Bina Shah September 18, 2005
#143 Posted by Zeena on September 19, 2005 8:24:25 pm
An interview with President Musharaf,in which he mentioned,``comparison between the incidence of rape in western countries and Pakistan. It’s happening everywhere, he said, and then added: “You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a money-making concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada and citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.”
I have never ever heard such a cruel statement by any person in my whole life and I am sure will never hear it again.No,human can say such a thing.I am sure,even a rapist can not say such thing.This statement makes me sick to the extent that I feel sorry fo poor Pakistanis who has such a President(head of state).
On,side note,I think Musharaf has her own daughter and wife as well.What if samething happen to them?Will he say the samething for them as well?
Mr.President you are not only wrong,but,extremely cruel and pathetic.
When ever we hear a news about RAPE in Pakistan. On interrogation, all Paki Govt. officals state,``Oh,RAPE,well this is happening everywhere in the world.More common in Western countries.`` And,by making such a stupid and cruel statement they think,their duty is over and they could easily get away with it.
Well,first of RAPE is UNDER REPORTED in Pakistan.Then,even if it is reported,is not being supported by any Govt agencies.Rather RAPISTS have a lots of support from Govt,b/c lots of RAPISTS are either Ministers,senators,army officials or they have strong connections with them.So,they easily get away with RAPE.
Pakistan is so,called Islamic nation,how can RAPE even be committed?
I am sure Pakistan has more RAPES,COMPARED to USA,b/c of ignorance and poverty.
My answer to this dumb statement is,don`t make such statement which are not only cruel,but,they are justifying and favouring RAPE.By,saying this these officials become part of rapists team.
Well,this is solely your opinion.But,I think you are also human being.So,being a member of a civil society that you are.Will you please answer only one question.If you will say (yes) to this question,then you`re not human being and if you will say (No) to my question then you are human being.
PS:-Please don`t take my question as a personal attack.In no way I am attacking you personally.Thanks
Suppose,if Musharaf`s sister/mother/daughter has been dragged in similar rape situation,will he say the same senseless statement as has been stated by President general Musharaf(who is forgetting that he also is father / son and brother??
I have always admired Musharaf ,but, on this statement I have changed my opinion about this man.Thanks for not arguing with me on this highly sensitive issue.
Musharaf with such a heartless statement has nerves to deny it ,now....tsk,tsk,ts
Please,do not be sarcastic about poor miserable Mukhata Mai.if,you can not say a word of sympathy,then at least refrain from favouring rapists.
I am sorry to read Musharaf`s response.
Mr.President
You see rape in a totally different perspective. You know,why I am getting impression from your response that you are Not a sensitive person at all.
Person like you can easily say anything on any crime,like rape ,murder or any other serious crime. You will say,oh,so,what it did not happen to me or my family member,I di not feel the pain,why these people who got hurt are crying and why other people are consoling them. You are very sarcastic on a rape victim.This shows how you feel about other peoples sufferings.
Any huma being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings.Thanks
Nothing more to say.
I have never ever heard such a cruel statement by any person in my whole life and I am sure will never hear it again.No,human can say such a thing.I am sure,even a rapist can not say such thing.This statement makes me sick to the extent that I feel sorry fo poor Pakistanis who has such a President(head of state).
On,side note,I think Musharaf has her own daughter and wife as well.What if samething happen to them?Will he say the samething for them as well?
Mr.President you are not only wrong,but,extremely cruel and pathetic.
When ever we hear a news about RAPE in Pakistan. On interrogation, all Paki Govt. officals state,``Oh,RAPE,well this is happening everywhere in the world.More common in Western countries.`` And,by making such a stupid and cruel statement they think,their duty is over and they could easily get away with it.
Well,first of RAPE is UNDER REPORTED in Pakistan.Then,even if it is reported,is not being supported by any Govt agencies.Rather RAPISTS have a lots of support from Govt,b/c lots of RAPISTS are either Ministers,senators,army officials or they have strong connections with them.So,they easily get away with RAPE.
