Rape of another Kind

this is very serious topic and as a Muslim it is very shamefull 4 us. i read some non serious comments 4m some members and it hurts me. as a girl i think dat if it happens 2 the girlz of those people who do this sin so,....... wat will b there reaction? will they do the same as they do with this innocent girl. are they people are not muslim who do it????? wat kind of there mentality is?????? is there no girl in there home??????? but the point is this dat where is mukhtara mai is now? where r the sinners of this act?????/ actually people r far of the teachings of Holly Quran. they donot know the meanings of islaam. there is so much respect 4 girls in islaam but in pakistan which is a islaamic country there is unfortunatelly no respect of girls.

Re: # 40

zina

My previous post was in reply to zeena`s post at 40 which I reffered inadvertantly to herv post at 41. So I repeat it hearunder for her kind consideration.

``zeena

``Any huma being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings``.

Mai is no longer a human being but the `Rape Queen` of the Pakland, the happiest woman in Mirwala. How charismatic Mastoi`s rape (alleged, of course) proved to be? They also deserve the title of `Rapist Kings` of Mirwala and can start a `Dhanda` of `consensual rape`. What a joke has all that become. The face of every individual or institution which tried to be seriously concerned with the matter got blackened. Only Mai comes out shining and happy, the envy of all the women like herself.

Re: # 41

zeena

``Any huma being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings``.

Mai is no longer a human being but the `Rape Queen` of the Pakland, the happiest woman in Mirwala. How charismatic Mastoi`s rape (alleged, of course) proved to be? They also deserve the title of `Rapist Kings` of Mirwala and can start a `Dhanda` of `consensual rape`. What a joke has all that become. The face of every individual or institution which tried to be seriously concerned with the matter got blackened. Only Mai comes out shining and happy, the envy of all the women like herself.

Re: # 11

Very well said...................I agree with your acute observations.............and the laughable part of it is that these guys have not stopped the posturing of themselves as the ``light`` of the Umaah........they first fked up the Umaah by exporting terror......then the nuclear weapons............and now the dictators are trying to export themselves as world leaders trying to solve the problems of the world (as if they have a mighty good job at home!)...........and as chief negotiators between the west and the Islamic extremists!!!

How pathetic...............when guys like YLH repeat those stupid jingoistic statements from the dictator....................

An interview with President Musharaf,in which he mentioned,``comparison between the incidence of rape in western countries and Pakistan. It’s happening everywhere, he said, and then added: “You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a money-making concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada and citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.”

I have never ever heard such a cruel statement by any person in my whole life and I am sure will never hear it again.No,human can say such a thing.I am sure,even a rapist can not say such thing.This statement makes me sick to the extent that I feel sorry fo poor Pakistanis who has such a President(head of state).

On,side note,I think Musharaf has her own daughter and wife as well.What if samething happen to them?Will he say the samething for them as well?

Mr.President you are not only wrong,but,extremely cruel and pathetic.

When ever we hear a news about RAPE in Pakistan. On interrogation, all Paki Govt. officals state,``Oh,RAPE,well this is happening everywhere in the world.More common in Western countries.`` And,by making such a stupid and cruel statement they think,their duty is over and they could easily get away with it.

Well,first of RAPE is UNDER REPORTED in Pakistan.Then,even if it is reported,is not being supported by any Govt agencies.Rather RAPISTS have a lots of support from Govt,b/c lots of RAPISTS are either Ministers,senators,army officials or they have strong connections with them.So,they easily get away with RAPE.

Pakistan is so,called Islamic nation,how can RAPE even be committed?

I am sure Pakistan has more RAPES,COMPARED to USA,b/c of ignorance and poverty.

My answer to this dumb statement is,don`t make such statement which are not only cruel,but,they are justifying and favouring RAPE.By,saying this these officials become part of rapists team.
Well,this is solely your opinion.But,I think you are also human being.So,being a member of a civil society that you are.Will you please answer only one question.If you will say (yes) to this question,then you`re not human being and if you will say (No) to my question then you are human being.
PS:-Please don`t take my question as a personal attack.In no way I am attacking you personally.Thanks
Now,May I ask you Mr/Miss teshah?
Suppose,if your sister/mother/daughter has been dragged in similar rape situation,will you say the same senseless statement as has been stated by President general Musharaf(who is forgetting that he also is father / son and brother??

