Rape of another Kind

#28, Friend,
I am not defending his stupidity, which BTW is the least of his vices. :)
Obviously, he is neither a demigod nor a barometer of public opinion in Pakistan.
It is our unique misfortune that we have no alternative to a two-bit military dictator. That is the sorry state of Pakistani political development.

{``I won`t be surprised if someone uses his lines as an argument in a court case.``}

What court? Remember the Lahore court that set the perpetrators free, reversing a lower court decision? :)

Only in Pakistan can it happen that the perpetrators and organizers of sanctioned rape are set free, while a stupid man, innocent of any rape himself, is castrated for making stupid, insensitive, and uneducated remarks.

#27 Dear sir
What Mushy did was condoning ``rape``. If leader of a nation can take this position (of women getting raped to get VISA), it is not just stupidity of an individual, it shows his lack of understanding of the issues facing his nation. His nation obviously treats him like a demigod and learns from him. I won`t be surprised if someone uses his lines as an argument in a court case.

#26, I agree with your statement that example must be set from the top. If he had committed rape or had condoned rape, I would say that he should have resigned and if convicted of rape, should get the regular punishment. However, what he did was to utter stupidity, something Paki leaders are quite adept at.

Removal of Mushy will only increase the inicdents of rape (and other popular crimes). You think the Mullahs or the ``progressive liberal democrats`` give a hoot ab0ut women`s rights?

Salim #25
Example must be set from the top

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Ferocity and rage to Mushy`s behavior is really a good thing to happen. If this rage can result in something concrete (e.g. his sacking) than it would act as a deterrant to anyone trying to condone (or participate) in acts of rape, or acts of supporting rape.

Otherwise people will pay just lip service to all sermons and keep raping women.

It is amazing to notice the ferocity, determination, and rage of the reaction to Mushy`s obvious stupidity. Too bad, this comical and self-sanctimonious outrage is always missing when support is needed against the rapists and the system that shields them.

We all know that the notorious landlords and their system of abusive power, ``ownership`` over their peasants, including the peasants` wives and children, and camaraderie with the police and military are the reason for this lawlessness. For some reason, these abuses tend to be more prevalent in interior Sindh, in rural Punjab, and to some extent in NWFP and Baluchistan, where the rapes never see the light of day.

What is needed desperately is complete land reform and an end to this mentality of landowners almost having the ``right of the first night`` as in the Lords of medieval Europe. India`s curse is casteism and Pakistan`s curse is landlordism. Too bad, many of the so-called Pakistani ``activists`` belong to this land-owning class and ther real problem is never highlighted.

Stop picking on Mushy. He is just stupid, but he is not the real problem.
Dhoti se bas na chala to gadhey ke kaan moRoR liye. :)

#22 by ahmedmadani on September 18, 2005 10:17pm PT


Port G will be taking oil from central asia


Maybe you can use ``Port G`` to import maps..and some books on where the central asian oil actually is...

People are saying, asking and wondering ...

... Is this the way (by getting raped) Musharraf`s family members have got citizenships in the North America. Musharraf`s comments must be representing his family experiences.
There is a lesson for the people trying to defend these filthy creatures that our generals are more disgusting than a common man`s imagination. It is only ignorance, lack of information or deep personal interests that make one parrot praise songs for the military.
What a disgusting military high command we have, it is truly incredible.

The president has not said what all are saying. It was said by some other people and was picked by reporters to make news. As he said now all women are allowed to go to conference in west he was categorical. The prime minister made mistake and president had to cover carelessness ( taking away passport) from mai, now she can go.. He explained he did not say that, he is moderate and enlightened person and is liberal and democratic oriented thinker. President may not be saint and he is not foolish. BBC, Washington post etc english papers always magnify at such things. These are internal matters and no need for outsiders to comment. These comments inflame police and people in uniform. I think he is destined to play part in big things in world. He may play part to solve middle east conflit and can act as midman between usa ( Israel) and PLO. Today he addressed most influencial and intelluctual people of NEwYork City- brainy people- jews. And all said its his profound humanity which is driving him to solve these problems of christaina, jews and muslims and brother religion fatricide. I think time for all pakistanis to stand behind when he entered lions den and criticised all lions in newyork. I think he will give up uniform at 7 years and we will have him as a president candidate and next 4 to 5 years. So he will be atleast till 2010 and it appears Afghan trouble is not going to go so USA will back him fully. After 2011 to 2016 is too long time to predict but I predict if Afghan trouble is not settled then usa will not allow BB or ExPM or MQM Chief to return from exile. Also all exile leaders are not young after 8 years they will be old and will not be coming back.
Time to forgive and forget. Little people do not undertand the wicked west reporters and their habit of magnifying muslim leadership wrong uttrances. I agree with YLH no criticism from India as same things happen there only partial west reporters do not report bad news of India. Pakistan is under microscope. As soon Our country will be hub of oil transportation, pipe lines taking all exportable muslim oil of middleeast and transferring to China. ( India will has big pipeline but no has till kashmir problem is solved.) Port G will be taking oil from central asia and processing it and loading value added products like high speed diesel and fertilizers and huge ships will be coming and going like Dubai. There is going to be lots of water from sea ( factory is being set to make fresh water).
Any way at this time Pakistan need smart and flexible and good at words who can tackle foreign reporters and general is one of them.
All this troubles created by foreign people will be forgotten and General will set stage for higher economic growth and foreign investments. Too much talking about wrong thing in open is not good , selfcriticism is good did discretely. As if after criticism and remarks nothing changes what use of spoiling name of country.
good luck everybody.

