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faisaluno: what ``Political capital`` is chowk going to make from this?? i realize of course that your beloved dictator is incapable of doing or saying anything wrong.

aww...prophet tahmed(peace be unto his self-righteous left butt cheek) is ignoring the indian interactors again...

Re: # 20

Dear Chauhan Sahib… give it a break. What in the world does Clinton or Bush even remotely have to do with the royal dumbness of Pakistanis? Just because Bush said something doesn’t mean that Pakistan is not a mess in terms of women and minority issues. You can’t point fingers towards Punchayat or Police or Courts while completely ignoring the fact that over 50% of our GDP goes towards the inept and most corrupt Armed Forces, and it leaves monkey’s testicles for other sectors of the economy. If there were justice system and Police presence (Police who is paid at par with Military bastards) in rural Pakistan, there won’t be cases as such (or at least as many). It is your Military that is raping the country, and is doing it dry. A dumbass and unintelligent Army Office makes 10 times (not counting his servants) than a 100 times brighter engineer in Public sector in Pakistan. A WAPDA engineer of Grade 18 can’t even afford to pay his electricity bill, and an Army Captain has his own Standard issued driver. Go figure.

At the risk of getting banned by Mr. Temporal and his henchmen, let me try to shed some logic into this issue:

THE CASE OF THE MUKHTAR MAI RAPE IS NOT YOUR COMMON CRIMINAL RAPE CASE INVOLVING SERIAL RAPISTS OR MASS RIOT-RELATED RAPES INVOLVING GANGS OR VIOLENT MOBS. THIS RAPE WAS SANCTIONED BY A QUASI-LEGAL AUTHORITY, THE GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY, KNOWN AS PANCHAYAT. THE SO-CALLED ``HONORABLE`` MEN PUNISHED AN INNOCENT WOMAN AND OTHER ``VOLUNTEERS`` CARRIED OUT THE VERDICT OF THIS AUTHORITY. THE POLICE, THE ADMINISTRATORS, AND EVEN THE LAHORE COURT ARE IMPLICATED IN THIS TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE. THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM HERE THAN MUSHARRAF, MUKHTARAN MAI, VISAS, AND THE WASHINGTON POST. THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE THINKING OF VILLAGE LEADERS AND LOCAL POLICE, NOT TO MENTION THE LAHORE COURT.

Rape is wrong. It`s criminal. It needs to be stamped out. There is never ANY excuse for rape. Stupid people often say stupid things and Mr. Temporal is no exception. Mushy was not misquoted, he actally said something that was insensitive, stupid, and may be fatally harmful to his position as ``president.`` But then, Bush said one or two insensitive things when he went to New Orleans about him having ``too good a time in NO while a young man.`` How about the notorious ``It`s a Crusade`` comment right after 9/11. We all remember Bill Clinton`s ``I did not have ...`` comment. Maybe the embarrassment of this goof will be sufficient impetus for Mushy to get to the bottom of the Lahore Court, Multan police, and Panchayyat mystery. Dictatorship does have its advantages - maybe we won`t have to wait for years for some simple answers and quick justice.

Also, I think that preventing Mukhtara Mai from traveling was more sinister, cruel, and problematic than the utterances of a stupid man who doesn`t think before running his mouth. That was a deliberate attempt at suppression of free speech. We should throw Mushy and his gang out for that reason and NOT for this stupidity.

Kulharee #22, {``It is your Military that is raping the country, and is doing it dry. A dumbass and unintelligent Army Office makes 10 times (not counting his servants) than a 100 times brighter engineer in Public sector in Pakistan``}

Now you understand why I am for reunification. Now you can have it all - democracy, Kashmir, better economy, a somewhat better judiciary, free elections, women`s rights, and you won`t need a visa to visit Bihar. Try it you might like it. No Mushy, no BB, no Nawaz.

What a wonderful gift Democracy is! How wonderfully civil our S Asian IT generation is!

Turning the most horrendous of women`s dilemma into a slugfest to cover personal inadequacies and hatred. As if Musharraf`s stupidity wasn`t enough, every Ditta and Hari is dying to show off the pimple on his bony ass.

Kudos to both ``bright`` and ``educated`` Indians and Pakistanis.

:-)~~

Re: # 25

>>>>>If you people really were concerned about the plight of women - you would look at the cesspool that exists in India - a cesspool of greed - where brides are burnt to death in the tens of thousands every year in order to make room for a second one with dowry; where parents kill their unborn daughters with the help of doctors who abuse their access to modern technology to identify the gender of the unborn - to the extent of there being a deficit of available females for marriage to the tune of 25 million in just the delhi/haryana area alone according to one article i read in a US paper.<<<<<<

also # 26

>>>>Salim: that is a good point you make in #21 about the real wrong-doing on the part of the musharaff government being that of trying to prevent mukhtar mai from speaking out. as for you earlier point about relations with india, i think anyone who has seen the amount of hatred in the post of every second indian on chowk would understand why Pakistan was founded. <<<<<



Tahmed32,,, what would looking towards India do? Would doing so make Pakistan look better? You really think that calling someone Hindu or Indian is an insult? 1000 times more Muslims decided to stay in India than to go to Pak; do you mean to imply that they all live in a cesspool? Perhaps you should check out the male-female ratio of Pakistan as well..and here’s a news for you: it is pretty much the same as it is in India – that means that female infanticide is as prevalent in Pakistan as much as it is in India. Or you might actually believe that Muslim pricks produce only male offspring? One thing is becoming so obvious however, that India is the gauge that some Pakistanis judge their own country by. Please look towards Rwanda or Uganda or some other basketcase and don’t belittle India by comparing it to Pakistan. Thank you and god bless.

