Rape and Exploitation - Pakistan’s Dilemma

Re: # 33

Actually it`s even worse ... pakis like faisluno don`t realize that this is NOT about rape per se .... this is about Paki establishment`s repsonse to rape and their victims.....At the highest level of the ``govt`` - pakis harrass/oppress rape victims instead of helping them....

Rape happens everywhere - india, turkey, US .... But no head of state goes around blaming the victims....It`s just common sense - but pakis don`t get it.......And that`s not surprising - considering the history of these people and the way their nation has evolved ... common sense is not a paki strong-point...

Now this faisaluno comes up with another excuse --

3. Rape of Pakistani women is justified because Turkish and Indians do so

Earlier two excuses were

2. You can have sex with a woman in Pakistan if she lets you enter her house
1. Pakistani women get raped to make money and get Canadian Visa.

We still have place for few more gems!!

#31, Pennance suits you so well. At least you seem to have repented and recognized your vulgarity and profanity. Realization is the first step toward resolution.

hey man, talking about being predictable, its not my name that appears in the guiness book of world record for the most number of times being banned by a website.

btw chowk-staff, my earlier posts had no personal attacks. you should delete my post #29 as well as those posts attacking me personally.

i think the author of this piece deserves this respect.

#29, You are so predictable. When you are losing your debate, you immediately rush to personal remarks such as the ones you used in #29. For a minute I thought you would be able to sustain a debate. Poor ``sharif`` banker. Is all that usury giving you a complex?

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yeah, in india, they are doing it out of their own free will,

http://www.countercurrents.org/dalit-nagaraj230805.htm

``...There is very little solace for a Dalit in religion or even in death; various types of discriminations continue in these spheres. The religious rights of the Dalit — to worship — are often severely restricted. And the burial grounds for Dalits often lack proper approach roads and attempts to reach these grounds through land belonging to `caste Hindus` often invite reprisals.

The fact that Dalits have to face such deprivation, discrimination, and violence — in all their intensity and range — from `caste Hindus` is perhaps explicable in terms of the central role caste plays in our society. The bases and forms of such assertion by Dalits have been varied and many. ....It has often taken the form of conversion to Islam...``

#23, Now, don`t you feel a whole lot better. Two secular democracies, one to the east, another one to the west, part of it in advanced Europe, have problems with abuse of women. This means that Pakistan is not any worse than, or may be even as well advanced as, democratic societies.

Of course in Pakistan, it is also ok to kidnap, forcibly convert and
marry hindu women.

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www.jang.com
Saturday September 17, 2005-- Shaaban 12, 1426 A.H.

I’ve embraced Islam, says missing Sapna

By our correspondent

SUKKUR: A meeting of religious parties was told that 18-year-old Sapna, reported missing for the last two days, had abandoned her home of her own free will and had embraced Islam and married Shamsuddin, alias Shaman.

The meeting was attended by JUI leaders Maulana Deedar Lashari, Shah Muhammad Shah, Fida Muhammad, Dr AG Ansari, Hafiz Mir Muhammad Banglani and others who asked the police to stop arresting innocent people.

Speaking on the occasion, Dr AG Ansari said they had provided protection to the Hindu community and continue to provide it to them.

On the other hand, Sapna, whose Islamic name is Mehak, told Jacobabad-based journalists by phone that she left her house of her own free will, and no one had kidnapped her. Sapna added that she has embraced Islam of her own volition and married Shamsuddin of her free will according to the Islamic Shariah. Hundreds of MMA activists took out a protest rally against the arrest of innocent people by the police, following the disappearance of Sapna. The rally started from Madrassa Qasmia and marched through different streets. The participants claimed that the girl has embraced Islam and married of her own free will.

On the other hand the Hindu community of the city also observed shutter-down on Friday and took out a protest rally. President of the Hindu Panchayat Baboo Mahesh Kumar warned that if Sapna were not recovered soon, a strong protest movement would be launched throughout the district.

#23, Yes, Turkey has a long way to go before it comes up to European standards of decency, respect for individual rights, and protection of citizens from the corruption of feudal lords and religious extremists. Hopefully, they will get there soon.
Thanks for your concern about Turkish citizens. :)

here is a story from everone`s favourite secular republic. when you read this, you will realise that mm got of rather easily. (warning: picture in the link is rather gruesome)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1637037_1,00.html

At 13, this girl had to marry a paedophile. Her father-in-law raped her and then cut off her nose

Lawyers are fighting Rojda`s case after her attackers went free

ROJDA is still alive. So, she got off lightly.

Rodja is still alive, Birgul Isik soon may not be. The Turkish mother of three is in a coma after she was shot by her 14-year-old stepson for talking on television about fleeing from her abusive husband.

Ayse Aydin, 18, is dead. Her family says that she committed suicide. Her husband, who was often away from home for work, says that her family mutilated her sexually and killed her for allegedly consorting with other men.

All these crimes have been committed in the name of honour in Turkey, a country that will begin membership talks with the European Union in October.

...A law annulling the sentences of rapists who marry their victims has been scrapped, while supposed provocation is no longer a ground for lenient treatment in the case of honour killings.