Re: # 20

``I have always admired Musharaf ``

Really, what is there to admire about Mr. Musharraf, a criminal who broke the country law purely to usurp power, because he could.

I am surprized at the people Pakistani`s admire and tolerate, Mr. Jinnah a chalu politican
who exploited religion to achieved his sinister goals, Mr. Musharraf a criminal who breaks
the law.

#19 teshah
Well,this is solely your opinion.But,I think you are also human being.So,being a member of a civil society that you are.Will you please answer only one question.If you will say (yes) to this question,then you`re not human being and if you will say (No) to my question then you are human being.
PS:-Please don`t take my question as a personal attack.In no way I am attacking you personally.Thanks
Now,May I ask you Mr/Miss teshah?
Suppose,if your sister/mother/daughter has been dragged in similar rape situation,will you say the same senseless statement as has been stated by President general Musharaf(who is forgetting that he also is father / son and brother??

I have always admired Musharaf ,but, on this statement I have changed my opinion about this man.Thanks for not arguing with me on this highly sensitive issue.
Musharaf with such a heartless statement has nerves to deny it ,now....tsk,tsk,tsk

Naeem Sadiq

Hats off for Musharraf! He is really great. I am a critic of his wardi politics but I am all praise for his truthfulness. Bulleh Shah had said `` Sach aakhaan te bhaamarh machda``. So has happened with the statement of Musharraf about the women who have made rape a profitable business in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. If I have anything against him in this respect is that he, his show-piece PM and Ms Nilofar are responsible in no less a measure to glorify the rape of Mukhtaran Mai so as to make her a role-model for paky women like Phoolan Devi in India.

What seems quite intriguing is the silence of the paky Ullema about this hotly debated issue whereas the Idian Ullema of Deo Band have issued a vital `Fatwa` on the rape.

lies lies lies yeeeaah. . . .

and of course the next lie will be ``i don`t lie``, or what was it that nixon said? yeah. that. *rolls eyes*

BUSTED..AGAIN....

Musharraf Denies Rape Comments
Recording Shows Post Article Correctly Quoted Pakistani President

``Let me say with total sincerity that I never said that, and it has been misquoted,`` Musharraf told the women`s group. ``These are not my words, and I would go to the extent of saying I am not so silly and stupid to make comments of this sort.``

In an interview Saturday with CNN, Musharraf said that the remarks were made by someone else in his presence and not by him.

The interview was conducted by three Washington Post reporters and was tape-recorded. A review of the recording yesterday confirmed that Musharraf -- who was surrounded by aides who took notes and also recorded the interview -- was accurately quoted.

I am usually a staunch supporter of Musharraf, because inspite of all his bluntness and bluster, he means well and he has at least taken Pakistan out of a series of crises. But this time he really has gone too far with this statement, and rather than denying it he should have accepted it and attributed it to frustration and anger, or whatever, but he should have handled it differently.

Speaking of sweeping, untenable statements, here`s one from the writer of the article:

``I do not know of a single woman who chose to be raped, so that she could migrate to Canada. But I do know of many thousand men and women who chose to migrate to Canada because they did not want to be raped and end up in a hopeless and helpless situation in Pakistan.``

This is the opening paragraph! Dear sir, most people emigrate to foreign lands to escape a vicious circle of poverty and lack of opportunities. But I think anyone would be hard-pressed to find a large number of people who escape Pakistan specifically to avoid being raped! On the other hand, if you are using the word `rape` as a metaphor for a larger phenomenon of social and economic injustice, then you are right. But, considering the subject of the article, it is a bad choice of metaphor.

@Zeena,
Thank you, your support and compassion is a welcome relief. I wish there were more foreigners like you.

Regards,
Irfan.

This article was written by Naeem Sadiq, a frequent Chowk contributor. It was erroneously published under a different name. We apologize for the oversight. Eds.

wo wo wo! Mr President..................now i would like to ask......if it happens vthin your family......and we suppose to use the words as you used....then what ?