Standing Alone in Mecca by Asra Q. Nomani

Urstruly (#116),

I don’t think this is what Romair is saying. You are putting words in his mouth. You need to do redo your wuzoo.

No one is suggesting that Prophet (pbuh) failed to get his message across … or that everyone around him was a crook … or that every person on this plant is dishonest.

The point is that some people are opportunists … they exploit religion for their own agenda. While most ahadith are consistent with human reasoning and Quran and other ahadith, some ahadith are indeed contradicted by Quran and other ahadith. Not all ahadith are useless; however some are fabricated, some contain honest errors, and so on. What is so difficult to understand here?

What makes you say that ullema cannot make mistakes … that they cannot become corrupt? Prophet (pbuh) reportedly stated that in the latter days the ullema of his ummah will be Allah’s vilest creatures. There you go … the man himself attested to what human history has witnessed over and over again.

Take a look around … these ullema are now divided into over 70 sects, with ongoing fatwas, and counter fatwas of kuffr from each sect against other sects. Abusive language employed by these ullema and violence between sects further attests to how corrupt this system has become.

If you fail to acknowledge this, you are indeed living a life of denial. How blind can you be?

[PS: Any news of Issa? You know, final victory can be had by the ummah only if he shows up … ]

SR/DM/Salim: if vuzoo breaks logical things to do will be:

- one who breaks vuzoo quickly moves in open air or keep moving unless escaped gas can`t reach his nose.

- All others around him, if they are in vuzoo state, should clean their noses with water...or clean their mouthes if nose is blocked due to nazla or something....taking 5 very very deep breaths to exhale any evil gases inhaled is encouraged.

- if gases escape silently....everyone can pretend as nothign happened...unless the smell is too strong...in that cases the culprit should declare loudly the breaking of vuzoo and alert other around him.

- if escape is loud and heard by everyone within 10 feet....everyone should wait next 10 seconds and then see into eyes of everyone else to reach an agreement whether re-vuzzing is required or not. If everyone`s eyes say ``phokaa si``, then no need to re-vuzoo.

SR/DM/Salim: technically vuzoo is broken of others around the ``farter`` who end up inhaling it.

Romair

So basically you are saying that the mission that Holy Prophet was charged with was a complete failure(God forbidds). He could not make even simplest arrangements for his message to get across to later generations uncorrupted and he also utterly failed in training one sigle individual lest creating a group of people who were honest and loyal; instead all the people who gathered around him were either crooks, charlatans, or dishonest opportunists. As a matter of fact every person on this planet is dishonest and every human being is utterly incapable of doing anything honest. In addition every account of Holy prophet`s life is a fabricated lie or worst it is the figment of people`s imagination. There never was law in Muslim lands. Different schools of Islamic juresprudence are just fabrication by Mullahs to please the Kings of their days and misguide Muslims from the righteous path and towards a path where they could only establish their own fiefdoms.........and list just goes on and on.

If this is your point of view then people like Daniel Pipes and Ibn-e-Warq appear to be paragons of virtue of honesty, if one compares their opinion of Islam to yours. What can I say other than that I pitty you for your extremeist point of view towards fellow human beings. This is even worst than Daniel Pipes and Salman Rushdie. Other than that I can only pray for you that may God show you the righteous path - I will try what is humanly possible and that is what God has charged us with.

Wazzoo 101 for dummies

Today, we will cover wazzoo in public restrooms.

1. Make sure that bathroom has just been spotlessly cloeaned
2. Lock the door, if you can, so others can`t get in
3. Open the hot and cold faucets all the way
4. Remove your shoes and socks
5. Roll up your sleeves
6. Flatulate forcefully to exhaust residual feeling
7. Urinate with determination to last a long time
8. Don`t forget the stone
9. Wash your hands, first the right and then the left
10. Let the water trickle down your arms and onto the counter
11. Cup your hands and splash generous amount of water on face and as much of the floor as possible
12. Do not clean your armpits
13. Wash your neck without getting your belly button wet
14. Put your right foot in the sink
15. Wash your foot without falling down
16. Put your left foot in the sink
17. Wash your foot while balancing on your wet right foot
18. Blow water out of each nostril, first the right and then the left
19. Make sure you get the wall or the person next to you with the buggers from each nostril
20. Put water in your mouth and gargle thoroughly
21. Make strange noises while gargling and don`t open door for people trying to save your life
22. Make sure the mirror, if available, has enough moisture on it so that you cannot recognize yourself
23. The counter should be moist enough for a medium sized boat to sail in it
24. Use up all the paper towels to dry every part of your wet body
25. Make sure that you don`t place the used towels in the bin - minus two points for every towel that goes in
26. Unlock the door to the restroom
27. Avoid eye contact with the disgusted person who was waiting for 20 minutes while you prepared yourself for an audience with the Almighty.
28. Avoid eating beans, drinking beer, or nihari so that you can make it to the next prayer without repeating wazzoo.

