Growing Up Red

Urstruly #24:

bhai aik baat batao

Allah kay paigham `ootertay` rahay...akhri paigham aai hu`aye bhee 1500 saal ho ga`aye...humaiN yeh bataiiyay...kay is sub kay bawajood...aaj 2005 maiN bhee....cheh billion main say muslamaan srif aik hee billion kyun haiN?

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Ali Hashmi…
You write with such ease and simplicity that I can only marvel at your craftsmanship. You are very lucky to have had the advantage of a liberal household and education. As to atheism, if - as Urstruly claims - it is a religion then it is surely an easy, undemanding one. I’m spared attendance at temple or mosque, untroubled by either catechism or ritual and, thank god, I’m not subservient to either prescriptions or to proscriptions. (You see, Urstruly, I even give you a point on which to impale yourself.) How wonderful indeed if religion causes people to be more tolerant, more understanding, more forgiving of their neighbors. Yours truly doesn’t seem to work that way, does it Urstruly?
mirmir

Urstruly (#24),

You may not realize this, but your description of Mirza Sahib actually applies to all prophets of Allah. That is, they were considered honest, righteous men by everyone … before they claimed prophethoood. And once they claimed to be prophets, they and those who accepted them were violently persecuted by the old guards.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) too was considered an honest, pious man by all. But this changed when he claimed to be a prophet ... and was then considered a misled madman, a lunatic, and an opportunist by the corrupt elements of the society. Quran attests to this. And today, same identical terms are used against Mirza Sahib! Sheer coincidence? I don`t think so ... and tragic deaths of your kings ... Faysal, Bhutto, and Zia ... attest to this truth.

Everything Mirza Sahib taught is rooted in Quran. Your failure to accept Quran is your main problem. And this is precisely the reason why Allah raises prophets … to warn and to remind people as they go astray.

And your Quran-based self-righteous morality is useless … nay, dangerous … if it requires killing those who leave Islam. And this is just one example of hopelessness of your ullema in this day and age.

RE: UrsTruly
``But when Allah took His guidance away from ``

so when Allah willed someone to become a Dehrya; shouldn`t Allah, like ordinary mortals, be taking responsibility of his actions and go and burn in His own Hell whenever if ever that judgement day comes. You know for the extreme charges of straying people off of the path of Guidance through his surrogate Shaitaan? hmm, hmmm? :-)

Pakistani Dehrias are 2 number.........

- Have you read the the Hamd/Naat in Nushkaha-hai-vafa? Its on the last page I think
- Ahmed Nadeem Qasimi has been to Hajj
- Munnoo Bhai has been to Umra

Jab maut nazar aati hai to khuda yaad aata hai.......

I see hamidm, Kacha_Jullab and other resident chowk dehrias visiting Raiwind in their twilight years!

Re: # 30

Arz kiya hey

Jab Gandh lagi Pathnay
Niaz lagi Batnay

#31 kulharee, buddy... how come you get away with murder :)

Re: # 32

Ali Yaar, Faiz Ji said:

Maikhana salaamat hai to hum surkhi-e-mai se
Tazzain-e-Dar o Baame Haram Karte Rahen Gay

Thanks Ali - excellent writing!

Kya ``Aap bhi Shaairi kartay hain``? :)

Ali Hashmi Sahib, can I ask you a personal question? Your Nana is a national heritage of the people of the Indian Sub-Continent (not to take away your own bond with him by any means) therefore I think, as a Pakistani, I am entitled to ask this question. My question is two-fold, (1) How did he Phasa (courted) a white women when it was not that common – it was extremely rare? And (2) “Mujh se Pehli se Mohabbat Meray Mahboob na Maang”…. Did this Nazm reflect his personal struggle with your Nani (if there was any) or did it reflect his switching styles from more like going from Ghalib to Karl Marx (or switching from romance to socialistic humanism). Or was it a little bit of both?

I will greatly appreciate your views on that.

ali_1:
you can take comfort in the fact that i`ll die as a hardcore dehrya. :-) there is indeed no hope for me, my heart and soul is sealed and posted for Hell`s second-most deadly compartment. The single most deadly compartment as you may well know is reserved for selective-followrs, munafiqeens and progressive types. :-)

oh and by the way i have read molana ilyas` famous manifesto for tableeghis from cover to cover all 800+ pages of them. (it is alright nothing special)

see you around, then?. :-)
peace.

ali: ``Pakistani Dehrias are 2 number........``

i agree with that. that is indeed a rule. the whole sinusoidal loop and back to from where they started. 360 degrees. period. a zero degree output on the look back. :-)

Kulharee(aka axe), you seem to be chopping people with your Shairs!....and its highly improper to ask Ali how his nana jaan phunsa his nani. They might have fallen in love. Poets have a very romantic gene in them, u know. And besides in those days a lot of men who went abroad brought back a mem bride.

I specially liked the para concluding with “Choro bhai, theek hai``.Reminded me of something Jordan Zevon said about his Dad.Very heartfelt writing.
To All the ``dehrias`` ( 1 number, 2 number, aadhay, paunay) ,>>Stop messing with urstruly! Show some compassion for Shaitan`s sake!

very nicely written piece. Enjoyed it thoroughly.
I have not read much of his poetry except few pieces here and there available in Gurmukhi. I love his `vey pardesiya, teriaN kithray na paindeyaN dassaN`..sung by NFAK. I did not know it was Faiz`s poem until much later. khair he is much respected in India at least in East Punjab where we are also proud of him for another reason - that he started writing in Punjabi in his later days. We wish he had started earlier and given some more memorable work to Punjabi language. At the same time it is somewhat disappointing too that Iqbal and Faiz both were brought up in Punjab and Punjabi was there first language and Had they contributed to Punjabi even half of what they did in urdu, our literature would have been richer...they could have easily rubbed shoulders with Bulleh Shah and Waris Shah in Punjabi psychie.

Do you know that a Punjabi/English poetess from Canada has transliterated some of Faiz`s poetry to Punjabi last year and published it? though I have not got my hands on the book yet.

Ali has a point...fear of death..end of this life and then what? is so ingrained in our subconsicous minds that people fall for the trick called God when they face death or unknown.
religion has been taking advantage of humans for this very reason since beginning of time...and still does. but what you call a man who strarts worrying about death in his 20`s? fanatic? no, an idiot.

If it was not God and religion invented to deal with this issue, something else equally insane would have been invented by man for same reasons.