gawd!

why is there such a hue and cry? just be pragmatic for a moment and think honestly. there are innumerable cases where these `victims` have used this as a means of getting to greener pastures. has everyone forgotten saima arshad and others like the couple????

also, would someone please try to explain how sonia naz ended up inside the parliament building in the first place? it takes eons just to get past the various security personnel on a normal non-session day, so how come she got to the parliament while the session was on..............................was she planted there? if you think not, then just try to get into the building on your own, you will see for yourself how much of an effort it is.

furthermore, i read somewhere that she was inside the parliament during the session, because she was looking for her husband?!?!?!!?? if he was already running from law enforcing agencies due to his alleged involvement in fraudulent transactions, the parliament building would be the last place to go to.

has anybody got the answers?

Re: # 10

Thank you for your concern and sincere wishes.

NGOs - perhaps I should`ve made it clear that ALL NGOs are not in it for the political and/or financial benefits. There are numerous local Non-Governmental Organizations in Pakistan that continue their effort relentlessly. The thorn in my eyes are the ones with Western backing. They have not solved anything yet. Instead they`ve furthered the confusion amongst the masses. They are the civilian equivalent of the Western armies wreaking havoc in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For me there are no `select` cases; all of them deserve equal attention and support sans expolitation for personal gains. Perhaps it would help you to understand my pov better if you re-read #3.

Earlier on another board I called the bluff that our `compassionate` western-funded NGO supporters when one of them suggested ``vigilanteism`` is the only viable solution. Sure, that`s all it turned out to be - a `bluff`. EVERY SINGLE one of these passionate humanists, biggest proponents of freedom and action to achieve it disappeared like ``horns from a donkey`s head``. Therefore, the only few donkeys I associate with inhabit this chowk.

So, I beg to differ from your assertion that I disappear unannounced. I`ve always begged to be excused whenever (possible for me) for my planned/unplanned absences. And that ``I`d [rather] brush it under the rug.`` As a sincere critic of mine and `meray dost`, it beehoves you to visit Pakistan`s villages, slums, and politically/economically/judicially disenfranchised communities to see who`s sustaining them after Allah and their own will. Until then, your claims will remain hollow.

What`s the status of MM`s case at HRCP? She`s no news anymore there...Sonia Naz is. Pretty soon there will another one to replace Sonia, while the older ones are dumped by the ``humane`` US and HRCP officials and they`re left to deal with the vicious life by themselves.

Yet, unfortunately you find it ironic for me to defend most critical part of me - the women. My mother, sisters, wife, and daughter are an integral part of me. So not to be concerned about them is a disservice to myself. Same is true vice versa. I sincerely hope you already knew that.

``THOREE see kum meharbaani`` - talk about ungratefulness! :-)~~

I understand why my meharbaani is not as welcome as that of a secular, but I don`t think my secular friends here understand that it`s just as important for me to obey Allah`s Laws as it is for them to obey the laws GWB and Musharraf `solemnly` vow to uphold in public ceremonies.

My dardhi is me, dear. I am who I am, i.e. not a slave to the public opinion, particularly the public that puts material over intelligence.

cheers
:-)~~

#3 by ntsyed

Advance warning:

Dear sir, please note that nothing in the following post is intended to belittle the trauma of that earlier personal tragedy that you have referred to in #3, from which I wish you recovery with Godspeed.

Sincerely,
Beej.

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NTSyed sahib, ye kya maamla hai?

You disappear for a long time – like horns from the head of a donkey – as if terrified by the chowk crowds into abandoning your post – as if there are no bathrooms available in the immediate vicinity – then, when you DO stealthily sneak back in, what do you do?!!

You bad mouth the NGO’s.

Are janab, unhon ne aapka kya bigaara hai?

Aaap – jee haan, aaap, kya karte in “select” cases mein? Farmaiye!

Carpet utha kar sara kuchra uske under ghusate rehte? Janab, wahan jagah hi nahin bachee hai – aapne, yaa aapke doosre doston ne, pehle se kafee maal bhur rakkha hai!

Aur ye aap aurton kee “traumatizing events” ko kub se samajhne lage? Kya aap pichhle janam mein aurat hua karte the? Bus jara aurton pur THOREE see kum meharbaani kar dein – to wo aapkee BAHOT shukar-gujar hongee!

PS: Aur aap apnee icons bhee badaliye – woh dadhee thoree puranee ho chukee hogee – oosmein khatmal lug chuke honge! Jee haan!

#7 Teshah

Janab, Aaj-kal aap najar nahin aate hain? Aapki tabeeyat to theek hai? Shayad ye sub Lahore ke mausam ka nateeza hai!

I sympathize with the part of #7 where you stated that speaking what one considers the plain truth can get people into trouble (remember the last time you plainly admitted your old-flame – that long-ago “junoon”) like Mushy recently found out.

The problem with fauzis is they seem to live in a world all by themselves – they don’t have much clue regarding the world of civilians – REAL problems – and REAL concerns, and to make it worse they can become very contemptuous of civilians and civilian leaders. Such a disconnect makes them think and say the most absurd things, even though in their minds, they are doing everybody a favor by staying on and carrying on.