Pakistan is so,called Islamic nation,how can RAPE even be committed?
I am sure Pakistan has more RAPES,COMPARED to USA,b/c of ignorance and poverty.
My answer to this dumb statement is,don`t make such statement which are not only cruel,but,they are justifying and favouring RAPE.By,saying this these officials become part of rapists team.
Well,this is solely your opinion.But,I think you are also human being.So,being a member of a civil society that you are.Will you please answer only one question.If you will say (yes) to this question,then you`re not human being and if you will say (No) to my question then you are human being.
PS:-Please don`t take my question as a personal attack.In no way I am attacking you personally.Thanks
Suppose,if Musharaf`s sister/mother/daughter has been dragged in similar rape situation,will he say the same senseless statement as has been stated by President general Musharaf(who is forgetting that he also is father / son and brother??
I have always admired Musharaf ,but, on this statement I have changed my opinion about this man.Thanks for not arguing with me on this highly sensitive issue.
Musharaf with such a heartless statement has nerves to deny it ,now....tsk,tsk,ts
Please,do not be sarcastic about poor miserable Mukhata Mai.if,you can not say a word of sympathy,then at least refrain from favouring rapists.
I am sorry to read Musharaf`s response.
Mr.President
You see rape in a totally different perspective. You know,why I am getting impression from your response that you are Not a sensitive person at all.
Person like you can easily say anything on any crime,like rape ,murder or any other serious crime. You will say,oh,so,what it did not happen to me or my family member,I di not feel the pain,why these people who got hurt are crying and why other people are consoling them. You are very sarcastic on a rape victim.This shows how you feel about other peoples sufferings.
Any huma being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings.Thanks
Nothing more to say.
#142 Posted by Zeena on September 19, 2005 8:15:55 pm
My opinion about Musharaf`s pathetic statement is as follows.....
Please,do not be sarcastic about poor miserable Mukhata Mai.if,you can not say a word of sympathy,then at least refrain from favouring rapists.
I am sorry to read your response. You see rape in a totally different perspective. You know,why I am getting impression from your response that you are Not a sensitive person at all.
Person like you can easily say anything on any crime,like rape ,murder or any other serious crime. You will say,oh,so,what it did not happen to me or my family member,I di not feel the pain,why these people who got hurt are crying and why other people are consoling them. You are very sarcastic on a rape victim.This shows how you feel about other peoples sufferings.
Any human being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings.Thanks
Nothing more to say.
Please,do not be sarcastic about poor miserable Mukhata Mai.if,you can not say a word of sympathy,then at least refrain from favouring rapists.
I am sorry to read your response. You see rape in a totally different perspective. You know,why I am getting impression from your response that you are Not a sensitive person at all.
Person like you can easily say anything on any crime,like rape ,murder or any other serious crime. You will say,oh,so,what it did not happen to me or my family member,I di not feel the pain,why these people who got hurt are crying and why other people are consoling them. You are very sarcastic on a rape victim.This shows how you feel about other peoples sufferings.
Any human being will feel Mukhataran Mai same way as she felt pain.Yes,if you are human being.If,not then we are absolutely NOT human beings.Thanks
Nothing more to say.
#141 Posted by hamidm2 on September 19, 2005 7:42:41 pm
......... i have nothing new to add except to reiterate that faujis should be sent back to their barracks and should never be allowed to speak in public .............
#140 Posted by Behram1 on September 19, 2005 7:32:55 pm
Anyone??
I heard that in Pakistani court, a rape victim has to provide four (4) eye witnesses who has actually seen the act. Can anyone tell me if this statement is true?
