Language of Power: How it is getting more exclusive
Rizwana Khan October 1, 2005
#102 Posted by khurram on October 4, 2005 7:25:53 am
Mantolives,
Do you seriously believe that #39 cannot be rendered in a simpler and clearer way in Urdu as well?
Do you seriously believe that #39 cannot be rendered in a simpler and clearer way in Urdu as well?
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#100 Posted by MantoLives on October 4, 2005 7:03:44 am
Kulharee...
Tell us what new lie are you going to tell us now- oh great minority tabla player...
So is this how you deal with humiliation... by abusing others? Listen buddy its not my fault that you put up a blatant lie and were caught like fat murghi... but I called your lie... so now live with it and take it like a man or a woman... refrain from being a transvestite.
Tell us what new lie are you going to tell us now- oh great minority tabla player...
So is this how you deal with humiliation... by abusing others? Listen buddy its not my fault that you put up a blatant lie and were caught like fat murghi... but I called your lie... so now live with it and take it like a man or a woman... refrain from being a transvestite.
#101 Posted by Kulharee on October 4, 2005 7:17:34 am
Re: # 100
Manto, being humiliated by you is an honor because you speak thru your ass my friend. Now go back to your crib little baby and suck your little finger.
The reason I know that the minority cards were a different shade of yellow (in addition to listing the religious affiliation – Islam or `Non-Muslim` (just 2 choices in your shytland as if nothing else matters) is because I carry one. All pre-92 cards were Piss color and later it chanted to Shyt color to reflect the religious affiliation of the majority of Pakistanis. Do Pakistanis a favor and don’t become a lawyer, you will bore the shyt out of judges and everyone else. Same rant over and over again. Where did you say you went to school?
Manto, being humiliated by you is an honor because you speak thru your ass my friend. Now go back to your crib little baby and suck your little finger.
The reason I know that the minority cards were a different shade of yellow (in addition to listing the religious affiliation – Islam or `Non-Muslim` (just 2 choices in your shytland as if nothing else matters) is because I carry one. All pre-92 cards were Piss color and later it chanted to Shyt color to reflect the religious affiliation of the majority of Pakistanis. Do Pakistanis a favor and don’t become a lawyer, you will bore the shyt out of judges and everyone else. Same rant over and over again. Where did you say you went to school?
#99 Posted by Kulharee on October 4, 2005 6:24:23 am
Romair, give some translation to Manto before he jumps off his crib. Give him anything, he doesn’t know shyt. He is in the same league as you are.
#98 Posted by scout on October 4, 2005 5:23:22 am
if i were a BIG international business, who would i hire out of the following two?
a great looking, tall Punjabi from Rawalpindi with little knowledge of English
or
a short and fat Tamil with an excellent grasp of English
if i were a man, i`d hire the Tamil, if i were a woman, i`d hire the good looking Punjabi and enroll him in ESL classes.
so the moral of the story is, Tamils are smart people but don`t judge Punjabis by their cover
a great looking, tall Punjabi from Rawalpindi with little knowledge of English
or
a short and fat Tamil with an excellent grasp of English
if i were a man, i`d hire the Tamil, if i were a woman, i`d hire the good looking Punjabi and enroll him in ESL classes.
so the moral of the story is, Tamils are smart people but don`t judge Punjabis by their cover
#97 Posted by Saminasha on October 4, 2005 4:44:15 am
What this all boils down to is literacy and agency. Yes, the more languages one knows, the better. But the particular language of agency in this case is English-and so for me, this issue becomes less the dynamic of ``MacDonaldisation``, and more an issue of how does the majority of the working force, male and female, continue to acquire skills that will allow them opportunities to work. With each technological breakthrough, new literacies have to be learned in order to be used. Just out of curiosity, did the advent of computer code come attached to notions of ``Westernization``?
This article makes some good points, but the implicit bias here obscures these ideas.
This article makes some good points, but the implicit bias here obscures these ideas.
#96 Posted by MantoLives on October 3, 2005 11:52:59 pm
Romair, Romair, Romair
No Translation for 39 I see
Thanks for admitting that Urdu is not suitable in its current form for the working of a nation state- since an Urdudan like you was not able to translate a simple paragraph- an easier version of the Urdu used for court documents... which is why most people use English.
No Translation for 39 I see
Thanks for admitting that Urdu is not suitable in its current form for the working of a nation state- since an Urdudan like you was not able to translate a simple paragraph- an easier version of the Urdu used for court documents... which is why most people use English.
