Get off her back…

fuzair#341:

That picture didn`t appear on my computer screen.

It could by SSG or even some paramilitary unit. What I observed was a morning double-march of some platoons who were not in full uniform. It was on shakar-parian road (off Rawalpindi Road), if that gives you any hint.

Another one bites dust:

Pak cricketer Youhana embraces Islam

Pakistan cricket star Yousuf Youhana, who was the only Christian in the team, has converted to Islam.

Ref FarzanaVersey #355

[I talked about the need for a woman`s sensibility to understand issues beyond figures...here is another example...

Women`s jamaat bats for Sania

CHENNAI: The Tamil Nadu Muslim Women’s Jamaat Committee of Pudukottai has decided to take on fellow jamaat groups that have slapped a fatwa on tennis player Sania Mirza for her on-court ``un-Islamic`` attire.

``........They’re not bothered about a girl earning pride for the country. They are making an issue out of a stupid matter,`` said committee coordinator Daud Sharifa Khanam from Pudukottai]

Ah yes. The Muslim women of a backwater town like Pudukkottai feel enboldened to speak out. Just like the women in Madurai who elected a woman as chief of their jamaat and spoke out against the Muslim males.

When can we see the same thing in Agra, Lucknow, Old Delhi, Allahabad? Or even Mahim and Byculla?

That would be tha dawn of a new India.

Re: # 355

Actually, the press in India needs as much criticism for giving these clowns the bully pulpit. Especially TOI when is basically a gossip rag and needs such stories to keep it`s circulation up (you can go from the first page to the last page in 2 minutes flat).

``Haha..these funny idiots have no idea how hard it is to get an MS Comp. Science in US for an Indian.
``

What is so hard about it????


Ajeya: Abay, who made u king to decide which Indians are Islamists and Pakis? I have a feeling u are a Paki troll pretending to be Indian just t give us a bad name.

I talked about the need for a woman`s sensibility to understand issues beyond figures...here is another example...

Women`s jamaat bats for Sania

CHENNAI: The Tamil Nadu Muslim Women’s Jamaat Committee of Pudukottai has decided to take on fellow jamaat groups that have slapped a fatwa on tennis player Sania Mirza for her on-court ``un-Islamic`` attire.

``If Islamic law says a woman is not supposed to wear such clothes, then they should know the same law also forbids dowry, alcoholism and incest. Yet the jamaat promotes dowry and even guns for a share in it. Why don’t they stop it first if they’re living by the Islamic law? They’re not bothered about a girl earning pride for the country. They are making an issue out of a stupid matter,`` said committee coordinator Daud Sharifa Khanam from Pudukottai.

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Yasser:

I had already questioned Romair`s stand in my ilog, and you and kaalchakra are right. But, let us not fight him here...he now has to deal with far worse things...

re: Mantolives # 352

I am glad someone said it. The only time other issues can be discussed independent of religion is when all discussants share broadly the same views toward religion. It`s silly to think that that can or even should be done on Chowk.

Forget about getting off Arundhati Roy`s back. When will Muslims get off the backs of the rest of the world?


From http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1951292005

Burger King recalls `sacrilegious` desserts

JOHN INNES


THE fast-food chain, Burger King, is withdrawing its ice-cream cones after the lid of the dessert offended a Muslim.

The man claimed the design resembled the Arabic inscription for Allah, and branded it sacrilegious, threatening a ``jihad``.


The chain is being forced to spend thousands of pounds redesigning the lid with backing from The Muslim Council of Britain. It apologised and said: ``The design simply represents a spinning ice-cream cone.``

The offending lid was spotted in a branch in Park Royal last week by business development manager Rashad Akhtar, 27, of High Wycombe.

He was not satisfied by the decision to withdraw the cones and has called on Muslims to boycott Burger King. He said: ``This is my jihad. How can you say it is a spinning swirl? If you spin it one way to the right you are offending Muslims.``

A Muslim Council spokesman said: ``We commend the sensitive and prompt action that Burger King has taken.``

In my absence somewhere on these board: Romair, the clueless field marshall, after writing 10 paragraphs and 5000 words about how useless the debate on secularism and religion is produced this gem:

``How about discussing economics and poetry and literature and science and business and construction and art and industry and philanthrapy and history and medicine etc. Something that people can use to raise their standard of living........ ``


People like Romair and others who follow this school of thought will never get this simple point: All of the issues mentioned above... Economics, poetry, literature, science, business, construction, art and Industry... DON`T THRIVE UNDER THEOCRACIES

Religious DOGMA closes down all these fine endeavours. Secularism in some form is required for the enhancement of all these fine fields that Romair wants to talk about...

How about Evolution... could you discuss Evolution in an Islamic country... after the 1977 coup... not a single word of EVOLUTION has been taught in any Pakistani state owned school... Lest I say more...

