Because He Couldn’t Get It Up!

#51, {``Our men who come back home and kick our women into unconsciousness, crush them into submission, destroy them into dust – rip them and rape them – make them pulp in body and worse, in mind!

This is no Pakistani problem – if you truly believe that then you are a worse dumb-ass than even this interactor!!! This damn thing is deeply-rooted in OUR culture, its OUR thinking, its in OUR psyche, its in OUR mindset, its all OURS! We made this baby all by ourselves! ``}

Mr. Paki,
I was going to abide by my promise to refrain from using the term ``Paki`` except when it was appropriate.

Judging by your sharing of your domestic situation with all of us in a public forum, I think that THAT time has come. :)

Salim

All interactors:

Earlier I was lecturing one particular interactor regarding his more than willing acceptance of a racial slur on one of our own sub-groups and even his apparently genuine, if foolish, desire to make that slur loose its punch through overuse! (If only life were that simple!) While that interactor appears to have retreated, my thinking on that issue and the larger issue that it is part of, continued, so here it is for the crowds!

Sure the army is responsible for the current predicament – but how large is the army? A million? How many men and women other than the army – 160 million? How the heck can one person dominate 160? You tell me!

And the mullahs?! Same difference.

And the feudals?! Ditto.

And sure it’s the men’s fault – those creeps with those devastatingly damaging tools! Oh, how we would LOVE to turn everything into a man versus woman issue – it can neatly create a visible enemy and like everything else in life, practice makes perfect – so the more we criticize on that basis – the more comfortable we get with the sound of our own voices – not to mention the “soundness” of our own views. Man – the ever elusive enemy – every woman’s dream and every woman’s nightmare!

How many men and women are there in Pakistan? About 82 million to 80 million!? Is it physically possible for 82 million men to hold back 80 million women? Isn’t the current degradation mostly a result of the fact that many (too many) women ACCEPT this degradation by refusing to speak out, if afraid – or if ignorant, by even supporting it!? Or if indirectly gaining by it, by humming and hawing over it? Or if clueless, by looking for phantom enemies?

The most pernicious of degradations starts with our selves – deep down to the level of our souls! We can not solve the root problems of the world while averting our eyes from the root illnesses within our self!

What the heck is wrong with this subcontinent – this group of “gee-dars” – that opens us up to such humiliation from the world at large – and lets us take it all lying down – like we were God’s chosen people for THAT role?

We, the permanently submissive – like a low-order monkey in the monkey hieracrchy?

Whose women will get sold out as modern-day slaves before reaching double figures in age?

Whose women will get burnt – alive or not!

Whose women will get raped – of age or not!

And men – those paragons of valor! Those men in flying Ghauris!

Yes, THOSE men!

The men who will take the crummiest jobs in the world – those eternal coolies from the orient – the smiling Gangadins from the past and for the future forever – for eternity!

Those very men!

Our men who come back home and kick our women into unconsciousness, crush them into submission, destroy them into dust – rip them and rape them – make them pulp in body and worse, in mind!

This is no Pakistani problem – if you truly believe that then you are a worse dumb-ass than even this interactor!!! This damn thing is deeply-rooted in OUR culture, its OUR thinking, its in OUR psyche, its in OUR mindset, its all OURS! We made this baby all by ourselves!

This baby is all OURS!

Yours and mine!

# 31:

…with respect…please try to stay above the fray…read the message first and ignore the messenger…

as i read the thread this morning brother urstruly has partially answered in the end paragraph of #31…don’t feel like adding anything more to it at the moment

rgds

t

behram 29:


Are there any laws regarding punishment to a rapist?

bawa-ji laws are coming out of our ears!

my lament is for the will to implement the intentions of the laws (btw this applies to any law in pakistan)


submitted even more humbly,

t

#47, Beej {``To put it another way, while you and perhaps others may subscribe to the novel theory that wallowing in human excrement ...
In any case, blind emulation of another group is never a good idea``}

Beej,
Sir, again please accept my apologies. I never realized that Paki had the connotation of human excrement? Did the Brits know this or did they perhaps create this linkage? I will refrain then from using this smelly term for I do not wish to allude that you or anyone else of your ethnic or racial background can be equated to such an odorous substance.

As for blind emulation, I totally agree with you. That is why I never followed the Saudi or Wahabbi mantra hook, line, and sinker.

Please notice my exit wish to you.

Khuda Hafiz

#43 Salim_Chauhan

I perhaps thanked you a little bit prematurely, since you appear to be developing cold feet on your commitment already.