#95 Posted by ana on October 3, 2005 9:48:51 pm
did i not say that someone would say we were putting words in his mouth.
``hum tau kuch keh bhi nahiN saktay.`` :))
``hum tau kuch keh bhi nahiN saktay.`` :))
#93 Posted by masanamuthu on October 3, 2005 9:09:27 pm
I was talking to a pakistani colleague, asked her where was she from. She said ``from Karachi``. And then when I asked if she is a sindhi to impress her with my knowledge about Pakistan, she immediately retorted saying ``no, no we speak urdu`` as if I said something offensive. After a few minutes I realised the contempt she had for the native language in this case (Sindhi).
Now, I can`t generalise about Pakistanis by this one example. But I`ve seen enough people (who speak Hindi) who regard the native languages with contempt either in Bangalore (Kannada) or in Chennai (Tamil). Maybe it is a trait associated with thinking that their language is the ``ruling`` or ``national`` language and all other languages are ``inferior``. The same holds for people who are fluent in English and think as if they were born, brought up and raised in London.
The whole concept of associating a language as ``national`` and giving it a special privilege sounds silly for such a diverse country like India (and to a certain extent Pakistan). What we need is a ``link`` language and English serves fine.. In India we have powerful groups in the south that are against imposing Hindi. Otherwise we would have ended up like Pakistan now lamenting the unnecessary and unwanted dominance of a particular language. I want to know some feedback from native Sindhis / Balochis if anyone frequents this forum.. Language issues can get as emotional as religious issues. Religion split India in 1947 and Language split Pakistan in 1971. Let`s hope that`s the final split..
Now, I can`t generalise about Pakistanis by this one example. But I`ve seen enough people (who speak Hindi) who regard the native languages with contempt either in Bangalore (Kannada) or in Chennai (Tamil). Maybe it is a trait associated with thinking that their language is the ``ruling`` or ``national`` language and all other languages are ``inferior``. The same holds for people who are fluent in English and think as if they were born, brought up and raised in London.
The whole concept of associating a language as ``national`` and giving it a special privilege sounds silly for such a diverse country like India (and to a certain extent Pakistan). What we need is a ``link`` language and English serves fine.. In India we have powerful groups in the south that are against imposing Hindi. Otherwise we would have ended up like Pakistan now lamenting the unnecessary and unwanted dominance of a particular language. I want to know some feedback from native Sindhis / Balochis if anyone frequents this forum.. Language issues can get as emotional as religious issues. Religion split India in 1947 and Language split Pakistan in 1971. Let`s hope that`s the final split..
#92 Posted by Romair on October 3, 2005 7:53:06 pm
Behram #90: ``Respectfully submitted``
Could I kindly request you to end your replies, to me, with, ``Disrespectfully Sumbitted.``
``Your response to Fuzair (#83) is worth reviewing, because it is now somewhat different than what you proposed earlier in your other posts.``
It is exactly the same as what I had proposed earlier. Perhaps you only now figured it out. Initially, you tended to jump from one conclusion to another, i.e. English should not be allowed to grow in Pakistan, to English/non-English conspiracy, etc.
``So let us agree that it is English``
Why should we agree it is English? Why not agree it is French? Or Portugese? We should only agree it is English, if access can be provided to everyone in this language. And if
There are 190 or so countries in the world. Can you name 10 (or even 5), where a language of another country, with completely different text, script and wordage than anything in the local dialects, has successfully been adapted as the lingua franca of the country. More importantly, how much progress have those countries made.........It is extremely difficult to get such a foreign language into the grassroots of a society..........
If you cannot, then I rest my case......If you can, then we can debate this furthur.........
Could I kindly request you to end your replies, to me, with, ``Disrespectfully Sumbitted.``
``Your response to Fuzair (#83) is worth reviewing, because it is now somewhat different than what you proposed earlier in your other posts.``
It is exactly the same as what I had proposed earlier. Perhaps you only now figured it out. Initially, you tended to jump from one conclusion to another, i.e. English should not be allowed to grow in Pakistan, to English/non-English conspiracy, etc.
