Because He Couldn’t Get It Up!

I wonder what ailment would Azra Rashid ascribe to Pakistani
society, and its protectors who fail to protect the rights
of poor and lower middle class men from:

- daytime robberties
- theft
- murders
- harassment
- employment discrimination
- nepotism
- and yes, rape.

Pakistan is a lawless society and pretty much everyone is
victimized in one form or another. Its the height of
dishonesty by the "elites" of the society to take up
one cause or another for one group while ignoring others.
Azra Rashid is not alone in this crime. You have other
artists, writers, and musicians who are playing the same
game.

no one can disagree in any manner with the above text but when u talk about mythology and compare religion to religion than Islam is a true and better off religion and no space for myths to enter, no other religion offers same respect to a women as Islam does but if we, people, dont follow our religion properly its not the fault of religion , one who is knowledgeable knows the fact that statistics of all crimes, including rape, are far too high in US than in other countries of the world where these americans claim themselves to be the most respected, reputed and better off than others -

And not enough, when such type of crimes take place in countries like Pakistan we just look at one side of the square, the are three more sides remaining - we all are invloved in the crime in totality , womens of Pakistan are shortening thier clothes on the name of boldness, and mens claim themselve to be religious but never lower their eyes when a Non-Mehram comes in thier way - so those exposing themselves and those looking at them are all responsible for these crimes, because these small crimes are the roots of the big tree , eg rape -

President talked in a different context and hence taking his comments isolation will be a bias. Bush once said ``we are having a crusade`` now if we take it in isolation, its pretty clear but the context in which he said, means otherwise.
Blaming is a very easy thing to do but none at him/herself to find so many problems that other may notice.
Mukhtaraan Mai has been raped and then paraded infront of men and hence she has been included in the most influential people of the year by Times. Why we never saw any american women getting this title when US is among the countries with highest rape rate. I wonder if this title is specially reserved for Pakistan?
Why Mukhtaran Mai has been so generously supported when we can find thousand and thousand of such women in US then arent supported at all.
Double standards as usual. I am not saying President is 100 percent right but atleast you people are also not!

You must be knowing that majority of the people of Pakistan are not practicing Islam. A very small percentage even say their prayers regularly, purdah is not standard, and most of all, culture is dominant. There is a very clear difference between culture and religion, and sister what you see there is culture, not even Pakistan`s culture really. If it`s not India`s culture then it`s the new wave of adopting the culture of the UK and US.

You should also know that in the U.S. women are mostly assaulted by someone they love and are close to. Domestic violence is a huge problem here. Every 7 seconds a women is assaulted by someone she trusts, her husband, boyfriend, or otherwise known to her. Assault doesn`t occur `as often` by unknown men.

I really don`t say there isn`t a problem in pakistan, there may really be, but it`s not due to religion, in fact, if they ppl are so much concerned about fixing the problems there, it would behoove them to follow Allah and they will Insha`Allah be much better off. It is the lack of following Allah that has created the problems.

I am American, but I lived in Pakistan for a couple of years but I am a Muslim, non Pakistani.

#60 Mantolives

``Only a person devoid of any self respect or an iota of integrity would choose to misconstrue my statement in this fashion. ``

haan haan munna beta, Mushy baba bhi yahi kehta hai!!

yoo hooo manto...

link

That comment got Musharraf in hot water. So over the weekend, Musharraf denied that he had ever said any such thing -- noting that if he had, he would have been ``stupid.``

True.

The Washington Post reviewed its tapes and reported that it had quoted him correctly. It also added an additional quote from the same interview, in which Musharraf spoke of rape as an avenue to riches: ``It is the easiest way of doing it. Every second person now wants to.``

Well done Manto mian
You added another one
4. Rape of women in Pakistan is justified because in American rapes their women more often. (Shree Yaseer Latif Hamdani ji)

Earlier three gems.
3. Rape of Pakistani women is justified because Turkish and Indians do so (Faisaluno ji)
2. You can have sex with a woman in Pakistan if she lets you enter her house (??)
1. Pakistani women get raped to make money and get Canadian Visa. (CEO, Pakistan)

Anyone else out there!!