As usual, most humbly and respecfully submitted,
BBA
#139 Posted by teshah on September 19, 2005 7:17:26 pm
Re: # 44
You are wonderful dear Salim. They are wary of publcizing indivividual rapes abroad but they publicize massive rape of Kashmiri women, calling it a sacrifice for freedom of
Kashmir. I don`t know what they mean by freedom. We have an Azad Kashmir but no Azad Pakistan. We had once an Azad Pakistan Party lead by Mian Iftikharudin marhoom. So can`t we have an Azad Pakistan through rapes. Musharraf may be fearing that Mukhtaran Mai, vested with Fatimah Jinnah Gold Medal, may challenge him in the next presidential elections.
You are wonderful dear Salim. They are wary of publcizing indivividual rapes abroad but they publicize massive rape of Kashmiri women, calling it a sacrifice for freedom of
Kashmir. I don`t know what they mean by freedom. We have an Azad Kashmir but no Azad Pakistan. We had once an Azad Pakistan Party lead by Mian Iftikharudin marhoom. So can`t we have an Azad Pakistan through rapes. Musharraf may be fearing that Mukhtaran Mai, vested with Fatimah Jinnah Gold Medal, may challenge him in the next presidential elections.
#138 Posted by Urstruly on September 19, 2005 7:00:41 pm
ANOTHER MUKHTARAN MAI THREATENS TO SELF-IMMULATE HERSELF
Jang Sep 19, 2005
#137 Posted by Saminasha on September 19, 2005 6:51:37 pm
Bina,
Great piece! Thanks for bringing Dr. Saigol`s work to our attention as well.
Great piece! Thanks for bringing Dr. Saigol`s work to our attention as well.
#136 Posted by temporal on September 19, 2005 4:59:19 pm
:)
u r right!
my reply is incomplete...
``nahin sirji`` should have been followed by ``...it was not discussed at all..``
rgds
t
u r right!
my reply is incomplete...
``nahin sirji`` should have been followed by ``...it was not discussed at all..``
rgds
t
#135 Posted by tahmed32 on September 19, 2005 4:55:32 pm
i must now beg leave, mr. t. see you around on chowk.
#134 Posted by tahmed32 on September 19, 2005 4:51:17 pm
i dont understand how #133 responds to the simple question i asked in #132.
as for dumping on musharaff - i dont think we are capable of dumping on musharaff, who walks around grandly in his uniform. at best, we can feebly voice our discontent on chowk at his taking over the country by force, reneging on promises to return to democracy, and now joking about serious issues like the rape of women. that is about all we can do.
as for dumping on musharaff - i dont think we are capable of dumping on musharaff, who walks around grandly in his uniform. at best, we can feebly voice our discontent on chowk at his taking over the country by force, reneging on promises to return to democracy, and now joking about serious issues like the rape of women. that is about all we can do.
#133 Posted by temporal on September 19, 2005 4:45:10 pm
tahmed: 132:
nahin sirji!
perhaps for two reasons...fore most...all and sundry( including me) are dumping on mushy and that `sattire` diversion
nahin sirji!
perhaps for two reasons...fore most...all and sundry( including me) are dumping on mushy and that `sattire` diversion
#132 Posted by tahmed32 on September 19, 2005 4:33:59 pm
#35 is a great post. having worked on microcredit projects at one time, i can say it is indeed true what you write. does anyone disagree with it?
#131 Posted by temporal on September 19, 2005 4:29:42 pm
#130:
sirji:
janay diji`aye ... yeh sub ``sattire``ka fall out thaa
if you want to be serious check out what i wrote in #35
sirji:
janay diji`aye ... yeh sub ``sattire``ka fall out thaa
if you want to be serious check out what i wrote in #35
#130 Posted by tahmed32 on September 19, 2005 4:27:58 pm
#126 mr. t, aap kaa rootbaa bahut baland hai. you posts are riddles within riddles. no doubt hazrat sulaimaan would understand what you write... yeh ganga ram (i.e. tahmed) ki samajh maiN na ai!!
#128 Posted by temporal on September 19, 2005 4:25:18 pm
#126:
yes sir, that is one possibility
the other one is ..........:)
yes sir, that is one possibility
the other one is ..........:)
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