``So let us agree that it is English``
Why should we agree it is English? Why not agree it is French? Or Portugese? We should only agree it is English, if access can be provided to everyone in this language. And if
There are 190 or so countries in the world. Can you name 10 (or even 5), where a language of another country, with completely different text, script and wordage than anything in the local dialects, has successfully been adapted as the lingua franca of the country. More importantly, how much progress have those countries made.........It is extremely difficult to get such a foreign language into the grassroots of a society..........
If you cannot, then I rest my case......If you can, then we can debate this furthur.........
#94 Posted by Behram1 on October 3, 2005 9:40:08 pm
Re: # 91 and #92
Dear Romair,
Why have such an unusual request
[Could I kindly request you to end your replies, to me, with, ``Disrespectfully Sumbitted.`` ] Why? Does it go with your other traits, when you suggested that using vulgarities is good in a language? No Romair, your double speak is exactly what you do, and you have not realized it as yet.
[Why should we agree it is English? Why not agree it is French? Or Portugese?] Because, that is what we were arguing about...English or Urdu.
Romair, you ask [There are 190 or so countries in the world. Can you name 10 (or even 5), where a language of another country, with completely different text, script and wordage than anything in the local dialects, has successfully been adapted as the lingua franca of the country.]
Great, now we are on to geography...hopefully you will not forget the main issue is whether English is good or bad for Pakistan.
Oh, yes, and you also want to know...[More importantly, how much progress have those countries made]. What you consider foreign[It is extremely difficult to get such a foreign language into the grassroots of a society], that is English, is actually not so foreign that you make it out to be. Actually, the Britishers did quite an excellent job than the subsequent rulers of divided India. Thank you.
Romair, you have some issue with your double speak. It is your thoughts that you potray in these discussion that is annoying. So far you have not been able to discuss any issue logically. You try to circumvent the main topic of discussion...whether English is better than Urdu for the future of Pakistan...
And that is what double speak means
[Please learn to discuss the point and not the person. I am not sure what, ``double-speak`` means. Is it equivalent to making disrespectful remarks about a person, and then ending the post with, ``Respectfully Submitted?`` If you are going to be disrespectful towards me, then could I request you to end your posts with, ``Disrespectfully Submitted.`` So I know where you stand.......]
No it is not the same. I still will continue to submit to you respectfully, because I think you are worthy of my respect.
[Kindly highlight where I said Urdu is better than English?] Your post #12 suggests that Urdu is superior to English, does it not? [There is nothing in English that can match Urdu`s poetry. And their is nothing in English that can match Punjabi`s humor and vulgarities. The English language, much like English food, being too bland for my taste.]
Romair, that is exactly what people who double speak, say [You seem to associate words with me, unnecessarily, and then start debating those, as if they are mine.]
[All I said was that I think Urdu is more flexible thereby, making it easier to write poetry. And due to this I found English too bland for my taste. While I found them equally solid in prose. That`s it. ]
Here you go, the actual words are shown for you to clarify, without the mumbo jumbo.
[But suppose someone does consider Urdu better than English. Is that a crime? Should he be shot? Should everyone consider Urdu inferior to English.......] No Romair, it is not a crime, and no you should not be shot. But, to make you credible, I expect you to be crisp and clear and emphatic. Please do not circle the wagon, as usual.
[There is a world outside Karachi. Even in Karachi, if an Arts Council was prospering in the 70s, what exactly does that have to do with access to English, in all of Pakistan, during the present day?] This was in response to the question of arts, and craft and drama, etc. and not to the English language per se.
[I accept the fact that any language that evens the playing field in Pakistan should be the primary language. Not any language that skews the playing field........If English can be made accessible, to everyone, only then, it should be the primary langauge......] How can you blame the language for skewing anything. It is the people, who use the language to skew the issue.
[``The only way, in my opinion, is to get rid of this notion that somehow there is a conspiracy of the English wallas vs the non-English wallas.``
Where in the world did you get the idea that there is a conspiracy? Who has this notion? Certainly not me. Kindly discuss this with someone who has this notion......]
If you did not have this thought then what is this fuss.
[I stand by the fact that anything that is only accessible to a tiny minority, should never ever be made the standard for upward mobility in a society.] A tiny minority may be home owners, so are you suggesting that should not be a standard for everyone`s upward mobility? What rubbish?
[If that cannot be done, then do not standardize on it..........] Pakistani society can provide for English for everyone, when it decides to provide education for everyone. And it makes absolutely no sense to think that implementing Urdu would be better than implementing English.
But the source of consternation between your thoughts is that somehow you think Urdu is better than English, and that is what I disagree.
