Syed J Hussain September 11, 2005
#12 Posted by vivek on September 12, 2005 6:52:09 am
``There is not doubt that hegemonic, autocratic and interventionist policies of the West especially of the US in 20th century have angered many a youth in the Muslim world ``
And it was not hegemonistic when Pakistan tried to shove Taliban on Afghanistan?
And it was not hegemonistic when Pakistan tried to shove Taliban on Afghanistan?
#11 Posted by arjun_m on September 12, 2005 6:24:46 am
#6 by ballukhan on September 11, 2005 11:33pm PT
Ain`t it funny how Pakistanis try to pass off a completely revisionist version of history in which they were unwilling victims, dragged kicking and screaming into arming a militant Islamic movement and radicalizing their own population in the process...
And it`s even funnier to see the shock on their faces when nobody outside Pakistan buys that version...
Ain`t it funny how Pakistanis try to pass off a completely revisionist version of history in which they were unwilling victims, dragged kicking and screaming into arming a militant Islamic movement and radicalizing their own population in the process...
And it`s even funnier to see the shock on their faces when nobody outside Pakistan buys that version...
#10 Posted by arjun_m on September 12, 2005 6:19:30 am
WTF is this? terrorist apologia week on chowk?
Some terrorist acts in the West committed by certain extremist elements and organizations, which profess Islam and operate in the Islamic world,
Here`s why Islam gets blamed: A majority of people in (supposedly) devout Islamic Pakistan and Saudi Arabia think Osama is a hero...now if what he did was unislamic, you`d expect him to be as unpopular as, say, Ariel Sharon...but no...the ummah homies think highly of him..and spare me the BS about how this is a backlash against US policies.. the french hate US policies but they don`t like Osama..
Al-Qaeda fought in Afghanistan on behalf of the US for so many years.
Yes.. AQ was flying planes into office buildings in downtown moscow...and on behalf of the US..
There is not doubt that hegemonic, autocratic and interventionist policies of the West especially of the US in 20th century have angered many a youth in the Muslim world
Funny how the ``muslim youth`` wasn`t angered when a certain country was using a radical islamist militia to gain strategic depth into a neighbouring muslim country..
The West should note that all extremist elements in the lands of Islam are in contravention to Islamic teachings and they are not in conjunction with Islamic precepts
If Saudi Arabia held free election today and OBL was allowed to run, he`d do what Raegan did do Mondale.. you know that and I know that... OBL`s actions aren`t against Islamic teachings..maybe his methods aren`t..
Some terrorist acts in the West committed by certain extremist elements and organizations, which profess Islam and operate in the Islamic world,
Here`s why Islam gets blamed: A majority of people in (supposedly) devout Islamic Pakistan and Saudi Arabia think Osama is a hero...now if what he did was unislamic, you`d expect him to be as unpopular as, say, Ariel Sharon...but no...the ummah homies think highly of him..and spare me the BS about how this is a backlash against US policies.. the french hate US policies but they don`t like Osama..
Al-Qaeda fought in Afghanistan on behalf of the US for so many years.
Yes.. AQ was flying planes into office buildings in downtown moscow...and on behalf of the US..
There is not doubt that hegemonic, autocratic and interventionist policies of the West especially of the US in 20th century have angered many a youth in the Muslim world
Funny how the ``muslim youth`` wasn`t angered when a certain country was using a radical islamist militia to gain strategic depth into a neighbouring muslim country..
The West should note that all extremist elements in the lands of Islam are in contravention to Islamic teachings and they are not in conjunction with Islamic precepts
If Saudi Arabia held free election today and OBL was allowed to run, he`d do what Raegan did do Mondale.. you know that and I know that... OBL`s actions aren`t against Islamic teachings..maybe his methods aren`t..
#9 Posted by syedjaved on September 12, 2005 4:01:52 am
Re: # 1
Dear T. No offence taken, however, I would rather you had read the whole article and gone beyond the first paragraph. Our force of conviction is the best university which enriches our wisdom and enlightens us about our surrounding and our responsibility towards it.
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Dear T. No offence taken, however, I would rather you had read the whole article and gone beyond the first paragraph. Our force of conviction is the best university which enriches our wisdom and enlightens us about our surrounding and our responsibility towards it.
Do I have fans?
syedjaved
#8 Posted by syedjaved on September 12, 2005 3:57:45 am
Re: # 1
Dear T. No offence taken, however, I would rather you had read the whole article and gone beyond the first paragraph. Our force of conviction is the best university which enriches our wisdom and enlighten us about our surrounding and our responsibility towards it.
Do I have fans?
syedjaved
Dear T. No offence taken, however, I would rather you had read the whole article and gone beyond the first paragraph. Our force of conviction is the best university which enriches our wisdom and enlighten us about our surrounding and our responsibility towards it.
Do I have fans?
syedjaved
#7 Posted by samb on September 11, 2005 11:53:11 pm
re #1:
``…please understand the urgency of my query… i have to recommend some colleges or universities to a friend’s son….and if you help me in pin pointing your alma mater…i would eliminate that one from my list…and hopefully then i would not lose a friend…or worse a friend his son…``
wow... must say that for someone whose writing is as terrible as yours, you sure have an attitude dude. weren`t you the guy who was ripped apart by one and all for that philosophical masterpiece on the war on terror and its implications for bearded people when flying? I repeat for stress - wow... chowk is a mighty funny place.
anyway, didn`t read the article. probably won`t either.
