Unfit For Command

Mohar #47 {``we know you have had rough times with pakis in here and we sympathize with that - but you don`t have to sing paeans to this jacka$$.... :))) ``}

Mohar,
It is a concentration camp syndrome. I heard that prison guards who tortured the inmates were considered evil. Those that just hit them now and then were considered kind, and those who gave them food, water, and compassion were thought to be angels of mercy. :)

It`s all relative. He is much nicer than the really bad ones - Faisaluno, Atif, Temporal, and so on.

Re: # 49

True...It`s all relative...

Salim: while i thank you for the nice remarks, they are indeed unmerited. and in this i agree for once with my loyal campfollower, mr. mohar, in whom they obviously caused great agony causing him to erupt in his usual elegant style that we have all come to know and admire.

as for who is a nice guy - i think chowk posts are not enough evidence of that. as far as i am concerned, all chowkies are nice guys in real life: its just that some are so damned stupid that one does not wish to waste precious chowk time on them, except maybe to have a bit of fun. :-)

mr. kulharee #44 You are not smart enough to pass as a pakistani. anyone who tries to be what he is not on chowk is by definition to stupid to get away with it. trust me. dullabhatti likes to think you are a pakistani, but he did that by ignoring the reasons i provided. so have a nice day. maybe if you are really good in this life, in your next incarnation you will get your wish and be born a pakistani.

dullbhatti #43 i am sorry but i have to disagree on kulharee - please see the post i wrote earlier and the reasons i indicated.

my use of the term pandit-hate is accurate and obviously does not apply to all indians. only those who are incapable of writing anything other berating pakistanis or muslims while thumping their own chest trying to act (as i said) that india is USA-east, ignoring the cesspool that is the plight of women in india (as i mentioned). surely this should be obvious enough to you, if you re-read my earlier posts.


in any case, despite our disagrement on this point, let me use this opportunity to express my appreciation for your interesting posts on chowk written in a fine, gentlemanlike manner.

tahmed sahib...ki kahaN main hun...your solution to everything is...``re-read my earlier posts``. why one can be a Pakistani only due to certain reasons as you list? do you believe one has to satisfy certain conditions to be a Pakistani?..I was laughing when I read you calling Kulharee not smart enough to be one....when did it become a condition being smart to be any thing, forget being Pakistani? you know if that was a condition 9/10th of your army will automatically become Indian.:-)

dullbhatti #54 I protest!! Now you are letting out our national secrets (i.e. by revealing that 9/10th of our army boys are dumb)!! :-)

On the nationality of Mr. Kulharee, you can dress up a bakra in a suit but he will still give himself away by saying ``ba-a-a-a`` rather than ``good morning``. I have collected a few of the ``ba-a-a-a`` from kulharee for your convenience:

post number #30 ``Perhaps you should check out the male-female ratio of Pakistan as well..and here’s a news for you: it is pretty much the same as it is in India – that means that female infanticide is as prevalent in Pakistan as much as it is in India.``

If he was Pakistani, he would realize that while we have other issues (like the rape cases), large scale female infanticide is not one of them.

post #44 ``yes I am a Pakistani (not very proud of it, but I have no choice, I was born with it`` This statement reflects the common myth that Pandit-Hates try to spread that Pakistanis are ashamed of their nationality or feel bad about being Pakistanis.

also same post ``if you are a non-Muslim (constitutionally that is), you can be persecuted for saying Asalam-o-Lakum to someone. Your Passport is the way for you to find out what religion you belong to. I feel so bad for Pakistanis that don’t have passports. They don’t know what religion they belong to. It’s really very sad``

This again betrays ignorance of Pakistan - most Pakistanis are very pleased (as most people are) if someone greets them in their own language. This again is a myth of the Indian ``experts`` on Pakistan (who have never stepped inside that country), i.e. the Pandit-Hates.

I could go on. But if these indications of ``ba-a-a-a`` from a Pandit-Hate claiming to be a pakistani dont convince you, nothing will. I dont blame you though - if I was an Indian with self-respect (as you are), I too would find it difficult to acknowledge anything in common with the kind of Pandit-Hate freaks that show up on chowk. Pakistanis quarrel among themselves, hold all sorts of opinions from extreme right to extreme left - but they dont have this one-track mind of of obsession with insulting other people`s religions or nationalities that is the trademark of the Pandit-Hates who come to chowk.

Re: # 55

My mentally challenged friend tahmed32, Do I have to win a Nobel Prize to convince you that I am a Pakistani (just to piss you off, I am not going to win one). As you yourself mentioned that I am not smart enough, so I guess I can’t do either (convince you or win a Nobel Prize). But I have a Pakistani Passport, it says both my citizenship and religion (alhamdullilah, it says I am a Muslim Pakistani – did cost me a whopping 200 dollars – it’s a bit too much if you ask me. For that much I wana be a Wahabi).

kulharee,

your profile says something about you being from a religious minority. i wouldn`t worry too much about what some people say or defend being pakistani. believe me i`ve come across ``you`re an indian`` or ``self-hating pakistani`` remarks myself when i say things that are perceived as anti-national. . . and regardless of whether you are pakistani or not, these chachas and babas like to put everyone in one neat box, abdul-hates or pandit-hates, while ignoring what`s in their own hearts and minds.

and the beat goes on. . . .

