Nighat Yasmeen September 20, 2005
#28 Posted by wiseguyin on September 20, 2005 11:49:05 am
> anyone who has seen the amount of hatred in the post of every second indian on chowk
> would understand why Pakistan was founded...
Hmmm. Seems like every Indian hates Pukees. [Except of course our beloved muslim bros
who have a soft corner for them.]
And of course, the RoW hates Muslims in general. Because, as is well known, Muslims are the
best people in the world. And all of us are jealous of them because they are ahead of us all.
And of course, they posess the truth in their book, which came straight from His mouth. Arrey
I am talking about HIM. You know na... the one whose name must not be taken .... (abey not Voldermort).
Muslims wanted to be love and be loved here in India; the wicked brahmins (Sikhs too ?)
drove them away. The remaining muslims suffer so much in India.... thank god for the land
of the pure.
Sigh ,,,, that gentle cult ..........
Neways, I digress.
But I do agree that the situation here in India isn`t exactly 1st world. And as tahmed32
rightly points out we have a lot of ground to cover too. With regard to Haryana, It is indeed
true that there is a shortage of brides because of female infanticide. And the jats now
have to go to places like MP for brides. But I think the figure of 25 million is kinda bloated.
But the stupid Punjabi and Jats are getting there just deserts. By the way, this phenomenon
seems to be prevalent in the north west of india only. Out here in Chennai, there seems to
be a glut of girls. Not that I am complainig .....
regards,
SN
> would understand why Pakistan was founded...
Hmmm. Seems like every Indian hates Pukees. [Except of course our beloved muslim bros
who have a soft corner for them.]
And of course, the RoW hates Muslims in general. Because, as is well known, Muslims are the
best people in the world. And all of us are jealous of them because they are ahead of us all.
And of course, they posess the truth in their book, which came straight from His mouth. Arrey
I am talking about HIM. You know na... the one whose name must not be taken .... (abey not Voldermort).
Muslims wanted to be love and be loved here in India; the wicked brahmins (Sikhs too ?)
drove them away. The remaining muslims suffer so much in India.... thank god for the land
of the pure.
Sigh ,,,, that gentle cult ..........
Neways, I digress.
But I do agree that the situation here in India isn`t exactly 1st world. And as tahmed32
rightly points out we have a lot of ground to cover too. With regard to Haryana, It is indeed
true that there is a shortage of brides because of female infanticide. And the jats now
have to go to places like MP for brides. But I think the figure of 25 million is kinda bloated.
But the stupid Punjabi and Jats are getting there just deserts. By the way, this phenomenon
seems to be prevalent in the north west of india only. Out here in Chennai, there seems to
be a glut of girls. Not that I am complainig .....
regards,
SN
#25 Posted by tahmed32 on September 20, 2005 10:54:34 am
Kulharee: Pakistan has its problems, like any society. However, Pakistanis dont need the services of Pandit-Hates like you and ``paki-paki`` arjun from India to remind us of the religious primitives we have in our society.
If you people really were concerned about the plight of women - you would look at the cesspool that exists in India - a cesspool of greed - where brides are burnt to death in the tens of thousands every year in order to make room for a second one with dowry; where parents kill their unborn daughters with the help of doctors who abuse their access to modern technology to identify the gender of the unborn - to the extent of there being a deficit of available females for marriage to the tune of 25 million in just the delhi/haryana area alone according to one article i read in a US paper.
If you people really were concerned about the plight of women - you would look at the cesspool that exists in India - a cesspool of greed - where brides are burnt to death in the tens of thousands every year in order to make room for a second one with dowry; where parents kill their unborn daughters with the help of doctors who abuse their access to modern technology to identify the gender of the unborn - to the extent of there being a deficit of available females for marriage to the tune of 25 million in just the delhi/haryana area alone according to one article i read in a US paper.
