Rape and Exploitation - Pakistan’s Dilemma

temporal: sir jee, aap nacheez ki aqal ko bahut overestimate kar rahay haiN. instead of an ``ishara``, why dont you just say what it is you are trying to prove?? :-)

The question is why thugs in khakis never let a single elected government finish its term?. Expecting a democratic system to deliver in a predominantly feudal society within a couple years is Unreal, imo, when generals are supposed to have the country to their devices and thuggery for decades(except yahya).

Tahmed Sahib and Raw Dust,
I wish we could have democracy (true democracy) in Pakistan. It took India 58 years to be where they are today. And this is following a firm commitment to democracy, reaffirmed through dynasty, emergency, wars, socialism, communal riots, and foreign espionage. Pakistan has almost NEVER demonstrated that kind of commitment.

#118:

aap buhat aqalmund haiN

aap ko bus ik ishara kafi hay

mt t: you are trying to prove ``several things``?? is that an answer??

Raw Dust,
Yes, now we are getting somewhere. Your point about the judiciary and how they function under a dictatorship is quite correct. Unfortunately, our courts didn`t function too well under the ``democracy`` of Nawaxz, or BB, or ZAB.
There is something fundamentally wrong in Paki society about the powerful. Many of them do not care for the rule of law - even those who are legally elected.

Now, you can understand why I am so disappointed with the future of Pakistan. Get rid of Mushy, you get Fazloo, rig an election and you have BB or Nawaz back in control. So the question is: Do we want to be raped, shot, gored, or flogged to death? HELP.

#112:

several things...one of which i mentioned in response to friend

#110:

my ``cohorts`` are a figment of your imagination

i am asking you a direct question and you are avoiding and deflecting...

good night (Current time Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 2:12:59 AM EEST )

``Mushy, besides being a two-bit dictator, doesn`t need such advice. His word is the last word in Pakistan. Like you, I wish there was an alternative to Mushy, but do you seriously want Fazloo or Nawazy or BB? ``

change names above and pretty much thats what the older dying generation of paki uncles have been harping on throughout Ayub(musharraf-I, imo), yahya, genocide of their fellow citizens in `71 and so on. You seem to be advocating nothing new, just arguing for the continuation of historical paki mindset devoid of any principles.

#113 the system is what matters, not personalities. if pakistan has a democratic system, it would be better off regardless of who is pm. with a dictatorship, it does not matter how smart the dictator is (or thinks he is).

#109, Again, we are letting words and emotion guide our thinking. The real travesty was the authority in Multan, then the Lahore Court, and yes, then the President.
We are right back to Nawlens. Start with the Mayor, work up to the Governor, and yes, of course, Dubya is responsible. The major difference is that Dubya is a politician with some competent advisors helping him with every word he says or doesn`t say. Mushy, besides being a two-bit dictator, doesn`t need such advice. His word is the last word in Pakistan. Like you, I wish there was an alternative to Mushy, but do you seriously want Fazloo or Nawazy or BB?

Salim_Chauhan: (another example)
Chaudhary Shujaat and his groupies from Gujarat wont have to pay for their crimes and unpaid-loans as long as they keep licking you know who`s balls.

mr. t: what are you trying to prove??

Salim_Chauhan:
i agree with your post completely. But you are missing the point of institutions having any semblance of being authoritative under a dictator.

You expect courts to work judiciously under a dictator? These horrible crimes will keep on happening as long as you are in the good books of El-Presidente. Is that so hard to understand?

Temporal,
You were right there on the job. Did your cohorts provoke me with profanity hurled at my family and me? Did Chowk Staff, to which you are somehow connected, unfairly side with your cohorts or not? First you answer, then I will tell you everything you need to know.
I think that this is good. Let`s get it ALL in front of the Chowk audience.

mr. chauhan #106 responsibility starts at the top - particularly in a case like mukhtaran mai where musharaff demonstrated a contemptible attitude to the rape case even after the facts were known to him.

#105, Tahmed Sahib, Yes, the Mullah (the whistle blower showed a lot of courage) and not enough can be said about MukhtaraN Mai. Not only did she endure her unjust, cruel, and savage ordeal, but she fought agaiinst the powerful system despite the risk to her life and the obvious ``shame`` unjustly imposed on victims by Paki society.