Pipe Dreams?

Re: # 46

Nice map. But is there a guarantee that Pak navy submarines will not conduct their first strike on this pipeline in case a war is broke out for the liberation of Indian Oppressed kashmir.

Faruk,

The pakis have not learnt their lesson. Only when the paki society realiizes
that India is superior and has won the hot-war.intellectual war and economic
war will there be peace. Pakis think that this is just a temporary
adjustment - notice how Musharraf always refers to `Hudaibiya` etc.

Even on this list, the self styled `liberal` pretenders like tahmed, temporal etc
have been found to be closet mullahs.

Faruk,

You may find this hard to believe, but I have no desire to wish Ill for Pakistan. I hope they prosper and do well. I just want to have nothing to do with them that is all. I have no problem trading with them. Or having sporting or cultural links with them. But I will draw the line at handing them any kind of control over our energy supply.

I for one don`t have the time for our neighbours to evolve. I refuse to be held hostage to their irredentism. I think India should take a pragmatic point of view and go on ahead without them. After all, it all boils down to a trust issue. India frankly would not be able to trust this country any time soon given the decades of anti-India brainwashing that has been systamatically been carried out in this country. At this point, I would rather feel extremely uncomfortable allowing them to earn $300 Million transit fees which I know would directly go towards funding anti-India activities.

Here is some info regarding this that was collected/composed by user ``Peregrine`` in another forum. In 1994, the total project cost was $6 Billion which included spurs to Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

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``>Oman India Pipeline Project



Oman to India Pipeline Route Project
Project Description:

The proposed 1,100 km gas transmission pipeline extending from Oman to India across the Arabian Sea reaches water depths 3,500 m and crosses rugged shelf breaks on both the Indian and Oman side. A US $12 million program consisting of desk study, marine survey, data reduction and route optimisation was performed under the direction of INTEC to identify and evaluate a feasible pipeline route and alignment. In concert with the use of ultra deepwater acoustic technology, a number of specialized geo-technical and geophysical tests were performed. These included embedment tests, deepwater coring by ROV, local dredging tests by ROV and video mapping of the shelf breaks on both sides of the route. The baseline desk study was performed in 1994 and provided data valuable to the planning of the detailed route survey. In April 1994, a reconnaissance survey was performed using swath techniques to provide a side-scan mosaic of a 5 km wide corridor. The Oman landfall proved to be too irregular for the pipeline and an extensive regional survey was required before a landfall could be designated.

The route crosses the Murray Ridge/ Owen Fracture zone, but by traversing to the south of the most rugged sections, a suitable alignment was achieved. In 1995, the detailed route survey was completed which provided detailed bathymetry along a 1 km wide corridor. Deepwater coring was conducted in 1994, which resulted in the recovery of 209 cores that were subsequently laboratory tested for engineering parameters. To complete the route validation, span analysis and the risk of geo-technical hazards were quantified along the entire route.

Scope of Services:

INTEC work scope consisted of preparation of the desk study, survey specifications, survey bid preparation, evaluation of bidders overall survey supervision, management of subcontractors and selection of the route. Because of the overall length, this survey took place over a two-year period and included several mobilizations and demobilizations of personnel, vessels and equipment. INTEC also had full responsibility for logistics coordination and schedule maintenance of this program.

REFERENCES:
http://www.intec-hou.com
http://www.jpkenny.com
http://www.wassoc.com
http://www.wassoc.com/projects/oman/large/oman.html

As you are aware Saipem (Part owned by ENI)-Gazprom has built the undersea Blue Water Pipe Line. ENI has one 50 to 55,000 DWT Pipe Laying Vessel. The Intec Organization has TWO. No sir this is not a Hindi Movie synopsis. It is true.

Here is the ENI Link :

http://www.eni.it

Please check on Saipem 7,000 and Bluestream under the Operation and Strategies Heading -ENI Main Projects – Bluestream - Saipem

Now to a Deep Sea Long Distance Electric Transmission Line (if it is possible) : It should be much cheaper to lay this Transmission Line as the project would require a much smaller “Laying” Vessel” maybe a size of 20,000 DWT. As you are aware there are already Deep Sea “Communication Fibre Optic” Cables from the West Coast of India (I think the land fall is near Mumbai) to Oman and an Electric Transmission Line although heavier than a Fibre Optic Line will be a fraction – in weight terms – of a Natural Gas Deep Sea Pipe Line. As an example the Saipem 7000 semi-submersible crane vessel has the capacity to handle heavy lift operations up to 14,000 tons.