I have always admired Musharaf ,but, on this statement I have changed my opinion about this man.Thanks for not arguing with me on this highly sensitive issue.
Musharaf with such a heartless statement has nerves to deny it ,now....tsk,tsk,ts
Please,do not be sarcastic about poor miserable Mukhata Mai.if,you can not say a word of sympathy,then at least refrain from favouring rapists.
I am sorry to read Musharaf`s response.
Mr.President
You see rape in a totally different perspective. You know,why I am getting impression from your response that you are Not a sensitive person at all.
Person like you can easily say anything on any crime,like rape ,murder or any other serious crime. You will say,oh,so,what it did not happen to me or my family member,I di not feel the pain,why these people who got hurt are crying and why other people are consoling them. You are very sarcastic on a rape victim.This shows how you feel about other peoples sufferings.

Any huma being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings.Thanks
Nothing more to say.

teshah#39
Please,do not be sarcastic about poor miserable Mukhata Mai.if,you can not say a word of sympathy,then at least refrain from favouring rapists.
I am sorry to read your response. You see rape in a totally different perspective. You know,why I am getting impression from your response that you are Not a sensitive person at all.
Person like you can easily say anything on any crime,like rape ,murder or any other serious crime. You will say,oh,so,what it did not happen to me or my family member,I di not feel the pain,why these people who got hurt are crying and why other people are consoling them. You are very sarcastic on a rape victim.This shows how you feel about other peoples sufferings.

Any huma being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings.Thanks
Nothing more to say.

Re: # 20

zeena

``Now,May I ask you Mr/Miss teshah?
Suppose,if your sister/mother/daughter has been dragged in similar rape situation,will you say the same senseless statement as has been stated by President general Musharaf(who is forgetting that he also is father / son and brother??``

My answer, dear zeena, is, ``I won`t be their to make statements or go to courts, etc. I would have either killed or got killed by rapists insted of sitting smug and watching my sister or daughter being dragged by the rapists``.

Rape in my view, is neither a moral or a legal issue. It is basically a political-cum-cultural issue. I belong to a petty land lord paindu Punjabi Syed family. One of my uncles was a very devilish young man who would not spare any pretty young girl of the village. Though he did not rape any girl and would have only consensual sex with them but even then the low caste people of the village would react very severely. They would burn his crop and poison his cattle if they culd not do more. One Baloch family whose sister was abducted by him even tried to kill him but got one of them killed instead by his guard. The murder case that followed had almost ruined our family.

I wonder how charismatic this rape business has become in the Pakland. It is claimed by Paky media that it was rape of Muslim women in thousands during riots in East Punjab, which contributed as a sacrifice for the establishment of Pakistan. Now they are claiming the same type of sacrifice would turn Kashmir into Pakistan. As it is, thousands of Kashmiri women are stated to have been raped but again dismissed as just a sacrifice with no justice sought for. It is only for Mukhtaran Mai for whose rape justice to her liking is being sought for despite the fact that she has been encashing her alleged rape very handsomely and to top it all, has even been garlanded with the Fatimah Jinnah Gold-medal, as a reward for her rape. What a perfidy! Mai is being virtually worshipped as a ‘Rape Queen’ like Phoolan Devi, a ‘Bandit Queen’ of India. Musharraf was in fact talking about such women only who are tarnishing the name of the noble women and the image of our country and culture.

#37 by dahmed on September 19, 2005 2:57pm PT


I must hear it from the horse`s mouth if I am to believe it beyond all doubt.


You`ve heard it from a horse`s ass, haven`t you? now you want to hear it from the horses`s mouth? That`s going to be a bit tough...he`s got his foot in there playing football with his tongue...

#12 CoolAL, thanks for your reply. But I asked for the transcript of his talk, not some quote from a website or newspaper. I found enough of those. Although there is a high probability that he did make the controversial remark, I must hear it from the horse`s mouth if I am to believe it beyond all doubt.

#35, Kulharee Sahib,
No! I am not a lawyer, Shukr Hamdolillah! :)
What I am really upset over is the complicity of ``good`` people in the rape and abuse of MukhtaraN Mai. This is NOT a case of a perverted father-in-law, a serial rapist, or a gang of outlaws. This is a panchayat, a village authority, sanctioning a punishment of an innocent women, a punishment that clearly violates the laws of Multan, of Punjab, or Pakistan, or Islam, and of humanity. Then, what evidence turned up that cause the ``wise men`` of the Lahore Court to overturn the lower court`s decision? That is the source of my problem. The Lahore Court.
Bad people do bad things. It is up to the ``good`` people to punish the bad people so that some other ``bad`` people won`t think they can get away with more ``bad`` deeds.