Maulana Salim ``al-Wazzoo`` Chauhan

… as if having a hereditary king was not bad enough … we now have a this king defining Islam … which fanatics like urstruly want to force on all of us.

… it used to be much simpler when ullema wrote books on women’s yoni. Can we now go back to discussing the works of naqshbandi’s sheikh??? I kinda liked what he was alluding to …

Urstruly #112: ``Hence Fatawa-e-Alamgir is invalid.``

It`s good to see that you are finally starting to see the light. Fatawa-e-Alamgiri is not only invalid because the guy was an heridatory king, passing fatwas about a religion, which itself does not recognize his kingship. It is also invalid because no one has a right to pass fatwas.

Actually anyone can pass one, but those can be rejected or accepted as people want.........

Islamic jurisprudence, itself, is an oxymoron, also. There were no schools of jurisprudence in Islam, till hundreds of years after the death of Muhammad. Hence it is a man-made idea. Quran does not mention Hanafi, Wahabi etc. In fact, the Quran lays down very few laws. It is mostly a book of stories, as well as a book that states do good, otherwise you will go to hell. And then it goes on to describe hell. Or do good and you will be in heaven. And it goes on to describe heaven..........etc.

Considering the fact that the syllabus for a single freshman law class is many times larger than the Quran, one can well imagine, that the Quran`s intention was never to be a book of jurisprudence. Thus institutionalized, ``Islamic`` jurisprudence was invented. It was not in the Quran.....

The detailed Islamic jurisprudence came into existence due to things like Fatwa-e-Alamgiri. Which were based on other previous fatwas. Which were based on previous rulings by previous imams. Which were based on books written on the Prophet and his words by people, who lived hundreds of years, after him..........

Thus nearly all Islamic jurisprudence, today, including how to wash up after one farts, is totally based on heresay, regarding what Muhammad did. It would not be permissible in any court of law in any country of the world, today.........i.e. it is nearly all man-made based on nothing that is in the Quran (since the Quran barely has anything in it; it is so small).........

Muslims thus have a few choices now:

1. They can continue running their lives according to 300-1000 year old fatwas and books written by kings and imams. Which do not allow you to wear shorts nor jeans, by the way
2. They can become athiests and just disregard the Quran, as and when they wish, and consider it man-made, like non-Muslims do
3. They can become secularists and assume that while God got the rules correct on personal life, somehow He messed up when it came to govt.
4. They can consider the Quran as the only true guide to Islam. And try to interpret it, based on the time they are in, and disregard any man-made books about hadith, fatwas etc. to be rejectable

F-e-Alamgari falls under 1. And thus is not binding. It can be followed by whomever wants to and rejected by anyone who wants to.........

Romair

I guess you are right. Alamgir should have sent the manuscript of his bill first to the paliamentary committee on legal affairs before the later would have sumbitted it to the lower house of the parliament for voting; and the bill definitely was not submitted to Senate`s Standing committe on legal affairs before it submitted it to the Senate for a vote. Alamgir bypassed all the procedure and went directly to his National Security Council and made changes in the penal and civil code. Hence Fatawa-e-Alamgir is invalid.

#110, {``LOL! A practice we had in the Punjab of old was to rinse our mouth after defecating. I could never understand the rationale for that. I am wondering if that too has any Islamic roots?``}

DM Sahib,

No sir, that is uniquely a sardarji enhancement. There may be minute anatomical variations among the followers of different religions. I think it may have to do with how the internal plumbing is structured. :)

SR:

``What I fail to understand is WHY does one have to wash hands, feet, head and face after letting out gas while there is no requirement to wash the offending part of the anatomy which is the exhaust outlet...??? Please explain...``

LOL! A practice we had in the Punjab of old was to rinse our mouth after defecating. I could never understand the rationale for that. I am wondering if that too has any Islamic roots?