Ye Bulleh Shah kaun se shakhs hain?

Thank God for the NGO`s

Shakir

Bulleh Shah had said, ``Sach aakhan te bhamarh machda``. Musharraf had spoken out the truth and lo he has touched a honet`s nest. But he is no less responsible for making rape a `money making concern` in Pakistan. He paid out a lot of money (probably out of public exchequer) to the rape victims like Mai and Shazia with a view to makng some political mileage out of it at the cost public funds without thinking that he is making rape thereby a money making `consensual rape` prostitution which would tarnish the image of our nation more than mere prostitution as every pros would then turn to this more profitable and even glorifying business.

ntsyed #5, {``Kinda like what the NGOs are already doing - successfully for themselves and unsuccessfully for the common Pakistani. ``}

Touche - you hit the nail right on the head. Now we understand the whole racket. Thank you. Charity, compassion, medical assistance, relief, and all such ``goodies`` are all lying on the road sharing the debris with victims of ``do gooders,`` and self-appointed ``protectors`` as the ``angels of mercy`` laugh all the way to the bank.

Re: # 4

Ditto!

Not to mention, most of the favorites are big on talk but short on everything else. There`s this one individual, and I`m not gonna name a name, who`s always calling for a long term project outlook, but never puts forth an agenda beyond `micro-loans` to women. As far as I can tell, the individual doesn`t even have a clue about the root cause of this curse on our society, let alone an idea of the ground reality as to what`s going on and what not. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yeah...the World Bank and the IMF. The said individual seems to have the impression that `micro-loans` would somehow `empower` the women in a place where groups of men cannot operate a business decently. Kinda like what the NGOs are already doing - successfully for themselves and unsuccessfully for the common Pakistani.

Such characters abound at chowk, and I`ve had it with them. They remind me of an old joke in Punjab.

Two friends were going somewhere when they`re attacked by a mucho `kharrant` bandito. One of them takes on the bandito, and the other is nowhere to be found. After the ordeal is over, the fighter asks his friend why didn`t he help. The friend said he was looking for a brick to bust open the bandito`s head and couldn`t find it until the fight was over. Similarly, when you ask our chowkie `muhibbe-watan` jawans and their female colleagues to put their money where mouths are, they`re nowhere to be found...probably counting the change somewhere in the corner.

From now on, I`d rather have fun with our Ahmedi friends with their futile efforts to convince me that MGA was a real prophet. I`ve heard, and Allah Knows best, that they tried to make a heaven somewhere in Pak, complete with hoors and all. Please remind me to confirm that with our special friends next time they join us.


;-)~~

Husain Sahib,
No doubt a good article, but sir, you are a day late and a ruppe short. Most of us professional critics are tired and exhausted after having gone through the other 87 articles on this subject. I am sure that you submitted your in plenty of time, but were held in queue so that the favorites could get published first. How will we ever solve the rape problem when we can`t even instill fairness in our media?

There`s no denying that Musharraf was completely out of line on saying what he did, and he must take some concrete steps towards the impossible task of undoing his latest folly.

However, I must say the NGOs are not helping the situation. The way they publicize the `select` cases, most rape victims wouldn`t want to come forward. One must remember that it`s probably THE MOST traumatizing event imaginable for any woman.

On another board someone accurately noted that during a rape the victims is struggling for her life...not her chastity. Having witnessed my brother shot during a robbery and struggling for his life seconds afterwards, I personally know how difficult it is to keep myself composed whenever I recall that incident; and that when I wasn`t even a victim. Not to mention I`m a man, thus expected to be able to deal with it relatively easily.

It doesn`t matter if the woman is American or Pakistani or any nationality, I can only imagine that it cannot be a soothing situation by any means for her to recant the story over and over and over again until she becomes numb and the audience becomes desensitized. That`s probably why a lot of rapes in the US aren`t reported either; where there`s all sorts of legal and social help available to women. Eventaully the focus shifts from the victim to the NGOs and the dumbasses for Presidents.

Instead of wasting cycles on publicizing the case and making a name for themselves at the expense of the victims, why can`t they take legal action and do some real work? After all, unlike the unsung Pakistani individuals/groups who continue to do their work volutarily day-in and day-out quietly, these guys have a lot of money and political clout to get something real done in the courts.

Therefore, their credibility will remain doubtful for me until they produce results. Until then, they`re nothing but ambulance-chasing lawyers trying to get a quick buck and 15 minutes of fame at the expense of the victim. The hell with the President, the police, the courts, AND the N-freakin`-GOs.

:-|~~

he was suerly drunk while he was giving interview.........if he wasn`t then surely he lost all the wisdom with the pessage of time......after all age does matter

It’s the stuff that Bush-isms are made of as the good General must be observing


Bushisms are mis-pronounciations or malapropisms...El-Presidente`s statement was well thought out and pronounced...

This isn`t a Dan Quayle Potatoe moment..He didn`t misspell or mispronounce something...HE said what he actually believes and he`s trying to backtrack faster than his army did from Kargil....