Poor People are Dogs or Even Worse!

a typical hypocrat!.. doesn`t have to be so... it should be `A TYPICAL PAKI`... whats been injected into our veins, the viens of the whole nation (if u consider it to be 1!) is inferiority complex... we all live with it and if at all we get a chance to opress someone we feel elated... may the opressed one (phycially, mentally or in any other way), be someone of the street or a woman from the family... this is how we have become... this is how everyone one acts..... good for all but the weaker one!.... wahtever!

if this is a true story..what else do you expect from a feudal; it runs in his veins..he is a typical hypocrat, a pseudo progressive!!

I am sure Aqil is not alone. He has plenty of company.

Equating poverty to virtue is downright silly. I grew up in an urban area. I have seen plenty of cases where poor folks who steal. If they caught they are given thrashing of their lives.

kaurasach #49

`` To those who think that this treatment is the only language they understand,

then, why do you yelp like currs when Arabs, Westerners, and British mette out the same treatment that you `deserve`. Next time the Arab slaps you and treats you like a dog, YOU deserved it and that is the only language you understand. ``

Once in a while I really think desis deserve the bad treatment they get.

Re: # 51

Hamzaad`s posts are always amusing for two reasons:

1. they contain opinions that are entirely unsolicited
2. they are such models of convolutions, Hamzaad Shab should really market them as a halal yoga program....not that he`d split any profits from using my idea...

Um...could someone remind Hamzaad Shab that this piece focused on male engagement with the exploitation of girl child labor? Hamzaad Shab is welcome to write his fantasy about feminazis cracking the whip on pregnant slaves who are forced to use their own blood to provide the ink for a feminist newspaper...I mean, really, tell him to go all out.
It wouldnt be much different from all the other male perspectives we get on every aspect of women`s lives....we know it mortally wounds Hamzaad Shab to have to read the text of women much much smarter than himself...and that would be enough for me....

Re: # 37

http://chowk.com/show_forum_topic_post_list.cgi?tid=00025755

`#37 by Saminasha on October 12, 2005 5:03pm PT
There are many ways to interpret this work.

Here`s what I admired about it:

The author looks into male violence and his own inability to confront it. Aqil, for all his platforms, seems to descend into the condition that inhabited his father.`

Levitating on her own farts and feeling holy about it, samina has concluded that it was the maleness of Aqil that burst out those words and that attitude. Surely it is inconceivable that an Aqila would utter those words. Also this attitude must have been learnt from the father and NOT THE MOTHER because.. whogivesashit.

What has happened in samina`s life that would urge her to feed on the misery of a poor woman and her child, in a land far far away, and appropriate the victimhood to include herself? Answer: whogivesashit.

Would a parasite, living off the educational welfare system for imbeciles, know that servants in Pakistan are treated mainly and shabbily by women of the house themselves. Would the `elder` women in samina`s house (who also told her fairy tales and lullabies) recount how they treated their servants or, alternatively, how they were treated as servants in India? Answer: whogivesashit.

Re: # 48
Me too, these type of events happen in small towns(meerut, hyderabad, nagpur) etc.

Thing that bothers me is that people who participate in this Nanga Pan are actually respectable part of the society.

To those who think that this treatment is the only language they understand,

then, why do you yelp like currs when Arabs, Westerners, and British mette out the same treatment that you `deserve`. Next time the Arab slaps you and treats you like a dog, YOU deserved it and that is the only language you understand.

Delhiwala,

I understand, I was enraged at the sitation in Hyderabad. I was shocked to know that such incidents are still prevelant.