Re: # 96 {``...The ritual of Wudhu or abulution is divided into several components. In Islamic lexicon these components are titled as Farz (compulsory); Sunnah (Necessary but not compulsory); Mustahib (preferred but not necessary) etc...``}

Wudhu, or as we pronounce it in La whore ``Vuzoo`` is said to break (and thus must be performed once again) if a person does one of several things... such as going to the toilet (to either defecate or micturate), having an ejaculation etc.. etc. In such instances one needs to first wash up and clean the contaminated parts of one`s anatomy before one is to do the ritual Vuzoo washing of hands, feet, head and face etc.

So far so good. But here is where my problem comes.

Some of us old foggies tend not to have as great a control on our sphincter muscles as is required to prevent the accidental escape of noxious gases. This leads to multiple rounds of Vuzoo, particularly during Isha... ok, still no problem...

What I fail to understand is WHY does one have to wash hands, feet, head and face after letting out gas while there is no requirement to wash the offending part of the anatomy which is the exhaust outlet...??? Please explain...

...SR

recap

#88 by temporal on September 15, 2005 10:20pm PT
#87:

Islam has prescribed two sets of duties upon a man, one set is called Haquq-ullah (i.e. rights of God) which covers all the praying rituals and then there are Haquq-ul Ibad (i.e. Rights of man)....

also you forgot to mention an important fact.... the latter has precedence over the former

Allah may forgive any oversight by a man or women relating to rights due to Him...but He won`t forgive any abuse of Haqooq ul ebaad

*******


# 93:

a careful read of this post says you are saying the same thing i said in # 88:

first you quote me and then say Absolutely wrong! and a few sentences later you repeat what I said..…As for Huququl-‘ibaad, He will not Forgive until the victim has forgiven, and then He may also forgive the victimizer because He has extended this right to everyone.


however by saying the following you are naoozobilah placing the restrictions on what Allah can or cannot do…not to mention an attempt to get into His mind!...naozobillah!

my understanding is this: If there is a violation of Haqooq ul eebaad, an all powerful and Omnipotent Allah says He will take a back seat…He will not forgive the violations of Haqooq ul eebad until the victim has forgiven the transgressor first... this establishes the precedence in no uncertain way


In #95 it appears rather in a convoluted and not straightforward, upfront way urstruly agrees with the precedence of Haqooq ul eebaad over Haqood Allah… “only person who has the right to grant mercy is that man`s victim of back biting…”

rgds

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Urstruly #87: ``which implies that Ijtehad was done and consensus achieved on various issues of both branches of law.``

How exactly can consensus be reached by anyone under a king? And that too a heridatory king? If I become the king of Pakistan, then, can I bring in ten people I like and approve of, and tell them to do some ijtehad, and create law? Will they ever create an Islamic against me - the king? If today Musharraf gathered fifty people and created an Islamic law, would you consider it valid?

Considering the fact that Islam outlaws heridatory kings, shouldn`t the first ijtehad carried out by these guys have stated that Aurangzeb is an illegitimate and an unIslamic ruler and should be deposed? After which any group he creates, including these ijtehadis, would become null and void auotmatically - along with any laws they created....

``The process continues to date. It is a debt upon us by our generation to continue the tradition that was given to us by Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself.``

Where exactly have we gathered this information on Holy Prophet from? If we look at the Quran, the name most mentioned is actually Moses, and not Muhammad. What about Muslims like me, who believe in the Quran, and do not follow man-made books like those created by individuals who came later, including Bukhari etc.

As I mentioned to you, I believe in following the Quran. You tend to follow other human beings and their writings, and not just the Quran. This is actually a form of Shirk - the ultimate sin in Islam..........

Re: # 98

me too!

:-)~~

Urstruly (#104):

… I am ok with Quran. It is all this other stuff you guys make up that is comedic. And while you are at it, what about Issa? Is he coming back or not? Ummah is getting tired of being humiliated by the white man, and now the chinese. Well ... we can still look down upon the black man and comfort ourselves … ”hey, at least we`re not living in the bushes …”

Coming back to it … I hear Issa is about to make an appearance … 5 to 10 years max, I am told. I personally think he is afraid to show up as he’ll have to apply for a home loan in this inflated market. And accepting money from a jew would only add insult to his injury. Maybe he is waiting for the bubble to burst …

… what do you think?

sattar

I am glad that at least you support that part of Hadud Laws which calls for flogging for fornicators and consider it a word of God.

I am extremely busy today and won`t be able to answer your contention but to give you a hint why flogging is reserved for single fornicators only and that Qura`n does not ascribe any punishment for adulterers you must understand 4:25. Try to read an urdu translation by a Muslim.