Mushy and Temporal are just a lot of noise created by stupid people for stupid reasons of self-flagellation.

Re: # 34

Dear Chauhan Sahib, Unlike you, I am not a lawyer but I know that there’s nothing extra-judicial about upper courts overturning the lower courts’ decisions. It happens all the time.

Some people are getting overtly emotional about it, it is not about Courts’ and Police and judicial proceedings. It is about a poor helpless Woman who was raped in the most horrific manner by a bunch of thugs, and the worst part is that instead of working towards improving the situation of women in Pakistan, some people are worried about what the world will think of us. That in literature is called head in the ass syndrome.

I agree with you that a country that is ruled by dictators for most its life has a much bigger issue on hands (like how to have a civilian rule) than worrying about a poor woman getting raped. That happens way to often in rural Pakistan for us to worry about.

#32, Kulharee {``The matter of MukhtaraN Mai is a violation of her human and civil rights, and if someone is bringing her troubles (either within Pakistan or outwith) is doing every Pakistani a big favor. ``}

If Pakistan, its government, and its people cannot provide justice for the victim, punishment for the rapists, and assurance to those who are vulnerable, then let`s pack it up irght now - we have a much bigger problem than Mushy and his auto-piloted mouth. If something as obvious and blatant as Panchayat-sanctioned public rape of a totally innocent female is not a simple, open and shut case, then we let`s fold the flag, turn out the lights in Islamabad, and open the gates at Wagah.

Mushy does not directly control the Panchayat in Multan and the judges in Lahore. There is something terribly wrong with the Lahore Court overturning the decision of the lower court. Has anybody investigated that travesty? Before we go half-cocked, seeking help from UNESCO, The Hague, and the United Auto Workers, let`s find out what broke down in Pakistan? This is not a case of complicated heart treatment that we need medical assistance from India. If we don`t have adequate judicial infrastructure in Pakistan, it is time to let the dogs out.

It pains me to see the circus act of fools showing the world that Pakistani women can`t be trusted among normal, average Pakistani men in their own home towns. I am not talking about single, serial rapists on the prowl. I am talking about Panchayats and Courts.

I said this elsewhere, but it probably also applies to this board.

Re: # 31

Dear Chauhan Sahib, What right in the world does Mushi have to talk about civil matters of Pakistan? Who gave him that right?

The matter of MukhtaraN Mai is a violation of her human and civil rights, and if someone is bringing her troubles (either within Pakistan or outwith) is doing every Pakistani a big favor. The rest of the world should know what is going on in Pakistan in terms of gender inequality and abuse of women. This exposure is a good thing. No sane person will judge Pakistan (or Pakistanis) for the horrendous acts committed by a few thugs, if anything many helping hands will be extended (and are being extended). And even if there is a bit of shame or stigma attached to being viewed as such, who the hell cares? Would you rather not have a situation where women can be helped (even on cost of the ‘image’ issue??).

I totally don’t understand your notion of activists wanting to get their photos taken with MukhtaraN Mai…. What’s such a big deal about that? Was she not raped in a most horrific way? I think the focus should be on how to prevent such things from happening in the future (and not worrying about peripheral and minor issues as to who is getting photographed with her), and there’s nothing wrong in wanting to be on the side of the victim.

Peace.

#30, Dear Axeman,
Now please be sincere. Are you and others really concerned about the prevalent cases of rape in Pakistan or do you see this as another oppotunity to beat your muzzled drums?

The circus that resulted from Mukhtar Mai`s plight was tantamount to the poor woman reliving her rape over and over again. Everyone in the who`s who of Pakistani list of goody goody two shoes wanted to be seen with her, ride with her, advise her, and be photographed with her.

I want to concentrate on the perpetrators of the rape, the panchayat ``democrats`` who sanctioned the punishment, and the local police who allowed it to take place. Finally, I want to hang the upholders of justice, the ones with the holy robes in the Court of Lahore, who overturned a lower court`s guilty verdict on these rapists. Please don`t pollute the limelight of this sacred undertaking with your own obvious agenda.

It`s not Mushy`s ugly face that needs surgery, it`s the tools of crime used by those animals in Multan and Sui.

Thanks,

As a Pakistani, I don’t need his apology. Not seeing his stupid face ever again will suffice.