Get off her back…

tvarad

That`s a very interesting question you raise: why does the same bad blood not exist between Indians (of all hues) and the British/English people, as between Hindus and Muslims? Believe it or not, there is a significant amount of mutual affection between Indians and the British.

May be if we gave the matter some serious thought, we might come up with a few ways of addressing some real problems.

Would you like to take up the issue on Chowk Unplugged?

Just to clarify some misconceptions about people interacting here who seem to believe that Arundhati Roy belongs to the ``majority community``, the ``Roy``in her name is the Western first name (like Roy Disney) not the Bengali last name (like Raja Rammohan Roy).

The lady is a Christian (by birth I mean, not practice, cuz I have no idea and dun give a rats a$$), not a Hindu

Re #299:

Ajeya, I am laughing my a$$ off here. Have been accused of a lot of things but not of being an Islamist. To think I have been sujected to this insult just for my ``crime`` of defending hamidm!! Now I know what Sania Mirza feels like when some bearded fcuk tells her to lengthen the hem on her skirts.

You sad little geek, you, so proud of your ``MS in Computer Science`` aren`t ya, well, has it helped you get a life? (and don`t show me the Corolla parked in your yard). Just curious- do you sincerely beileve that your ramblings on this insignificant little website contribute in any way towards ``world peace`` or whaveter it is that beauty queens mumble these days between the swimsuit round and the crowning??!!

Let you in on a little secret? Nobody posting here, including the author FV, is going to make the slightest fcuking difference to the world. Nobody is going to read your crap and awaken misty-eyed and resolve to finish the Kashmir issue once and for all. Nobody is going to read your claims of Hindu superiority, most crystallised sometime between the time you were potty trained and your first wank, and bow down in submission and reformtheir own flawed religions as a result. Capsiche? Moron, huh? I guess we all know who that is by now.

My advice, don`t try to match wits with hamidm, or stuka, or even Urstruly for that matter. You can`t win. Plus everyone will laugh at you, and at some level, being a fellow countryman, it makes me feel bad when Pakis laugh at you. OK? Now go back to patrolling your yard and protecting your wife from all those wild-eyed fanatics who are all dying to make a martyr of you.....

RE: DM #282

I think you must have seen the SSG double timing. Its an SSG tradition that when they march past, they ``double time,`` an extrememly tiring but rather impressive looking display. Regular infantry does not double time and their march cadence does not lend itself to what I think you are describing. Take a look at the fourth picture down on this webpage. Is this what you saw?

http://www.pakmilitary.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t592.html

Re: # 335

No example will satisfy you since it looks like we have a last word freak here. Suffice to say that I will give up my ``Communist`` views when you enter the 21st century.

Re: # 325
Arjunm:

I am so glad that you have spoken directly (in #325) to Ajeya. His thinking part of India`s problem, not solution. People like Ajeya would India good if they start living in the present for the future, rather than in the past and get in rage with hatred. He must understand that 55% of Indians cannot be written off, under no pretext.

Anil

Dear Dost Mittar ji,

#332

Why are you wasting your time Sir ji? I hope you must have heard `Bhains ke aagay been bajana`. OOps sorry Farzana.

Ghalib say

Hazat-e-naaseh gar aavain deeda-o-dil farshay raah
Yeh to samjha do humain ke vo samjavain ge kaya

Samajh daar ko samjhaana bada mushkil kaam hai.

Re: #327 by hamidm2

[......... it is also obvious that she has more brains (and brawn) than all of us testosterone-charged males ...]


Brawn maybe, and a thick mustache. But no brains.

Dear Stuka ( LDJ - Laalay di Jaan )

Thanks for your effort to correct me in no uncertain terms. Can I submit a point of view Ibn-e-batuta

The origin of the term ``Hindu Kush`` (and whether it translates as ``Indian Killer``) is a point of contention. The earliest known use of this name was by the famous Arab traveller, Ibn Battūta c. 1334, who wrote: ``Another reason for our halt was fear of the snow, for on the road there is a mountain called Hindūkūsh, which means ``Slayer of Indians,`` because the slave boys and girls who are brought from India die there in large numbers as a result of the extreme cold and the quantity of snow.``

However, this interpretation is usually considered to be only a ``folk etymology.`` Numerous possibilities for its origin have been put forward; several of which are listed here:

It is the place where Hindus were slaughtered by Afghan Warlords .
that the name is a corruption of ``Caucasus Indicus.``
In modern Persian, the word ``Kush`` is derived from the verb Kushtan - to defeat, kill, or subdue. This could be interpreted as a memorial to the Indian captives who perished in the mountains while being transported to Central Asian slave markets.
that the name refers to the last great `killer` mountains to cross when moving between the Afghan plateau and the Indian subcontinent, named after the toll it took on anyone crossing them;
that the name is a corruption of Hindu Koh, from the (modern) Persian word Kuh, meaning mountain. Rennell, writing in 1793, refers to the range as the ``Hindoo-Kho or Hindoo-Kush``;
that the name means Mountains of India or Mountains of the Indus in some of the Iranian languages that are still spoken in the region; that furthermore, many peaks, mountains, and related places in the region have ``Kosh`` or ``Kush`` in their names.
that the name is a posited Avestan appellation meaning ``water mountains.``
It should be noted that the word Hindu originally referred to any inhabitant of the Indian subcontinent, or Hind, not followers of the religion as it does now. Persian (�ارسی / پارسی), (local name in Iran (Persia), Afghanistan and Tajikistan: ‘Fârsi’), ‘Pârsi’ (older local name, but still used by some speakers), Tajik (a Central Asian dialect) or Dari (another local name in Tajikistan and Afghanistan), is a language spoken in Iran (Persia), Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, western Pakistan, Bahrain, and... Map of Central Asia showing three sets of possible boundaries for the region Central Asia located as a region of the world Central Asia is a vast landlocked region of Asia. ... Persian (�ارسی / پارسی), (local name in Iran (Persia), Afghanistan and Tajikistan: ‘Fârsi’), ‘Pârsi’ (older local name, but still used by some speakers), Tajik (a Central Asian dialect) or Dari (another local name in Tajikistan and Afghanistan), is a language spoken in Iran (Persia), Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, western Pakistan, Bahrain, and... The Iranian languages are a part of the Indo-European language family. ... See Avesta Municipality for the Swedish town Yasna 28. ... Composite satellite image of the Indian subcontinent Map of South Asia. ...


This is cut and paste from encyclopedia at www.nationmaster.com.

Maih hoon google ka raja.

Thanks again Stuka. Brother take it easy.

Re: #326 by tvarad


[Have you heard of Ferdinand`s and Isabella`s pogroms against Jewish CIVILIANS during the Inquisition, or Henvy VIII along with his successors` retribution against Catholic CIVILIANS? History is replete with such massacres.]

I have. NOTHING compared to putting 30,000 men, women, and children to the sword in a few days. The comparisons are nowhere near in scale. The only comparisons would be maybe Hitler or Pol Pot.



[My knowldge of history is not as myopic as you think.]

I`ll believe it when you provide me with some appropriate comparisons to back up your claims.



[Just get that victim chip off your shoulder. It`ll do you a world of good.]

I will, as soon as you leave the Communist party.

Re:#325 by arjun_m

[HIndu whining about muslim atrocities is just as boring as muslim whining about the crusades or some shit like that...]

..which, again, is just as boring as some other hindus whining constantly about pakistan and Farzana Don Quixote Versey...

If you go back and look at my first few posts on this board, you will see that I was only RESPONDING to Salim_Chauhan`s post#185 on an earlier board (which was again boring due to similar reasons).

In any case, 99% of all posts here seem like deja vu anyway, with few people ever admitting any mistakes or misconceptions.

stuka:

There is no definitive answer to the reason for the name of hindu-kush. There are several theories, including the one you mention and the one someone else did. Here is what wikipedia has to say about this:

``The origin of the term ``Hindu Kush`` (and whether it translates as ``Indian Killer``) is a point of contention. The earliest known use of this name was by the famous Arab traveller, Ibn Battûta c. 1334, who wrote: ``Another reason for our halt was fear of the snow, for on the road there is a mountain called Hindûkûsh, which means ``Slayer of Indians,`` because the slave boys and girls who are brought from India die there in large numbers as a result of the extreme cold and the quantity of snow.``

