and delusions and blatant lies are sufficient for anyone to join me in saying he has no credibility``}

For a man well-advanced in years, you are expressing an unnaturally excessive interest in me, my ethnic origins, my nationality, my marital status, my educational background, my prior occupation,, and truthfulness. Please act according to your age and your gender. There are cyber trangressions that are considered much worse than profane rebuttals.

For someone who doesn`t check his facts (accusing others of actions they did not commit as confirmed by volunatry confessions of Good Samaritans, stating erroneous locations of well-known educational institutions in a Front Page article for crying out loud!), you are the last person to pontificate about CREDIBILITY.

Hopefully old age and senility will soon do you and us a huge favor. :)

Salim

#243, {``what is UP and why are people going there ? ``}

Hamindm Sahib, Do Number Walley,

UP stands for many things:
Utter Pradish - nothing to do will mooli or any other subji
United Provinces - before they created Uttar Anchal. :)
Upper Peninsula - the part of Michigan normally known as Uppa US. :)
Unplugged - a contolled environment on Chowk, where serious debate about who is who, nicwise, latest advances in cosmetics, constant whining about unemployment, low-paying jobs in caffeine merchandising, concern over the manhood of certain opponents, what to do about uncontrolled flatulence, and jealousy over other interactors` ilogs are the burning issues of the day. Debates are won by favorites by intercession with their friends on Chowk Staff. Profanity is abundant and tolerated for the ``brahmins of Chowk.`` Such is the state of affair of this site, which could be renamed as UP - Uniquely Paki. :)
Salim