33 Years and Counting

hindvi, Dost-Mittar

These things should be easy to settle. Can we collect all the information - circumstantial or otherwise - regarding the presence or absence of Indian POWs in Pakistan? Then we can derive our own individual (naturally biased) conclusions about whether there have been such prisoners or not.

dost mittar

yes this is circumstancial grounds, just like the fact that Bose`s personal secretary, (a muslim officer, i dont remeber his name) has repeatedly said that he saw him die but conspiracy theorists in india still are still citing him and searching for him.

khamkhwa
you wont get the point, even though I know where u want it, dont bother.

Re: # 27

...and your point is?

hindvi:

``Of that 7000 there isnt even a handful with conscience enough to come forward and reveal this gross injustice?

it is easy to have such a low opinion of the character of citizens of an enemy country but i dont believe all 7000 pakistanis who might have come in contact with them could have such a low conscience.``

Am I misreading your post or are you citing this as an evidence of support for the official Pakistani position that there are no such prisoners, since if there were any, one of those 7000 Pakistanis with conscience would have spoken about them?

hindvi

Yes, fake encounters happen in India. And that case was all over Indian newspapers. I hope the guilty were punished (but no one would surprised if no justice was done).

It wasnt just pankaj mishra, after that the DNA samples of the dead were sent to forensic labs in india for comparison with their relatives, the police authorities switched the samples before sending them to the labs but the idiots replaced male DNA with Female DNA, that is when the police and army (Rashtriya Rifles, i think) got caught.

All of this was highlighted in mainstream newspapers, HT, Indian-Express, Hindu et al, not just by Pankaj mishra.

Again, I don`t claim to understand people`s motivations.

To be fair to Pakistanis, there have appeared some articles in Pakistani press raising the issue of Indian POWs. They may not be on par with Pankaj Misra`s stuff. But the only thing certain about Pankaj Misra is that he writes well.

kaalchakra

bottom line is closure is difficult for those whose relatives are missing in action. This is a well documented fact in the US after each of the wars from WWII, to Korea and Vietnam. The Japanese media are still hopeful of finding soldiers from the Japanese Imperial army in the jungles of Borneo. POWs have been exchanged several times between India and Pak it doesnt make any sense that Pakistan would hand over some 100s of prisoners and keep 54 other.

khamkhwa

It`s better to talk about things that we would otherwise sweep under the rug. Both Hindvi and I are discussing the matter using whatever understanding we have.

What would anyone else expect us to do?

khamkhwa
``pakistan is in no position to accept that there are pows in it`s jails, having denied it repeatedly...the only recourse for you is to approach the un, human right groups and foreign powers...``

I Just hope all residents of pakistan are not like you, I know indians arent, we have all types here from HR orgs to leftists media who will highlight such an injustice irrespective of who commited it, else their is no hope for any prisnors in pakistani jails. Heck Pankaj Mishra did not even hesitate to expose the fake encounter of the ``Chattisinghpura massacre`` accussed who were all innocents, even in an insurgency affected state like Kashmir.

Re: # 25

Now we are talking out of common, aren`t we?

...this is a painful thread for those who are affected directly or indirectly... none of the interactors has provided any solution but as usual they are busy debating who is better...pakistan is in no position to accept that there are pows in it`s jails, having denied it repeatedly...the only recourse for you is to approach the un, human right groups and foreign powers...only when our tinpot dictator is kicked in the behind...some action for the better takes place...till next time...


....kaalchakra and hindvi....you two are pathetic...

you think 54 POWs in jail for 33 years does not have commercial value? have u heard of ``Survivor``?

Re: # 22

I don`t think you read the last sentence.
``If truth has commercial value, it will surface else it will remain.........``

Press/media comes later.

Hindvi

My view is that we should not think that all others would not behave so and so just because we ourselves would not, or because we find certain behaviors insane or ridiculously grotesque. You and I will not kill a child in cold blood. But people do. You and I will never plant bombs in bus loads of human beings, but people happily do. There are even `humans` who sacrifice their children for religious purposes. The examples are almost infinite in number. We may believe none of that, but that changes nothing.

If your point is that people should actually do much more than just write articles on Chowk (or elsewhere), I agree. They may be doing that aleady, or should be doing.

Kalihawa
have you heard of the press?, of the foreign media? of private TV channels? of letters to the Indian media, or do u think somebody who sees such an injustice will go and report it only to the govt? and we are not talking about a handful of interactors here.