However, this interpretation is usually considered to be only a ``folk etymology.`` Numerous possibilities for its origin have been put forward; several of which are listed here:

that the name is a corruption of ``Caucasus Indicus.``
In modern Persian, the word ``Kush`` is derived from the verb Kushtan - to defeat, kill, or subdue. This could be interpreted as a memorial to the Indian captives who perished in the mountains while being transported to Central Asian slave markets.
that the name refers to the last great `killer` mountains to cross when moving between the Afghan plateau and the Indian subcontinent, named after the toll it took on anyone crossing them;
that the name is a corruption of Hindu Koh, from the (modern) Persian word Kuh, meaning mountain. Rennell, writing in 1793, refers to the range as the ``Hindoo-Kho or Hindoo-Kush``;
that the name means Mountains of India or Mountains of the Indus in some of the Iranian languages that are still spoken in the region; that furthermore, many peaks, mountains, and related places in the region have ``Kosh`` or ``Kush`` in their names.
that the name is a posited Avestan appellation meaning ``water mountains.``

Dear Farzana:

I agree with several things you have said, but let`s first get one thing cleared and it is about people getting off someone`s back. I believe that a person does not lose his or her right to freedom of expression just because he or she belongs to majority. There is this famous expression that when one gets into the kitchen, one should be prepared for the heat. Arundhati Roy knows, or should know, that she is getting under the skin of the majority (at least the majority of educated elite of which we are all a part) and it would get a reaction. In fact, I wouldn`t be surprised if Ms Roy would be disappointed if people indeed ``got off her back.`` Now, if they had attacked her property as some people attacked M.F. Hussain`s, that would be definitely worth condemning.

When I said that she had profited from capitalism, I meant that she used a multinational publishing house to publish/promote her book. This wouldn`t be possible without the globalisation that she decries. As far as the ill effects of globalisation, such as the promotion of cigarettes, or the formula that you mention, these are motherhood issues and one does not have to have an anti-globalisation agenda to oppose such activities.

If Ms. Roy has condemned those who want to carve out a separate state on the basis of religon, I have missed it and would stand corrected.

``Would you say China is a cop-out?``

It is a copout from Marxism/Maoism.

``What are McDonald’s outlets doing in Islamic states?``
I am not aware if there is anything unislamic about McDonald`s?

``And would we then say that the Hindutvawadis who talk about Swadeshi are less hypocritical? Why do they use Boeing ‘udan khatolas’?``

I hold no brief for hindutwavadis of any kind. But from the little bit I know, they are not against ``udan khatolas``, only about the potato chip type foreign companies; this is where the extreme left and extreme right converge.

``How many of them drink the cow piss medicine they are trying to sell others?``

They are hypocritical if they don`t, unless they sell it without advertising their beneficial effects, like a teetotaler selling in a liquor shop.

``I think it is governments that are hypocritical and cowards``.
Most of us would agree with this statement.

#327 by hamidm2 on September 17, 2005 12:11pm PT


......... i must admit that you do have some credibility because of the endless hours you spend researching the press so that you can dis the poor pathetic pakis


Most of the information on the pakis isn`t exactly on page A26...it`s mostly front page news...a few blogs, a few keywords and you can find anything you want....that`s the power of collective research....

#327, {``grunting the same old message with the finesse of a neaderthal in heat .............. ``}

LOL. I just kept laughing and trying to imagine the finesse. Does your mother know you talk like that in public? :)

Ajeya #315 {``Could you name some non-Muslim rulers who put thousands of civilians - men, women, and children to the sword for the glory of his god?``}

Yes, Narendra Modi. :)

Seriously, my friend. Take it easy. I am as much against killing, torture, rape, looting, and arson as you. The examples you cited are certainly valid, but must be seen as acts of ethnic, personal, and royal greed, vengeance, and ambitions.

Tamerlane (Timur Lang) was indeed cruel, but most of his violence was performed against fellow Muslims. Timur carried away the Sultan of Turkey in a birdcage and the prisoner had to witness terrible scenes before finding relief in death. His invasion of India was against the Muslim rulers of Delhi at the time. Akbar was also known for his cruelty, and one must be fair that the last person to fight in the name of Islam would be Akbar. If Akbar had his way, he would have eliminated Islam from the realm. Do you really think that Ghaznavi, Ghori, and other conquerors were acting in the name of God or Islam? Their historians recorded/exaggerated many of their deeds and made them sound religious for public consumption, much like Dubya`s PR stuff nowadays. The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Mongol invasions, Turkish massacres of Armenians, and even the riots of 1947 were perpetrated by people who wanted to gain financially, economically, or were mainly homicidal in their nature. Let`s learn to be better than all of them.
Thanks,