#30 Posted by Kulharee on September 20, 2005 1:42:58 pm
Re: # 25
>>>>>If you people really were concerned about the plight of women - you would look at the cesspool that exists in India - a cesspool of greed - where brides are burnt to death in the tens of thousands every year in order to make room for a second one with dowry; where parents kill their unborn daughters with the help of doctors who abuse their access to modern technology to identify the gender of the unborn - to the extent of there being a deficit of available females for marriage to the tune of 25 million in just the delhi/haryana area alone according to one article i read in a US paper.<<<<<<
also # 26
>>>>Salim: that is a good point you make in #21 about the real wrong-doing on the part of the musharaff government being that of trying to prevent mukhtar mai from speaking out. as for you earlier point about relations with india, i think anyone who has seen the amount of hatred in the post of every second indian on chowk would understand why Pakistan was founded. <<<<<
Tahmed32,,, what would looking towards India do? Would doing so make Pakistan look better? You really think that calling someone Hindu or Indian is an insult? 1000 times more Muslims decided to stay in India than to go to Pak; do you mean to imply that they all live in a cesspool? Perhaps you should check out the male-female ratio of Pakistan as well..and here’s a news for you: it is pretty much the same as it is in India – that means that female infanticide is as prevalent in Pakistan as much as it is in India. Or you might actually believe that Muslim pricks produce only male offspring? One thing is becoming so obvious however, that India is the gauge that some Pakistanis judge their own country by. Please look towards Rwanda or Uganda or some other basketcase and don’t belittle India by comparing it to Pakistan. Thank you and god bless.
>>>>>If you people really were concerned about the plight of women - you would look at the cesspool that exists in India - a cesspool of greed - where brides are burnt to death in the tens of thousands every year in order to make room for a second one with dowry; where parents kill their unborn daughters with the help of doctors who abuse their access to modern technology to identify the gender of the unborn - to the extent of there being a deficit of available females for marriage to the tune of 25 million in just the delhi/haryana area alone according to one article i read in a US paper.<<<<<<
also # 26
>>>>Salim: that is a good point you make in #21 about the real wrong-doing on the part of the musharaff government being that of trying to prevent mukhtar mai from speaking out. as for you earlier point about relations with india, i think anyone who has seen the amount of hatred in the post of every second indian on chowk would understand why Pakistan was founded. <<<<<
Tahmed32,,, what would looking towards India do? Would doing so make Pakistan look better? You really think that calling someone Hindu or Indian is an insult? 1000 times more Muslims decided to stay in India than to go to Pak; do you mean to imply that they all live in a cesspool? Perhaps you should check out the male-female ratio of Pakistan as well..and here’s a news for you: it is pretty much the same as it is in India – that means that female infanticide is as prevalent in Pakistan as much as it is in India. Or you might actually believe that Muslim pricks produce only male offspring? One thing is becoming so obvious however, that India is the gauge that some Pakistanis judge their own country by. Please look towards Rwanda or Uganda or some other basketcase and don’t belittle India by comparing it to Pakistan. Thank you and god bless.
#24 Posted by ntsyed on September 20, 2005 10:03:34 am
What a wonderful gift Democracy is! How wonderfully civil our S Asian IT generation is!
Turning the most horrendous of women`s dilemma into a slugfest to cover personal inadequacies and hatred. As if Musharraf`s stupidity wasn`t enough, every Ditta and Hari is dying to show off the pimple on his bony ass.
Kudos to both ``bright`` and ``educated`` Indians and Pakistanis.
:-)~~
Turning the most horrendous of women`s dilemma into a slugfest to cover personal inadequacies and hatred. As if Musharraf`s stupidity wasn`t enough, every Ditta and Hari is dying to show off the pimple on his bony ass.
Kudos to both ``bright`` and ``educated`` Indians and Pakistanis.
:-)~~
#23 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on September 20, 2005 9:51:34 am
Kulharee #22, {``It is your Military that is raping the country, and is doing it dry. A dumbass and unintelligent Army Office makes 10 times (not counting his servants) than a 100 times brighter engineer in Public sector in Pakistan``}
Now you understand why I am for reunification. Now you can have it all - democracy, Kashmir, better economy, a somewhat better judiciary, free elections, women`s rights, and you won`t need a visa to visit Bihar. Try it you might like it. No Mushy, no BB, no Nawaz.