[Pakistan will never prosper if the playing field isn`t even for everyone.........] Agreed, and English will bring the playing field a little closer together and to the rest of the enlightened world.
Finally, as always, to your chagrin, maybe
Respectfully submitted,
Behram B. Atashband.
P.S. What does Romair mean?
#91 Posted by Romair on October 3, 2005 7:36:54 pm
Behram #89: ``How can you suggest that [I am not pushing any language.], when all along on this site you claimed that Urdu is better than English. Is that one of your double speak styles?``
Please learn to discuss the point and not the person. I am not sure what, ``double-speak`` means. Is it equivalent to making disrespectful remarks about a person, and then ending the post with, ``Respectfully Submitted?`` If you are going to be disrespectful towards me, then could I request you to end your posts with, ``Disrespectfully Submitted.`` So I know where you stand.......
Kindly highlight where I said Urdu is better than English? You seem to associate words with me, unnecessarily, and then start debating those, as if they are mine. All I said was that I think Urdu is more flexible thereby, making it easier to write poetry. And due to this I found English too bland for my taste. While I found them equally solid in prose. That`s it.
But suppose someone does consider Urdu better than English. Is that a crime? Should he be shot? Should everyone consider Urdu inferior to English.......
``But right up until the middle of seventies, Pakistan Arts Council, smack in the middle of Karachi was flourishing.``
There is a world outside Karachi. Even in Karachi, if an Arts Council was prospering in the 70s, what exactly does that have to do with access to English, in all of Pakistan, during the present day?
``Why don`t you accept the fact that English should be the primary language of Pakistan.``
I accept the fact that any language that evens the playing field in Pakistan should be the primary language. Not any language that skews the playing field........If English can be made accessible, to everyone, only then, it should be the primary langauge......
``The only way, in my opinion, is to get rid of this notion that somehow there is a conspiracy of the English wallas vs the non-English wallas.``
Where in the world did you get the idea that there is a conspiracy? Who has this notion? Certainly not me. Kindly discuss this with someone who has this notion......
I stand by the fact that anything that is only accessible to a tiny minority, should never ever be made the standard for upward mobility in a society. That will put everyone else out of the loop..........And that has already created a social divide. Either give everyone in Paksitan (everyone means people outside urban areas, also) access to the language. If that cannot be done, then do not standardize on it..........
Pakistan will never prosper if the playing field isn`t even for everyone.........
Please learn to discuss the point and not the person. I am not sure what, ``double-speak`` means. Is it equivalent to making disrespectful remarks about a person, and then ending the post with, ``Respectfully Submitted?`` If you are going to be disrespectful towards me, then could I request you to end your posts with, ``Disrespectfully Submitted.`` So I know where you stand.......
Kindly highlight where I said Urdu is better than English? You seem to associate words with me, unnecessarily, and then start debating those, as if they are mine. All I said was that I think Urdu is more flexible thereby, making it easier to write poetry. And due to this I found English too bland for my taste. While I found them equally solid in prose. That`s it.
But suppose someone does consider Urdu better than English. Is that a crime? Should he be shot? Should everyone consider Urdu inferior to English.......
``But right up until the middle of seventies, Pakistan Arts Council, smack in the middle of Karachi was flourishing.``
There is a world outside Karachi. Even in Karachi, if an Arts Council was prospering in the 70s, what exactly does that have to do with access to English, in all of Pakistan, during the present day?
``Why don`t you accept the fact that English should be the primary language of Pakistan.``
I accept the fact that any language that evens the playing field in Pakistan should be the primary language. Not any language that skews the playing field........If English can be made accessible, to everyone, only then, it should be the primary langauge......
``The only way, in my opinion, is to get rid of this notion that somehow there is a conspiracy of the English wallas vs the non-English wallas.``
Where in the world did you get the idea that there is a conspiracy? Who has this notion? Certainly not me. Kindly discuss this with someone who has this notion......
I stand by the fact that anything that is only accessible to a tiny minority, should never ever be made the standard for upward mobility in a society. That will put everyone else out of the loop..........And that has already created a social divide. Either give everyone in Paksitan (everyone means people outside urban areas, also) access to the language. If that cannot be done, then do not standardize on it..........
Pakistan will never prosper if the playing field isn`t even for everyone.........