#36, it`s the rich who drive philantrophy efforts. practically speaking, there`s nothing wrong with cause marketing. free lunches induce beggary. give and take is not a bad idea, there is some incentive to contribute. fat free appetizers are not a bad idea either. Just because someone is rich does not mean he has to carry the entire world`s burden on his shoulders.

so what`s new? isn`t nearly everyone a hypocrite, about something or the other, sometime or the other? there are many aqil-types in feudals, so? that doesn`t diminish their worth in any way. every top to bottom school in the west is littered with them. they do ayashi on some poor babaji`s sweat, write great reformist theses, do pro bono internships at the UN, then go back and lord it up. big deal. you can`t really even blame them. it`s the way they were raised. plus, even aqil-tyrants have their uses. you can`t expect one person to change or even challenge the system, he`d be a fool and look like a simpering simpleton to even try.

as for the poor child, she`s a poor child. circumstance. you pet them, pity them, and forget them. we do it everyday.

Re: # 43

dear mantolives:

about the other side...i liked what you said. what they think is their right and what we think is ours. let`s mutually respect that.

vis BMW: there`s absolutely no reason to loathe it for either its beauty or my inability to get one. at least, its manufacturer has a provident fund, health insurance and a right to appeal if someone`s to be fired. as i mentioned in my previous post: keeping the balance is important. also that i am not much into cars, i am pretty happy the way my suzuki rolls! series 7 or 70, i shall never loath it.

adios.

Re: # 42
Sorry for calling you a dude when you are a woman.
Are you enraged at what happened to the “victims” or enraged at me?

FYI, I don’t that think I will ever become normal in terms of my pure thinking and innocence. When I encountered these incidents I was very young, just starting high school and used to be in a totally different frame of mind. At that time I simply had no clue about how to respond to this harshness and injustice of life. I guess I was very sheltered by my parents, now I feel sorry for these people and the system around me that made me helpless then to not act. I am trying to change everyday and my Guru`s teachings are helping me to transform. Dear Aman BehenJee, my Guru and his teachings have given me solace and strength to deal with situations like those. I am striving to overcome my fears and challenges that I encounter, and I falter every day and then strive again.

If I can measure the horror then I would rate the looks of that little boy and girl sitting side-by-side outside the Nizamuddin Mosque in Delhi with no hands/legs/toungue staring blankly like a statute hoping for some money, and then a Goonda standing not too far behind observing how much money is donated by pious Muslims. That sight freaks me out; even now I remember that pock-marked face of that bastard wearing a skull cap.

Last time when I was in Delhi, I did go there(I love Lodhi Garden Estate and that whole area), and tried to locate the kids. There were gone, you could other beggars but not those, on enquiry I found that they might have moved over Jama Masjid area.

Sad.

mubakr,

Dear socialist brother...

Don`t worry... most on the other side will say the same thing in reverse...

`Even if a BMW or a Merc driver is a socialist...`

By the BMW is a great car... have you seen the 7 series Long Chasis that has become fashionable in our cities now?

Don`t loathe it because it is beautiful.

delhiwala,

firstly, i am not a guy and secondly i was enraged when i read abt what u had written.

EVERYBODY:

first: this is both fiction and reality. the shattering of aqil`s image is real and so is six years` old girl. my friendship with the character is partially fictional but it did exist for quite some time.

second: i did protest and asked him to cool his temper when it happened in a different situation to what i have written about. there was no point of writing about all the discussion that i had had with him. i left in disgust and have refused to take his calls on my cell since then. i do not have any hopes that my friendly sermons would ever going to change him. so why befriend a someone who`s so hypocritical in ``practice and preach?``

third: vis intercon-socialist, i think this terms is pretty apt but as we should all bear in mind that keeping the balance is important. let`s not presume that all socialists should have certain kinds of personalities and they should stink with fatigues on them having flowing hair and beards. intercon-socialism is wrong. it definitely is. dall roti provides perfect nutrition for the day.

fourth: comments hinting that chowk is full of psuedo intellectuals...well, i would rather exist with any form of intellectual exercise than none. even if a socialist drives a BMW or a Merc...i would not have much of a difference if his treatment of fellow human beings is acceptable. if one is powerless to create new ropes then wisdom lies in working with the available ropes.

fifth: thank you all for your comments, criticism and above all: feeling the tone of what i wrote.

pretty sad. one shouldn`t take feudals unwilling to sacrifice their heritage seriously.

just as one shouldn`t take the pak army seriously. the latter are as bad.