So get a life... Romair and his supporters...

Re: # 344

I don`t know what the purpose of the unplugged section is but let me study it and respond. I have been wanting to submit articles to the regular chowk sections but I`m too lazy to put together a coherent piece (it`s much easier to fly off in tangents as I do in my responses).

I noticed one more irony. If anyone should have been p*ssed off at the British, it should have been Indians for causing partition but ironically, the London bombers were of Pakistani descent. You would think they would have been grateful to the British for giving them a country. Go figure.

I have noticed lately that a few people have been complaining about me bringing up past misdeeds by Islamists.

Well, here’s why I bring it up.

This website has endless articles on issues that deal with India-Pakistan relationships, partition, and Kashmir. Every time, Islamists start bleating about how Hindus are so bad and oppressing the good muslims of Kashmir. This automatically brings up issues of demographics and history.

Then there are idiots like Farzana that post endless articles about how bad Modi and the Gujaratis are is, and how communal Hindus are. This brings up issues as well. Because all that we see today, started somewhere, and is relevent. Including the Partition. And the Kashmir problem. And forced conversions. And Islamic Jehadis in Kashmir. And all over India. Today. Right now.

If you don’t like talking about the past, don’t bring up these issues.

#340 by tvarad

[No example will satisfy you since it looks like we have a last word freak here.]

Ad-hominems, huh?

Okay. So I’m a last word freak.

But from your intellectual vantage point, throw us some crumbs about why the two things you are comparing are similar in scale and scope. Why does your example compare to the following example of Firoz Shah Tughlak:

“In 1360, Firoz Shah Tughlaq attacked an island on the sea-coast where ``nearly 100,000 men of Jajnagar had taken refuge with their women, children, kinsmen and relations``. The swordsmen of Islam turned ``the island into a basin of blood by the massacre of the unbelievers``. A worse fate overtook the Hindu women. Sirat-i-Firuz Shahs records: ``Women with babies and pregnant ladies were haltered, manacled, fettered and enchained, and pressed as slaves into service in the house of every soldier.``”

Give me something that compares with that.

[Suffice to say that I will give up my ``Communist`` views when you enter the 21st century. ]

Okay. “Lefty” views then.

Haha..these funny idiots have no idea how hard it is to get an MS Comp. Science in US for an Indian.

Re: #342 by burpinder

[Re #299:

Ajeya, I am laughing my a$$ off here. Have been accused of a lot of things but not of being an Islamist. To think I have been sujected to this insult just for my ``crime`` of defending hamidm!!]

I’m afraid you’ll just have to get used to it. Once an Islamist, always an Islamist.


[Now I know what Sania Mirza feels like when some bearded fcuk tells her to lengthen the hem on her skirts. ]

Why, do you wear short skirts as well?

And just calling mullahs “bearded fcuks” is not going to establish your secular credentials.


[You sad little geek, you, so proud of your ``MS in Computer Science`` aren`t ya, well, has it helped you get a life? (and don`t show me the Corolla parked in your yard). ]

Why don’t you want to see my Toyota Corolla? What’s wrong with my Toyota Corolla? Is your Toyota Corolla better than my Toyota Corolla? Huh?


[Just curious- do you sincerely beileve that your ramblings on this insignificant little website contribute in any way towards ``world peace`` or whaveter it is that beauty queens mumble these days between the swimsuit round and the crowning??!! ]

No.

[Let you in on a little secret?]

Umm……okay.

[Nobody posting here, including the author FV, is going to make the slightest fcuking difference to the world.]

No? And I was so hoping….oh well.

[Nobody is going to read your crap and awaken misty-eyed and resolve to finish the Kashmir issue once and for all. ]

Darn! How can you tell these things? Do you eat a lot of fish?

[Nobody is going to read your claims of Hindu superiority, most crystallised sometime between the time you were potty trained and your first wank, and bow down in submission and reformtheir own flawed religions as a result. Capsiche? Moron, huh? I guess we all know who that is by now. ]

No. Who is it?


[My advice, don`t try to match wits with hamidm, or stuka, or even Urstruly for that matter. You can`t win.]

Okay. Er..how does one match wits? Is it hard then?


[Plus everyone will laugh at you, and at some level, being a fellow countryman, it makes me feel bad when Pakis laugh at you. OK? ]

Thanks man.

:-(

But I’m not Paki. So I’m not a “fellow countryman”.


[Now go back to patrolling your yard and protecting your wife from all those wild-eyed fanatics who are all dying to make a martyr of you.....]

Which fanatics? Where?

God! Don’t scare me like that!

burpinder #343:

{{the ``Roy``in her name is the Western first name (like Roy Disney) not the Bengali last name (like Raja Rammohan Roy).}}

You are quite wrong – her background is a bit more complex, and far from typical for the period in which she was born. See the thumbnail biographical sketch here.

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