#88 Posted by jang on October 3, 2005 3:10:19 pm
my goodness..the most respecful submitter has a post containing 7 odd fonts, one at 36 pica!
may i respecfully submit that hindi movies have helped spread urdu to remote places in pakistan and nwfp and afganistan the most.
may i respecfully submit that hindi movies have helped spread urdu to remote places in pakistan and nwfp and afganistan the most.
#87 Posted by Raw_Dust on October 3, 2005 2:25:04 pm
fuzair:
Government of Pakistan commited the monstrosity of making a Single language as a national language of the country when ironically the heartlands of the chosen language werent even being part of the country. Urdu could have at best been, only one of the officially recognized language along with all the languages spoken in pakistani region.
If there were early snooty muhajirs pushing Urdu and imposing it then from Gulam Mohammad onwards, the relatively non-muhajir establishment used it to further their own agendas. I dont think a language could become a beast on its own, it was the men-incharge of all backgrounds, urdu and non-urdu, who furthered their hideous agenda by using Urdu as a tool.
Government of Pakistan commited the monstrosity of making a Single language as a national language of the country when ironically the heartlands of the chosen language werent even being part of the country. Urdu could have at best been, only one of the officially recognized language along with all the languages spoken in pakistani region.
If there were early snooty muhajirs pushing Urdu and imposing it then from Gulam Mohammad onwards, the relatively non-muhajir establishment used it to further their own agendas. I dont think a language could become a beast on its own, it was the men-incharge of all backgrounds, urdu and non-urdu, who furthered their hideous agenda by using Urdu as a tool.
#86 Posted by Romair on October 3, 2005 1:43:29 pm
behram1 #84: ``are you agreeing then that you also want English to grow in Pakistan?``
Yes. I never stated what you attributed to me. You saw that on your own and then, for some strange reason, attached my name to it. Forget about English, I want even Java and C++ to grow in Pakistan. I am not pushing any language. All I am saying is that whatever language is the language of choice, should be equally accessible in an equitable manner, to everyone. That is all.........
``On the contrary, I always thought that people were clamoring to go thru an English medium school just because they wanted their children to learn English. In our BVS Parsi High School, we had music, and poetry, and drama, and arts, etc.``
How many people in Pakistan have access to English medium schools? Much less to music and drama etc. A very small %. People, of any social status, will send their kids to English medium schools, if given the choice. I agree with that. But then they should be given the choice. To have only a tiny number of schools with drama and arts in English, creates a social divide..........
Those with access to such facilities, move on ahead. While the rest of the society is left behind...........
``People, if given a chance, would go to learn English in droves``
And what does one do if they are not given the chance? Either give them a chance, or make some adjustments, where they are not at a disadvantage.............
The rest of your comments are more emotional, than anything else. And I try to avoid such discussions. I would like to ask you, how much exposure you have to Pakistan, outside of Karachi? Have you gone into rural parts of Punjab, NWFP, Sindh and Baluchistan? Have you seen the schools there, and the availibility of the English language, in those areas...........
Yes. I never stated what you attributed to me. You saw that on your own and then, for some strange reason, attached my name to it. Forget about English, I want even Java and C++ to grow in Pakistan. I am not pushing any language. All I am saying is that whatever language is the language of choice, should be equally accessible in an equitable manner, to everyone. That is all.........
``On the contrary, I always thought that people were clamoring to go thru an English medium school just because they wanted their children to learn English. In our BVS Parsi High School, we had music, and poetry, and drama, and arts, etc.``
How many people in Pakistan have access to English medium schools? Much less to music and drama etc. A very small %. People, of any social status, will send their kids to English medium schools, if given the choice. I agree with that. But then they should be given the choice. To have only a tiny number of schools with drama and arts in English, creates a social divide..........
Those with access to such facilities, move on ahead. While the rest of the society is left behind...........
``People, if given a chance, would go to learn English in droves``
And what does one do if they are not given the chance? Either give them a chance, or make some adjustments, where they are not at a disadvantage.............
The rest of your comments are more emotional, than anything else. And I try to avoid such discussions. I would like to ask you, how much exposure you have to Pakistan, outside of Karachi? Have you gone into rural parts of Punjab, NWFP, Sindh and Baluchistan? Have you seen the schools there, and the availibility of the English language, in those areas...........
