Immigrants: Na Idhar ke, Na uddhar ke

I some how missed the punch line of the first para of my post #32.

The punch line is this: Many of the ``momentum immigrants`` who immigrate not for genuine economic / education / social reasons, but just because others in their neighborhood are doing the same, end up having second thoughts about their decisions.

That would not be the case with ``genuine`` immigrants, since they have solid reason for their decision and know that they are far better off in their new country than in the old.

While most of the immigration from countries like Pakistan to Canada etc occurs for genuine economic, educational and social reasons, there is also something called ``momentum immigration`` - that is, people pack their bags and immigrate just because their neighbors or friends are doing the same.

Also, given that Ms. Batool moved to Pakistan after 4 years, I am assuming that by then she had already obtained her Canadian citizenship. This perhaps also played a role in her decision to move to Pakistan, given that now she has an option of coming back to Canada if she ever regrets her decision.

Re: # 30
...samb,doublec,jahanzeb,temporal,batlee,chandni,rahul,banjara,wanderer,romair,english poet whose name i forget,... too many desis in toronto...anyone for new foundland...?

doublec:

Land is like mother to most of the poeple. They come in all types. If you have a bad mother, you do not have the option to get you a new one. For normal poeple, nostalgia is a way to show that association, even if you aren`t able to go back.

aarzi bhai, I mean brother temporal ,

where in toronto do you live and what do you do for a living?

Havent you all ever heard of - too much familiarity breeds contempt
I rests my case.

Re: # 27

Happiness is a state of mind. If you believe what you need you have, you`re happy.

Re: # 21

Even Shakespeare wasnt completely happy....and dont even ask what Christopher Marlowe`s mood was....the human condition is based on temporalites of belonging and unbelonging....

Re: # 19

ali -

Agree. You`re forgetting ``shandy,`` ``binoo,`` and ``farzoo.`` I`m surprised it`s ``bat`` and not ``battoo`` :))

Barf.

i grew up in kenya and new york and will always be nostalgic about these places wherever i may go.... even if they may not be the most ideal places... it`s only natural for a person to be emotional about the places where they have the most memories.

karachi is that place for you, and i think it`s great you went back, and who knows, you may end up back in toronto or elsewhere in the future... and i`m sure you`ll make a place for yourself wherever you go

good luck

doublec:

having met both you and bat i know where you guys come from...

baat wohi dil ki hay...you are happy and content here today ... good for you ... who knows ... she may be back here later?

behram:

thnks

and yes, even more humbly....


t

Post 4 SAMB,

I totally agree with you. I am one of those that totally love this city and the country. I can never think of ever going back even though i have the opportunity to do so.
I know that hard work will get me places in TO however the same cannot be said for Karachi.

I too don`t have any immediate family here and whenever i miss them i just call them....

Bat, sorry but i am finding it extremely hard to accept your decision.... even though i know that it is not my business to say so.

I do know that many desi have problems when they come to Canada and it takes time to adjust....... I so wish that i had the resources to create an organization that could help these individuals ease into the city, make people realize that no matter what position you had back home.... you still have to prove yourself here.

To be honest i have seen individuals that knew their trade and were hard working and within a few years have been successful.....

It is easy to be successful here than in Karachi.... at least the satisfaction one has here is that they succeeded because of their own will and not with the help of others.....

Bat, sorry to sound mean but it really disappoints me when someone moves back home..... i have in the past helped a few individuals, tried to make their lives easy...... but stories like yours deflate my sail.......

Re: # 2

Dear T:

You are absolutely correct. It is mostly about one`s inner self.

Most humbly and respectfully submitted,

Behram B. Atashband

Re: # 20

I am, for both who I am and where I am.

Is anyone truly and unquestionably happy where they are?

#2 by temporal
``bat:
here is a cyber hug from TO ``

Oh man! can chowk staff stop the vomit inducing antics of this peer-e-fartoot... saminooo, scoutooo, bat, cyber hug...huh? abay go hug bhai urstruly before he has done his miswaak or unkill hamidm after he has glugged his bottle of merlot!

Re: # 16
dahmed te Tahmed.

Tahmed Sir Jee,
Cloning kar rahe ho kya?