Now you understand why I am for reunification. Now you can have it all - democracy, Kashmir, better economy, a somewhat better judiciary, free elections, women`s rights, and you won`t need a visa to visit Bihar. Try it you might like it. No Mushy, no BB, no Nawaz.
#21 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on September 20, 2005 9:37:23 am
Also, I think that preventing Mukhtara Mai from traveling was more sinister, cruel, and problematic than the utterances of a stupid man who doesn`t think before running his mouth. That was a deliberate attempt at suppression of free speech. We should throw Mushy and his gang out for that reason and NOT for this stupidity.
#20 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on September 20, 2005 9:24:47 am
At the risk of getting banned by Mr. Temporal and his henchmen, let me try to shed some logic into this issue:
THE CASE OF THE MUKHTAR MAI RAPE IS NOT YOUR COMMON CRIMINAL RAPE CASE INVOLVING SERIAL RAPISTS OR MASS RIOT-RELATED RAPES INVOLVING GANGS OR VIOLENT MOBS. THIS RAPE WAS SANCTIONED BY A QUASI-LEGAL AUTHORITY, THE GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY, KNOWN AS PANCHAYAT. THE SO-CALLED ``HONORABLE`` MEN PUNISHED AN INNOCENT WOMAN AND OTHER ``VOLUNTEERS`` CARRIED OUT THE VERDICT OF THIS AUTHORITY. THE POLICE, THE ADMINISTRATORS, AND EVEN THE LAHORE COURT ARE IMPLICATED IN THIS TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE. THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM HERE THAN MUSHARRAF, MUKHTARAN MAI, VISAS, AND THE WASHINGTON POST. THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE THINKING OF VILLAGE LEADERS AND LOCAL POLICE, NOT TO MENTION THE LAHORE COURT.
Rape is wrong. It`s criminal. It needs to be stamped out. There is never ANY excuse for rape. Stupid people often say stupid things and Mr. Temporal is no exception. Mushy was not misquoted, he actally said something that was insensitive, stupid, and may be fatally harmful to his position as ``president.`` But then, Bush said one or two insensitive things when he went to New Orleans about him having ``too good a time in NO while a young man.`` How about the notorious ``It`s a Crusade`` comment right after 9/11. We all remember Bill Clinton`s ``I did not have ...`` comment. Maybe the embarrassment of this goof will be sufficient impetus for Mushy to get to the bottom of the Lahore Court, Multan police, and Panchayyat mystery. Dictatorship does have its advantages - maybe we won`t have to wait for years for some simple answers and quick justice.
THE CASE OF THE MUKHTAR MAI RAPE IS NOT YOUR COMMON CRIMINAL RAPE CASE INVOLVING SERIAL RAPISTS OR MASS RIOT-RELATED RAPES INVOLVING GANGS OR VIOLENT MOBS. THIS RAPE WAS SANCTIONED BY A QUASI-LEGAL AUTHORITY, THE GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY, KNOWN AS PANCHAYAT. THE SO-CALLED ``HONORABLE`` MEN PUNISHED AN INNOCENT WOMAN AND OTHER ``VOLUNTEERS`` CARRIED OUT THE VERDICT OF THIS AUTHORITY. THE POLICE, THE ADMINISTRATORS, AND EVEN THE LAHORE COURT ARE IMPLICATED IN THIS TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE. THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM HERE THAN MUSHARRAF, MUKHTARAN MAI, VISAS, AND THE WASHINGTON POST. THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE THINKING OF VILLAGE LEADERS AND LOCAL POLICE, NOT TO MENTION THE LAHORE COURT.