#89 Posted by Behram1 on October 3, 2005 5:57:41 pm
Re: # 86
Dear Romair,
Good. It appears that the only thing that is left is to decide ``who gives whom a chance.``
Well, it is a known fact that, upon Quaid-e-Azam`s request Parsis of Karachi opened its` schools` doors for the immigrants. And many did get educated in those schools. Actually, there were quite a few good English schools available. One of which was St. Patrick`s High School that the President himself went to. If the local government at the time did not stress English (for whatever reason) schools then whose fault is it? English`s?
How can you suggest that [I am not pushing any language.], when all along on this site you claimed that Urdu is better than English. Is that one of your double speak styles?
I have no idea about when you ask [How many people in Pakistan have access to English medium schools? Much less to music and drama etc. A very small %.] But right up until the middle of seventies, Pakistan Arts Council, smack in the middle of Karachi was flourishing.
You have agreed to most of my thoughts. Why don`t you accept the fact that English should be the primary language of Pakistan.
We must first bring honesty in our thoughts, and then we can get to the strategy of giving people the choice...[...the People, of any social status, will send their kids to English medium schools, if given the choice. I agree with that. But then they should be given the choice. To have only a tiny number of schools with drama and arts in English, creates a social divide..........]
Romair, like you, I am not a social scientist...[And what does one do if they are not given the chance? Either give them a chance, or make some adjustments, where they are not at a disadvantage.............] ....The only way, in my opinion, is to get rid of this notion that somehow there is a conspiracy of the English wallas vs the non-English wallas.
You ask me [I would like to ask you, how much exposure you have to Pakistan, outside of Karachi?] As for my going to schools outside Karachi, you are correct, I have not gone to any school. How many have you? However, I have visited and seen most of Pakistan in my teens. Have you ever been to Mir Jawah / Nowkundi border? I had coffee with my Baloch friend in his home village. And all of this as a poor student.
My Baloch friend, Baz Mohammad had to ride bike from God knows where to get to a school, and you ask me whether this is was an English medium or not?
Romair, no one is arguing with you that we need education in Pakistan. The only argument it seems is that you want Pakistan to have Urdu as its primary language. And I disagree.
To repeat, one more time, English is the language of world economy and I would give Pakistanis` (all of them) English as the first choice in education.
Respectfully submitted,
Behram B. Atashband
Dear Romair,
Good. It appears that the only thing that is left is to decide ``who gives whom a chance.``
Well, it is a known fact that, upon Quaid-e-Azam`s request Parsis of Karachi opened its` schools` doors for the immigrants. And many did get educated in those schools. Actually, there were quite a few good English schools available. One of which was St. Patrick`s High School that the President himself went to. If the local government at the time did not stress English (for whatever reason) schools then whose fault is it? English`s?
How can you suggest that [I am not pushing any language.], when all along on this site you claimed that Urdu is better than English. Is that one of your double speak styles?
I have no idea about when you ask [How many people in Pakistan have access to English medium schools? Much less to music and drama etc. A very small %.] But right up until the middle of seventies, Pakistan Arts Council, smack in the middle of Karachi was flourishing.
You have agreed to most of my thoughts. Why don`t you accept the fact that English should be the primary language of Pakistan.
We must first bring honesty in our thoughts, and then we can get to the strategy of giving people the choice...[...the People, of any social status, will send their kids to English medium schools, if given the choice. I agree with that. But then they should be given the choice. To have only a tiny number of schools with drama and arts in English, creates a social divide..........]
Romair, like you, I am not a social scientist...[And what does one do if they are not given the chance? Either give them a chance, or make some adjustments, where they are not at a disadvantage.............] ....The only way, in my opinion, is to get rid of this notion that somehow there is a conspiracy of the English wallas vs the non-English wallas.
You ask me [I would like to ask you, how much exposure you have to Pakistan, outside of Karachi?] As for my going to schools outside Karachi, you are correct, I have not gone to any school. How many have you? However, I have visited and seen most of Pakistan in my teens. Have you ever been to Mir Jawah / Nowkundi border? I had coffee with my Baloch friend in his home village. And all of this as a poor student.
My Baloch friend, Baz Mohammad had to ride bike from God knows where to get to a school, and you ask me whether this is was an English medium or not?
Romair, no one is arguing with you that we need education in Pakistan. The only argument it seems is that you want Pakistan to have Urdu as its primary language. And I disagree.
To repeat, one more time, English is the language of world economy and I would give Pakistanis` (all of them) English as the first choice in education.
Respectfully submitted,
Behram B. Atashband
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