``…please understand the urgency of my query… i have to recommend some colleges or universities to a friend’s son….and if you help me in pin pointing your alma mater…i would eliminate that one from my list…and hopefully then i would not lose a friend…or worse a friend his son…``
wow... must say that for someone whose writing is as terrible as yours, you sure have an attitude dude. weren`t you the guy who was ripped apart by one and all for that philosophical masterpiece on the war on terror and its implications for bearded people when flying? I repeat for stress - wow... chowk is a mighty funny place.
anyway, didn`t read the article. probably won`t either.
#6 Posted by ballukhan on September 11, 2005 11:33:17 pm
``Al-Qaeda fought in Afghanistan on behalf of the US for so many years. It only used Islam for rallying support for its own cause. The US and its supportive governments in Pakistan under Ziaul Haq turned blind eye on certain sections closely knit to parent Al-Qaeda organization that played havoc with people ................``
Rubbish, CIA did what Zia and his ISI asked them to do.......the original plan of equipping Jehadis and promoting the Jehad rabble rousers was of Pakistani ``intelligentsia``........the blame if any, lies squarely on Pakistani army and its ISI, infact Mush who handled those desks knows whose plan it was .................the Americans had no idea about the Afghan situation....................now these blame game are being played by the Paki army to divert the attention from their crucial role in promoting Jehadism in the region..........................
``There is not doubt that hegemonic, autocratic and interventionist policies of the West especially of the US in 20th century have angered many a youth in the Muslim world,....``
Rest of it is all crap and shows the stupidity of some of our analysts in misunderstanding America`s interests in the South Asia...America is certainly not into the mumbo jumbo of Islam Versus Christianity BS..................all this stupid analyses can only come from the Paki universities.................
`` These rules and regulations are essentially to be respected and followed by its adherents and that no compartmentalization on the lines of the Secular and the Spiritual is recognized in Islam. ``
You have stated the obvious Jehadi theocratic goals in the most oblique manner........
Need I read any further???
#5 Posted by PunnuHalwai on September 11, 2005 11:28:41 pm
I feel the crisis in Islam is of leadership. While you had selfless leaders who led the society to change and development, who practised moderation and were open minded, now there are shortsighted leaders who have very little vision, who get swayed by personal gain and momentary glorification and do endless harm to thier own community.
Another problem is that most Muslims dwell too much on thier past glory(whatever that may have been) and are unable to get over their being sidelined in todays world. True, Muslims have no say in their own affairs leave aside the affairs of the world, but it is fair to ask why has not democracy been able to strike roots in Islamic lands? Why are Muslim people not able to get a fair, representative government that can give good education, better roads, electricity and peace?
Another problem is that most Muslims dwell too much on thier past glory(whatever that may have been) and are unable to get over their being sidelined in todays world. True, Muslims have no say in their own affairs leave aside the affairs of the world, but it is fair to ask why has not democracy been able to strike roots in Islamic lands? Why are Muslim people not able to get a fair, representative government that can give good education, better roads, electricity and peace?
#4 Posted by KaalChakra on September 11, 2005 10:00:18 pm
An excellent article by a noted columnist and a professor at a foreign (American or Canadian?) university. A great hope for the future.
#3 Posted by antihypochrist on September 11, 2005 9:31:54 pm
Hocus Pocus, Mumbo Jumbo, and lots of sophistry thrown in, you have yet another article !! For Chrissakes, do NOT blame the West or the East for the dirt in your house, Mr. Syed !!
#2 Posted by Behram1 on September 11, 2005 9:26:44 pm
Re: # 1
Dear Temporal,
Well said. I could not have said it better.
As usual, respectfully submitted,
Behram B. Atashband
#1 Posted by temporal on September 11, 2005 8:58:43 pm
It is construed in certain circles of Western intelligentsia that as things had gone badly wrong in the lands of Islam as compared with Christendom in the course of twentieth century the political Islam, antagonized by the economic conditions of the masses has turned against the West, mainly Christian, for a vengeful onslaught that is relentless, coercive, unprincipled and dogmatic in nature and contents.
Syed:
where did you learn to write like this? ….an opening outburst of 64 words and like the warren commission report’s single bullet….flies above the cloud, goes low above tree tops to escape radar detection…. turns at angles like a drunk driver at high speed….in which both the car and the driver lose sense of direction and become one with the whirling dervishes…in the end achieving nirvana of sorts…where O great master wordsmith did you learn to write like this?
…it is late here and i can predict with certainty that i will have a sleepless night....in the morning i hope you or an admirer of yours would inform me of the foreign or local university which taught you to write like this?
…i sincerely hope you were not the class mate in school if not in spirits of the great romair here…ferozk i am sparing you just this once...for old time`s sake
…please understand the urgency of my query… i have to recommend some colleges or universities to a friend’s son….and if you help me in pin pointing your alma mater…i would eliminate that one from my list…and hopefully then i would not lose a friend…or worse a friend his son…
more respectfully submitted than that benevolent parsi-bawa
t
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