Re: # 58

Only a person devoid of any self respect or an iota of integrity would choose to misconstrue my statement in this fashion.

Re: # 58

You are right on the spot.......actually Mush has picked this up from the Paki elite circles...and he is convinced that much of it is true.....that is why he narrated this with conviction as if it is a very plausible explanation for the rapes.......................I had predicted that this fauzi rascal is going to form an alliance with the dominant cartel of business houses in Pakistan- the so called elites........obtain huge donations and support from them in order to assist them in creating hard entry conditions and barriers in their respective business domains............ensure that these cartels do not fact any competition...............favour them in government contracts................thereby kick up the Paki economy...................but ensure that the poor remain where they are..............ensure that the lower class pests remain enslaved in the farms..............ensure that the distribution of riches become even more skewed..............ensure that economy becomes a slave to his martial law politics...................I can predict that he is going to destroy not merely the economy of Pakistan when he goes unless and until he is replaced by another dictator who can continue these alliances...........I can predict that in the end he would ensure that the position of the women and poor worsens................

#54 by Mantolives on September 19, 2005 10:11pm PT


I am still waiting for a response from anyone on why there are according to FBI reports a rape every 5 minutes in the US?


What`re the numbers on how many times a year a president of the US puts a raped women on the exit control list...or the number of times US military intelligence chases a raped women out of the country?

The problem with people like Azra is that they are the victims of their own over zealousness... no one`s desire to over turn the patriarchal set up in Pakistan is greater than mine... but I am afraid there has to be a limit to exaggeration... Pakistan`s situation on the ground is as bad or good as any other..

I am still waiting for a response from anyone on why there are according to FBI reports a rape every 5 minutes in the US?

Re: # 54

``I am still waiting for a response from anyone on why there are according to FBI reports a rape every 5 minutes in the US?``

Don`t hold your breath. There is no explanation without poking holes the size of Grand Canyon into the swiss cheese called the ``Model Democracy`` of the world with unlimited ``Freedom`` to do whatever one wants. One can`t blame the law enforcement agencies either, they`ve got more important things to do...like covering up major blunders resulting in national security breaches.

Besides, it`s an industry in the US; a whole bunch of piranas in the legal, judiciary, and media circles feed off of the victims every 5 minutes.

The last I checked, piranas are defined in the dictionary as follows:

``Any of several tropical American freshwater fishes of the genus Serrasalmus that are voraciously carnivorous and often attack and destroy living animals.``

Pakistan is after all faaaaaaaaaar from freshwaters.

;-)~~

Re: # 54
//...I am still waiting for a response from anyone on why there are according to FBI reports a rape every 5 minutes in the US? ....//

Because, I guess, nobody here has time to educate the eternally clueless....

But let me try ...... This is NOT about rape by itself ....... This is about pakis govt response to the crime - Even at the highest of level of Paki Govt, the authorities harass/oppress rape victims rather than helping them...all in name of honor, image and whatever other excuse...

Rape happens everywhere, as you said - probably more in US .... But no head of state goes around blaming the victims and calling it ``stage managed`` and ``money-making`` attempt....That`s just common sense.....That`s what Mushy has done, yet again....

So that`s the bone of contention here - Mushy going around blaming rape victims....

Now - Is that clear to you?

Re: # 55

``So that`s the bone of contention here - Mushy going around blaming rape victims....``

A typical sign of incompetence amongst the law enforcers...............when they cannot enforce ..............they blame the victim to hide their incompetency.............

Re: # 61 ballu
//...when they cannot enforce ..they blame the victim to hide their incompetency...//

Who says they really want to enforce the law - or even have a law that`s enorceable?...... I mean - 4 ``pious`` muslims needed as witness to rape - that the law pakis have....How the heck do you find 4 ``pious`` muslims as witness?

But that`s another story.... What marks the high-water of paki stupidity is blaming the victims - that too in front of international audience.... And at the same time - hiring expensive ``consultants`` to improve paki ``image``.....

....and then we have apologists like YLH.

#51, Beej {``Our men who come back home and kick our women into unconsciousness, crush them into submission, destroy them into dust – rip them and rape them – make them pulp in body and worse, in mind! ``}

So, when do you guys copulate?