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#41 by Faruk on September 6, 2005 11:32am PT

I`m all for trade...you`re preaching to the choir here.. It`s not enough for India to be interested in trade.. It`s the pakis who keep saying they won`t trade before they get Kashmir on a platter...not just that, they make it seem like they`ll be doing India a huge favor by trading with it only if India were to hand over Indian Kashmir....

Faruk,
Which International banks do you think would risk being blacklisted by th US? I fear that ultimately GOI may put pressure on some Indian banks to finance it, which could be disasterous for our long term security situation.

Plus, Pakistan seems to have a hard time protecting their own pipelines from waring tribals, how would they guarrantee uninterupted supply to us.

#36 by Imtiaz84 on September 6, 2005 8:58am PT


Oh the pepople of so called world`s biggest democracy , let the democracy be prevail in Kashmir.


It has prevailed in Kashmir...A majority of Indians think Indian Kashmir should be part of India...and so it is..

Come to think of it..a majority of pakis think a part of Kashmir should be gifted to China and so that`s how it was...

Re: # 41

i agree. hopefully something will come out benefitting everyone.

Re: arjun_m, rshridhar, satyamvada, coolAl, harish_hyd
I think the pipeline makes a lot of sense. It’s a 7.4 billion dollars project that will have to be funded by international banks. All the countries involved (Iran, Pakistan and India) will borrow money to fund their part of the pipeline. India is not going to fund the entire project.
Energy security that you all have mentioned is something India has to develop, with alternative energy resources like rshridhar mentioned. It’s not dependent on just gas. But we need the gas for our growing needs.
The other point being raised is that Pakistan is not a reliable business partner. This is an issue the Pakistani govt. is willing to address in the form of guarantees. Apart from that it’s better for India if more Pakistani’s have a stake in peace with India.

Regards,

Faruk

Re: # 30

What we ``Hindus`` don`t have is Djinn power. That, I believe is purely YOUR domain....

Since Pakistanis have access to this cheap and inexhaustible source of energy, why do you need a pipeline?

Re: # 36

Mr. Imitiaz,
I am really disappointed by you. I thouhgt that now this is a reformed paki who thinks , beyond K-word, about engaging in other wordly important matters.
But here you go, kashmir ..... democracy ........ azadi ........ occupation ..........army in kashmir......

Mr. Hamidm,
What do you say now? Indians were jsut expressing the ground reality. The blueprint of the pipeline is not even printed and our abdul is already going ballistic about his kashmiri brothers and their watches.

Re: # 34

we just pity them. they were the weaklings of the community.

Re: # 20

I am not the person who paints all Indians to be ``Hindus``. It is Mr. Goatbrain here. I thought that it would be easier for him to understand the situation better if I spoke to him in the language that he understands....

Oh the pepople of so called world`s biggest democracy , let the democracy be prevail in Kashmir.Let the people of Occupied Kashmir decide their futur.Please hear the voice of majority in the Kashmir.Please check the time at the watch of ordinary Kashmiri, does`nt it Pakistan standard time.By the way why do you need so mcuh of army in Kashmir?The freedom movemnt in the Kashmir is ideginious .You must agree.

Re: # 34
>> Millions of of your Rajput brothers and sisters are Muslim now ...
Right. Not only that, millions of my Brahmin, Kayastha, Shudra and other brothers & sisters are
Muslims now. Gotta see how to help them out of that quagmire :)
[Though, admittedly, help wud be coming couple of centuries too late].

>> My ancestors must have done something right ;)
Okay , I think I can be pretty nasty here :)
But then the conversation will quickly go back to the Big-P of your cult, so I will refrain.

regards,
SN

RE #32

Millions of of your Rajput brothers and sisters are Muslim now and they live on both sides of the border. My ancestors must have done something right ;)

haideri

Re: # 27

``If you are a light skined Brahman then you have our blood running in your veins ;) ``

thanks god, Brahmans didn`t inherit Persian/Turk grey mater ...