Salim:
#27

I don`t agree with Temporal, though, that rape is a cornerstone of the military dictatorship`s domestic policy.

I’m curious. Where exactly did you pick that up from temporal? One only has to take a cursory glance at his interacts to know where he stands on women’s issues. He certainly has no love loss with the army (neither do many of us) but I have never known him to imply what you suggest. Words are a serious matter for some of us. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from attributing to others (even if you dislike them) ideas or phrases without a reference/link to the exact post. Thanks.

And regarding the “insidious political agenda” of “people such as Temporal”; I guess that would be the one where they want an end to dictatorship and open the road for democracy in pakistan. You disagree with this salim?

On a final note, I do very much agree with this statement of yours:

….I think that the best way to help achieve women`s rights is to dismantle gender segregation as much as possible. Once women have equal participation in the day-to-day life of Pakistan,… (#41)

best,
miriam

Miriam #58,
Of course Temporal did not come right out and say that rape is a cornerstone of the military dictatorship`s policy. My statement was a sarcastic observation of Temporal`s eagerness to capitalize on almost anything that goes wrong in Pakistan and use it to present a case for restoration of ``democracy.`` If you have been following the unfortunately too many recent cases of highly-publicized rapes, Mr. Temporal is usually at the forefront of demonstrating, pontificating, and inciting a hate campaign against Mushy. This gives the appearance that he may actually look forward to more rapes just so that he can put the final nails in Mushy`s coffin.

Now, I agree with you that we all want democracy everywhere, including Pakistan. Unfortunatley, ``democracy`` in Pakistan would mean either a return to the oligarchy of the past or a new theorcracy a la Tally Ban. I hope you have the honesty to admit that there were more abuses of power, more nepotism, more oppression, less liberty, and more suppression of free speech under Benazir and Nawaz Sharif and ZAB than under Musharraf nowadays. Unless, we can see a clear rule of law under civilian rule, most practical people prefer this benign dictatorship.

Thanks for your appreciation of my views regarding gender segregation.

I apprecaite and honor your viewpoint.

Tahmed baba, for the last time....no has ever won a Nobel Prize or dinner for 2 at McDonalds on Chowk for winning an argument but for the sake of sayign it once again that what I am saying is truth....too bad he is thorn in the but but he is a Pakistani...if you say he is a haraami and kanjar of first class I will agree with you...he is the biggest lucha you will find on...ahem..your side of the border:-) ..emphasis is on `your side of the border`.:-)

I understadn you disagree with his views....no problem with that....what you do based on that is wrong...you call him Indian because his views don`t fit streotypical Pak views. Thats all. aggay tusi bazurg te siyane O.

Typing haraami with one ``a`` after ``r`` got it highlighted....eh Chowk censorship baRhi burger ay;)

salim:
#59

This gives the appearance that he may actually look forward to more rapes just so that he can put the final nails in Mushy`s coffin..

I think you may be adding 2 and 2 and getting 5 here. But I did want to clarify the earlier comment, so thanks for the explanation.

And regarding the corrupt governments of benazir et al, of course I concur. But as an extremely wise friend of mine pointed out to me, when I said a similar thing some months ago. The road to democracy is seldom smooth, especially for countries like Pakistan. Let the people decide; hold elections, have a vote. Pakistan has to learn its way into a democracy. If you keep halting it and instituting a dictatorship every time there’s corruption, we’ll never get there. But by all means improve the system of checks and balances so there are consequences to corruption.

miriam

miriam #62, {`` think you may be adding 2 and 2 and getting 5 here. ..
... If you keep halting it and instituting a dictatorship every time there’s corruption, we’ll never get there. But by all means improve the system of checks and balances so there are consequences to corruption.

Miriam,
Actually I added 2 and 2 and came up with 4.5 :) I apologize for the slight exaggeration.

Each time the four prime ministerships were interrupted was a case of the country going to the dogs. There was violence, rampant corruption, and military called in by these ``civilian`` dictators to shoot their own people in the streets of Pakistan`s largest city. The last time, Nawaz Sharif knew no bounds. He was firing people left and right and trying to turn a huge mandate into a unanimous one for his perpetual rule. ZAB was guilty of similar violations when he rigged his election, which he would have easily won failry anyway.

Your idea about checks and balances is a good one. Now, who will enforce these checks and balances? The military?

Re: # 62

Miriamk. Not only is the road not smooth, it has a steep rock on one side and a 100000 feet ditch on the other, and there is no fence either to prevent a caravan from falling. The democrats in Pakistan tend to believe that it will solve all problems of the country, and that view is no different from the anarchist or those who think dictatorship or a theocratic state is the answer. The only system that may ever be successful in cases like Pakistan is provincial autonomy tied only by a lose confederation, and let everyone have their own little form of what they want (including Mullahism) – the result of such a structure will be (Inshallah) similar to what happened to Yugoslavia, and I am sure it will please a lot of people. I am all for it (not that it matters), and I hope unlike the Greece`s objection to Macedonia, Sikhs wont object to a country called Punjab.

Bhatti Sahib… I am your Kulharee, and you are my Gandasa.