The bottom line is that the term of address needs to be acceptable to every recipient that one directs it to. I have a feeling that most of your intended recipients of the “Paki” term will not share your ardor for this essentially racial slur.

There may be a very small fraction of African Americans who may have adopted the practice you describe – to use the “n-word” mutually, as a show of solidarity and other reasons – the vast majority simply abhors the term. Also, the distinction between the African American and white Americans are much more obvious – there are few regional gradients and cultural variations as in the case of South Asians – so there are few reasons to doubt the bonafide intentions of the addresser. For a South Asian, it is impossible to verify that the term is not meant to degrade.

To put it another way, while you and perhaps others may subscribe to the novel theory that wallowing in human excrement at full-speed by some humans would cure all of human kind of all its inhibitions and limitations and lead every one to that brave new world – that may not be a universally accepted view, and perhaps not shared by many of the intended recipients of the term you appear to prefer.

In any case, blind emulation of another group is never a good idea. As far as the African American example is concerned, there is a long list of virtues that are already there to emulate – such as courage, diligence, faith, honesty, love, loyalty and service – many of which are applicable to our daily lives, at least for those who care about a decent living – and for all one knows – some of which could even benefit us as individuals!

#45, {``a word of caution: never use the n-word for blacks. You may get killed, if left alive then sued. even though they use it among themselves, they resent being called by that word by others``}

Exactly, Netizen. I was using the ``P`` word among ourselves. :)

Re: # 43

``I think the African-Americans have done the same thing to nigger, black, and other such words. ``

a word of caution: never use the n-word for blacks. You may get killed, if left alive then sued. even though they use it among themselves, they resent being called by that word by others.

Re #38.
``friend`` .... did you say the `prophet` too ???
hmmm ... that kinda sets me thinking .... u got the following options:

1. r u a muslim by any chance ? newhere in the world ?
If yes, start running for ur life boss.

2. if u r a non-muslim in a muslim country, advice 1 stands.

3. if u r a non-muslim in the ROW; are u slow or what ?

:)
regards
SN

#42, {``Thanks for reconsidering the use of the ethnic slur “Paki” – which I consider particularly detestful. ``}

Beej,
Thanks for sharing the details about the word Paki.
{``Paki (plural Pakis)
(derogatory, offensive and racist) A Pakistani, or, more generally, a person of who is perceived to be a Pakistani. Often applied to persons of any South Asian or Middle Eastern origin.

(derogatory, offensive and racist) Pakistani, or perceived to be Pakistani.

History
Became offensive during the 1960s when used by British tabloids to reffer to immigrants in a derogotary and racist manner. In recent times there has been a trend by second and third generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word, eg the clothing comany PAK1 or the activist website http://paki.tv``}


As noted in your own finding, there is an attempt to reclaim the word Paki by Brit Pakistanianites.
Beej, as a Pakistanianite myself, I recommend that we use the word Paki so much that it stops being offensive. I think the African-Americans have done the same thing to nigger, black, and other such words.
I reiterate that the word Paki is very positive and means cleanliness, purity - something that we, Inshallah, will attain, despite our police, our military, our politicians, and our mullas.

Thanks,

#41 Salim_Chauhan

Thanks for reconsidering the use of the ethnic slur “Paki” – which I consider particularly detestful.

For the Indian or other South Asian crowds, who may be titillated by such usage, please remember that most individuals in the West who hurl such abuses make no distinction in their minds between one variety of South Asian and another.

Beej #39, {``I recommend using the word “Pakistanis” instead of “Pakis”. The latter is considered a derogatory term – and is not used by decent folks – at least in the USA.``}

Sorry, Beej, I was just trying to be frugal by using an abbreviation. If you prefer, I can use Pakistanianite - it is much longer and therefore, using your logic, more respectful. BTW, Paki means cleanliness, purity, etc. - I can see why that would upset you, because it is probably not true. :)
Don`t get too upset. Despite my last name, I am originally a Pakistanianite. :)

{``Also, if one were to replace “Pakistan” with “India” in your post #37, virtually everything will still hold – therefore, let’s not dump too much on India’s neighbor, and be wishy-washy! Let’s place the blame exactly where it belongs – the institution of the army, which rules and rules all alone – and nowhere else!``}

Beej,
I think you just contradicted yourself. Everything I was ``wishy-washy`` about is not the same in India and Pakistan. As you correctly pointed out, in Pakistan, the military rules and rules all alone. I don`t think that in India, the military does much, other than fight and protect the borders. :) Indian police, politicians, and judges are all probably corrupt, but nowhere near the audacity, universality, and thoroughness in corruption demonstrated by their Pakistanianite counterparts.