Kulharee: Pakistan has its problems, like any society. However, Pakistanis dont need the services of Pandit-Hates like you and ``paki-paki`` arjun from India to remind us of the religious primitives we have in our society.

If you people really were concerned about the plight of women - you would look at the cesspool that exists in India - a cesspool of greed - where brides are burnt to death in the tens of thousands every year in order to make room for a second one with dowry; where parents kill their unborn daughters with the help of doctors who abuse their access to modern technology to identify the gender of the unborn - to the extent of there being a deficit of available females for marriage to the tune of 25 million in just the delhi/haryana area alone according to one article i read in a US paper.

> anyone who has seen the amount of hatred in the post of every second indian on chowk
> would understand why Pakistan was founded...
Hmmm. Seems like every Indian hates Pukees. [Except of course our beloved muslim bros
who have a soft corner for them.]
And of course, the RoW hates Muslims in general. Because, as is well known, Muslims are the
best people in the world. And all of us are jealous of them because they are ahead of us all.
And of course, they posess the truth in their book, which came straight from His mouth. Arrey
I am talking about HIM. You know na... the one whose name must not be taken .... (abey not Voldermort).

Muslims wanted to be love and be loved here in India; the wicked brahmins (Sikhs too ?)
drove them away. The remaining muslims suffer so much in India.... thank god for the land
of the pure.
Sigh ,,,, that gentle cult ..........

Neways, I digress.
But I do agree that the situation here in India isn`t exactly 1st world. And as tahmed32
rightly points out we have a lot of ground to cover too. With regard to Haryana, It is indeed
true that there is a shortage of brides because of female infanticide. And the jats now
have to go to places like MP for brides. But I think the figure of 25 million is kinda bloated.

But the stupid Punjabi and Jats are getting there just deserts. By the way, this phenomenon
seems to be prevalent in the north west of india only. Out here in Chennai, there seems to
be a glut of girls. Not that I am complainig .....

regards,
SN

Salim: that is a good point you make in #21 about the real wrong-doing on the part of the musharaff government being that of trying to prevent mukhtar mai from speaking out. as for you earlier point about relations with india, i think anyone who has seen the amount of hatred in the post of every second indian on chowk would understand why Pakistan was founded.

#26, Thank you, Tahmed Sahib. I think that actions speak louder than words. The ban on MukhtaraN Mai`s ability to travel was much more damaging and insensitive than Mushy`s stupid comments. I don`t agree with Temporal, though, that rape is a cornerstone of the military dictatorship`s domestic policy. I hope you can understand the separate issues I voiced - disgust at the sanctioned rape of MukhtaraN Mai, stupidity of Mushy`s comment, and regret at people such as Temporal making a circus out of rapes in Pakistan to advance their own insidious political agenda. As far as relations with India are concerned, I am hopeful. The hatred expressed by Indians here on Chowk is unfortunately not unlike the hatred people in Pakistan have for each other, just because of the uniform de jour. In reality, both Indians and Pakistanis are fond of each other and can get along.
Have a nice evening, Sir.

It is always easy to criticize.We must put ourselves in Mushaaraf`s shoes, trying , hard as he is , to transform his society.He wants , i assume , to put his best `foot` forward and doesn`t appreciate situations that get adverse publicity such as Mai`s.He is clearly upset by the failure of those espousing Mai`s cause to soft-peddle the issue.I guess, that`s why he`s lashing out, `cause he has nothing to lose.

Kulharee: tere jaise Indian loag yahaN aa kar Pakistan ka naam badnam kartay hain...I knew it from day one you are an Indian troll;) lekin kulharee achhi chalate ho:)

Re: # 32

You are right on the spot..actually Mush has picked this up from the Paki elite circles...and he is convinced that much of it is true.....that is why he narrated this with conviction as if it is a very plausible explanation for the rapes.......................I had predicted that this fauzi rascal is going to form an alliance with the dominant cartel of business houses in Pakistan- the so called elites........obtain huge donations and support from them in order to assist them in creating hard entry conditions and barriers in their respective business domains............ensure that these cartels do not fact any competition...............favour them in government contracts................thereby kick up the Paki economy...................but ensure that the poor remain where they are..............ensure that the lower class pests remain enslaved in the farms..............ensure that the distribution of riches become even more skewed..............ensure that economy becomes a slave to his martial law politics...................I can predict that he is going to destroy not merely the economy of Pakistan when he goes unless and until he is replaced by another dictator who can continue these alliances...........I can predict that in the end he would ensure that the position of the women and poor worsens................