...Human rights activists welcome the reforms but say that the battle has only just begun. Eren Keskin, the head of the Istanbul branch of the Human Rights Association, said: “There are some positive developments in these new laws. However, in Turkey the written law and its enforcement can be two very different things. Until the feudal make-up of society, until the very mentality behind these crimes changes, we cannot expect anything very different.”

#21, faisaluno {``how come indian women mentioned below are not raising a stink and why are`nt the ``south asian`` human rights group based in the u.s. talking about them ``}

Shabash, Shabash,
As long as you can point to rapes in India, somehow things don`t look so bad in Pakistan. As long as we can find Indians who are ravaged, impoverished, hungry, homeless, or illiterate, Pakistan does not need to lower its head. Look, our bete noir, our arch-enemy, our rival, is also blemished. We can relax, we don`t have to reform, we are keeping pace with India.

Listen, one day, India will almost obliterate these negatives, then how will you justify your evils? Remember how backward India was in terms of automobiles, technology, foreign exchange, medecine, and agriculture?

are pakistani women braver than indian women? how come indian women mentioned below are not raising a stink and why are`nt the ``south asian`` human rights group based in the u.s. talking about them and asking indian govt to let human rights group into kashmir?

kya izzat of pak women is more qeemtee? or is there some daal may kaala?

also fyi, wp being a big supporter of iraq war gave front page coverage to stories confirming presence of wmd in iraq. in contrast, stories questioning this claim was hidden in the back pages. this kahani can be confirmed from w.p`s own website.


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040113/asp/nation/story%5F2780541.asp

Veil ripped off honour killings
MONOBINA GUPTA
New Delhi, Jan. 12: Punjab and Haryana have one more blot on them. Already
tainted by increasing incidence of female foeticide, now they have activists
crying foul over ``honour killings`` in the states.


...``People keep talking about honour killings in Pakistan. But they are happening
in India all the time. And the government does not even want to acknowledge it,``
said All India Democratic Women`s Association (Aidwa) general secretary Brinda
Karat.

...Aidwa points out that in cases involving couples from upper castes, there is
always an effort to save the young man. ``The woman from the same caste, however,
will be killed for destroying the honour of the family and community,`` the
report says. The girl`s death is never reported. ``It is as if she never
existed,`` it adds.

The violence against the couple, particularly the woman, takes various forms.
Caste panchayats patronised by all political parties deliver the sentence, which
is usually nothing short of murder. Often the murder is portrayed as an act of
suicide.

``For example, the panchayat and the family can force the persons concerned to
drink poison or sexually assault the women members of the family of the
accused,`` the Aidwa report says.

and its not as if courts are a lot of help:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1475213,0008.htm

On August 12, former additional sessions judge of Mumbai High Court Dr Laxmi Rao let off a rape accused with a day’s imprisonment and a fine of Rs 50,000.

In Pakistan there hasn`t been any legislation since July 4, 1977. This country is basically running on Presidential decrees called ordinances. According to the Constitution of 1973 President has powers to issue an interim decree which automatically expired unless validated by the Parliament. When Zia pissed in the face of the the constitution he changed this law and Presidential ordinances become permanent since then. There is some exception in the Sikha Shahi rule of BB AND NS where some legislation took place but mostly it was to increase the monthly allowances or other benefits of the memebers of Parliament.

This dictators rule is no exception. The effect of this lack of legislation has turned courts into mere Kangroo courts. In Pakistani courts today there are 10 million undecided cases pending - 10 million that is. Judges have been rendedred into no more than Huxley`s monkeys with the typewriters. It will probably take 2-3 centuries to clear the backlog. Is there a wonder why people are taking law into their hand, and using rape as one of the method to exact revenge on each other.

This a system that suits military dictators. Slowly, this dictator is paving the way for establishing Martial Law courts under the pretense that civil law has failed to deliver. To day, rape has become a state policy to intimidate general public into submission. Ms. Sonia Naz`s case is indicative of the mindset of military dictator and his goons. These goons in fact are sending a message to pakistani nation by the recent string of rape cases that ``ukhaaR lo jo ukhaaR sakte ho``

At this critical juncture in history we the people of Pakistan must have a unified voice against these attrocities that are being committed against us and our woman by these goons. For the sake of the honor of our sisters, mothers, wives, and daughters we must stop accusing each other of American agents and especially the NGOs, and although NGOs take money from Western countries to twist the facts to blame it on religion and our values, they must also stop it until these attrocities stop. These dictators are taking advantage of our differences. We must not let them.

Dear Ms. Shah,

I always enjoy reading your articles. Thank you for such a balanced article. I totally agree that all government officals, down to the local policewalla should get this education.....[And perhaps it should be made mandatory for all government figures to attend a rape awareness class so that they can see just what a cruel, horrific crime rape really is for any woman, Pakistani or otherwise.]

Also, as I suggested on the other site, civic classes should be made a compulsory class for all Pakistanis regardless. And also, to those who expect a visa abroad.

Respectfully submitted,