{``Also, perhaps some of your more inflammatory words could be toned down. It must be admitted that some of your language retains the vividness of the color images you have posted in the past.``}

If you find my imagination colorful and my words inflammatory, then I thank you for the compliment. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword. :)

In Pakistan there hasn`t been any legislation since July 4, 1977. This country is basically running on Presidential decrees called ordinances. According to the Constitution of 1973 President has powers to issue an interim decree which automatically expired unless validated by the Parliament. When Zia pissed in the face of the the constitution he changed this law and Presidential ordinances become permanent since then. There is some exception in the Sikha Shahi rule of BB AND NS where some legislation took place but mostly it was to increase the monthly allowances or other benefits of the memebers of Parliament.

This dictators rule is no exception. The effect of this lack of legislation has turned courts into mere Kangroo courts. In Pakistani courts today there are 10 million undecided cases pending - 10 million that is. Judges have been rendedred into no more than Huxley`s monkeys with the typewriters. It will probably take 2-3 centuries to clear the backlog. Is there a wonder why people are taking law into their hand, and using rape as one of the method to exact revenge on each other.

This a system that suits military dictators. Slowly, this dictator is paving the way for establishing Martial Law courts under the pretense that civil law has failed to deliver. To day, rape has become a state policy to intimidate general public into submission. Ms. Sonia Naz`s case is indicative of the mindset of military dictator and his goons. These goons in fact are sending a message to pakistani nation by the recent string of rape cases that ``ukhaaR lo jo ukhaaR sakte ho``

At this critical juncture in history we the people of Pakistan must have a unified voice against these attrocities that are being committed against us and our woman by these goons. For the sake of the honor of our sisters, mothers, wives, and daughters we must stop accusing each other of American agents and especially the NGOs, and although NGOs take money from Western countries to twist the facts to blame it on religion and our values, they must also stop it until these attrocities stop. These dictators are taking advantage of our differences. We must not let them.

Re#37 by Salim_Chauhan

Mr. Chauhan,

I recommend using the word “Pakistanis” instead of “Pakis”. The latter is considered a derogatory term – and is not used by decent folks – at least in the USA.

Also, if one were to replace “Pakistan” with “India” in your post #37, virtually everything will still hold – therefore, let’s not dump too much on India’s neighbor, and be wishy-washy! Let’s place the blame exactly where it belongs – the institution of the army, which rules and rules all alone – and nowhere else!

Also, perhaps some of your more inflammatory words could be toned down. It must be admitted that some of your language retains the vividness of the color images you have posted in the past.

Sincerely,
Beej.

Mohar #36
I am not sure how this incidence can be tolerated anywhere. DSP in Sonia Soz is still under investigation. But this Mushy guy is now on record justifying such behavior. Their should be a no-tolerance policy towards everyone - even if that person is prophet himself, everywhere - in India, Pakistan, and rest of the world.

This Mushy guy should have been locked up in a NY jail cell and given an opportunity to earn a green card.

Azra {``But in Pakistan, she is not even considered a human, let alone a Goddess. In Pakistan, she is a subordinate meant to follow men blinded by religion and traditional values, and ruled by an army dictator with the wisdom of an ignorant peasant.``}

Azra,
I can understand and even agree with your rage about rape in Pakistan. But, I think that your wholesale condemnation may have been justified if you listed all the other ills that are associated with the audacity to commit rapes (and other crimes) without fear of reprisals. Let`s face it, the problem with Pakis is not rape - it`s the confidence of criminals that there is no retribution. The police are corrupt (in fact they are the primary rapists along with the military in Pakistan) and the judges are prostitutes, the religious leaders are blind, and the women are barking up the wrong tree. If women really want change, a change that will result in punishing rapists, along with the other criminals, they need to stop pressuring their husbands for financial gain that is needed for their unchecked materialism. Materialism in Pakistan is causing corruption, and corruption is resulting in the absence of any law enforcement. Once laws are ignored, criminals will do what they please - rob, molest, rape, plunder, kill, and yes even defraud. How many people have lied about their situations just for a sake of an American or Canadian visa? There was this case of a brother who attempted to bring his sister to America, claiming that she was his legally-married wife. With stories like these, compassion and understanding fall victim to greed and stupidity. Mushy showed that he can be as stupid as most Pakis.