Rape is wrong. It`s criminal. It needs to be stamped out. There is never ANY excuse for rape. Stupid people often say stupid things and Mr. Temporal is no exception. Mushy was not misquoted, he actally said something that was insensitive, stupid, and may be fatally harmful to his position as ``president.`` But then, Bush said one or two insensitive things when he went to New Orleans about him having ``too good a time in NO while a young man.`` How about the notorious ``It`s a Crusade`` comment right after 9/11. We all remember Bill Clinton`s ``I did not have ...`` comment. Maybe the embarrassment of this goof will be sufficient impetus for Mushy to get to the bottom of the Lahore Court, Multan police, and Panchayyat mystery. Dictatorship does have its advantages - maybe we won`t have to wait for years for some simple answers and quick justice.
#22 Posted by Kulharee on September 20, 2005 9:46:23 am
Re: # 20
Dear Chauhan Sahib… give it a break. What in the world does Clinton or Bush even remotely have to do with the royal dumbness of Pakistanis? Just because Bush said something doesn’t mean that Pakistan is not a mess in terms of women and minority issues. You can’t point fingers towards Punchayat or Police or Courts while completely ignoring the fact that over 50% of our GDP goes towards the inept and most corrupt Armed Forces, and it leaves monkey’s testicles for other sectors of the economy. If there were justice system and Police presence (Police who is paid at par with Military bastards) in rural Pakistan, there won’t be cases as such (or at least as many). It is your Military that is raping the country, and is doing it dry. A dumbass and unintelligent Army Office makes 10 times (not counting his servants) than a 100 times brighter engineer in Public sector in Pakistan. A WAPDA engineer of Grade 18 can’t even afford to pay his electricity bill, and an Army Captain has his own Standard issued driver. Go figure.
Dear Chauhan Sahib… give it a break. What in the world does Clinton or Bush even remotely have to do with the royal dumbness of Pakistanis? Just because Bush said something doesn’t mean that Pakistan is not a mess in terms of women and minority issues. You can’t point fingers towards Punchayat or Police or Courts while completely ignoring the fact that over 50% of our GDP goes towards the inept and most corrupt Armed Forces, and it leaves monkey’s testicles for other sectors of the economy. If there were justice system and Police presence (Police who is paid at par with Military bastards) in rural Pakistan, there won’t be cases as such (or at least as many). It is your Military that is raping the country, and is doing it dry. A dumbass and unintelligent Army Office makes 10 times (not counting his servants) than a 100 times brighter engineer in Public sector in Pakistan. A WAPDA engineer of Grade 18 can’t even afford to pay his electricity bill, and an Army Captain has his own Standard issued driver. Go figure.
#19 Posted by arjun_m on September 20, 2005 8:21:08 am
aww...prophet tahmed(peace be unto his self-righteous left butt cheek) is ignoring the indian interactors again...
#17 Posted by tahmed32 on September 20, 2005 8:11:14 am
faisaluno: what ``Political capital`` is chowk going to make from this?? i realize of course that your beloved dictator is incapable of doing or saying anything wrong.
#16 Posted by tahmed32 on September 20, 2005 8:09:13 am
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#15 Posted by tahmed32 on September 20, 2005 8:06:34 am
#13/#14 I see the indian monkey-men have crawled into this article as well. :-)
#18 Posted by Kulharee on September 20, 2005 8:15:18 am
Re: # 15
Those who rapped MukhtaraN Mai and those are making fun of rap are not Indian monkey-men. They are your dedicated 5-time Nimazi Hajis Aashik-e-Rasool Allah pious and righteous men.
Those who rapped MukhtaraN Mai and those are making fun of rap are not Indian monkey-men. They are your dedicated 5-time Nimazi Hajis Aashik-e-Rasool Allah pious and righteous men.
#13 Posted by satyamvada on September 20, 2005 7:32:38 am
Mantolives comment#1 is a perfect example of his character:
He is rationalizing the rape (it happens everywhere) and the mistake seems only
about Mushys comments !! - so all that needs to be done is some PR !!
A typical Rich-Anglicized-Paki-Elite view.
The issue is not only about the rape, but the whole systemic issue of the the laws
and the behavior of the authorities.
Mantolives comments show that the so called ``educated/liberal`` elites of pakistan
are merely pretenders - wanting to cover up the problems.
#14 Posted by Kulharee on September 20, 2005 7:47:30 am
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