The Naked Fakir

On why we are not Kaffirs... says Gandhiji...


The whole affair is as much a disgrace to the Indian community as it is to the British Empire. The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets

Indian Opinion, 29-2-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 105

CWOMG: Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi

Its okay to talk Yasser. I know its difficult. But talking is good. Dont let them keep you down. Tell us what they did to you. We are your friends Yasser. You can tell us. Its okay.

Gandhi`s disdain for black people continues:

It is one thing to register Natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing and most insulting to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered

What is a Coolie, Indian Opinion 2151904, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 193

CWOMG: Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi

More on Gandhi`s theory of ``separate and unequal``

Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. ...Of course, under my suggestion, The Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly

Indian Opinion, 10-4-04, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 130-131

Again for the blind man Beej: CWOMG: Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi

Manto , we can talk about Gandhi/Jinnah later. Now pray tell us in detail about the bullying meted out to you by your own young students in the high school that you taught. How serious was it ? Did it involve any insertion of long blunt objects into your system ?

Ah... and they said Plessey Vs Ferguson was bad...

Well here is Gandhi with his theory of ``Separate and Unequal``

...The petition dwells upon ``the co-mingling of the Coloured and white races``. May we inform the members of the conference that, so far as the British Indians are concerned, such a thing is practically unknown? If there is one thing, which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type. Why bring such a question into the controversy at all?

The Transvaal Chambers and British Indians, Indian Opinion 24-12-03, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 89

To be read in conjunction with posts 72-79 and 91

Returning to Gandhi ...

What the British Indians pray for is very little. They ask for no political power. They admit the British race should be the dominant race in South Africa. All they ask for is freedom for those that are now settled and those that may be allowed to come in future to trade, to move about, and to hold landed property without any hindrance save the ordinary legal requirements

Petition to Natal Legislature, CWOMG, vol3, pg 330

THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT GANDHI not JINNAH.

Sadna has now started another lie ... as usual if one goes to the source of her lie about Jinnah ... one will find that Jinnah had himself initiated the idea of a ``Pakistan League`` which he had abandoned choosing to resign instead as the President of Muslim League.
She claims the opposite ofcourse... when had she read the Jinnah papers she would see that Jinnah was pretty much arguing that Muslim League had lost its purpose. Ironic... but the same Jinnah is saying that the idea of having a national organisation is not irrevocable.

Ironic that this liar is claiming that he stopped non-muslims from joining the ``Muslim`` League because he suspected them when

a) Jogindranath Mandal was appointed by Jinnah on a Muslim League seat in the interim Government

b) Jogindranath Mandal was the FIRST LAW MINISTER of Pakistan in the Muslim League government by Jinnah...

Ofcourse... it was expected that Sadna would lose all balance ... because like Gandhi, she too is without dignity. Sadna as usual has farted ladies and gentlemen... and she shall pay for stinking up the place.

First of all , Manto , you must tell us what the school children did to you. That might explain a lot.

Gandhi`s `racist` stances are despicable in any context and I condemn them, without reservation or qualification.

Did Gandhi ask for a separate nation because Indians couldn`t live with blacks and were totally separate civilizations? I am not aware that he did. Jinnah did, however.

So I condemn Jinnah for his sustained campaign from 1938-1947 about how either Hindus must be denied a majority over Muslims or a separate state should be granted to Muslims because Hindus were a people who would destroy Muslims and Islam in India.

It was not a territorial nationalism that he was advocating - he insisted to Gandhi in Jinnah-Gandhi talks in 1944 that the (30%) nonMuslims in regions likely to go to Pakistan must have no say in whether Pakistan must come into being or not.

Till independence, he also refused to concede ever that any other party except his Muslim League could represent Muslims of India - even the 30%? odd Muslims who were to be inevitably be left behind in divided India were to have no common representation with fellow Indians in the Indian constitution-making group A according to his nonnegotiable stance on this issue.

After independence he refused to allow Pakistani nonMuslims to join the Muslim League because he apprehended conspiracies and threats via nonMuslims to the very existence of Pakistan.

I condemn those who are highly selective in calling Gandhi racist for his stances and Jinnah not racist, for his stances.

To be read in conjunction with posts 72-78

On Minority White rule in South Africa:

We, therefore, have no hesitation in agreeing with the view that in the long run assisted Asiatic immigration into the Transvaal would be disastrous to the white settlement. People will gradually accommodate themselves to relying upon Asiatic labour, and any White immigration of the special class required in the Transvaal on a large scale will be practically impossible. It would be equally unfair to the Natives of the soil. It is all very well to say that they would not work, and that, if the Asiatics were introduced, that would be a stimulus to work; but human nature is the same everywhere, and once Asiatic labour is resorted to, there would not be a sustained effort to induce the Natives to work under what would otherwise be, after all, gentle compulsion. There would be then less talk about taxing the Natives and so forth. Natives themselves, used as they are to a very simple mode of life, will always be able to command enough wages to meet their wants; and the result will be putting back their progress for an indefinite length of time. We have used the words `gentle compulsion` in the best sense of the term; we mean compulsion of the same kind that a parent exercises over children


For Beej who is apparently BLIND: Indian Opinion, 9-7-1903, CWOMG Vol. 3, pg 359-360

CWOMG: COLLECTED WORKS OF MAHATMA GANDHI.

Ladies and gentlemen,

Before I continue (and continue I shall) I must put to rest this Sadna woman and her claims. One thing that must be noted about her style... she operates on omissions... more often than not the source she points to proves to misquoted or wrong. Her dishonesty was on full display in the CMP discussion a few months back. She started off by claiming that CMP provided Muslims `` 50-50 parity`` ... a claim that she had to eat soon thereafter... after which she came up with a hairbrained idea that federations with 3 subjects can`t be federations... when shown that there was no such legal definition... she
smoved away and claimed that Foreign Affairs were a communal issue...

So it is not a surprise that she thinks everyone acts like her.




Beej,

What a cop out...

I have given you the page numbers ... go read for yourselves. A casteist bigot and a racist bigot arguing for white supremacy and Indo-Germanic stalk can have no other context....

My posts addressed to you are there... each of them has a citation. Please feel free to check them... I have been told that Gandhi`s works are online now... on some website... surely it can`t be that hard given that you are quite an expert at providing absolute nonsense... why don`t you go and check.


Now... I shall start from where I left off..

Sincerely

YLH

Jang....I dont know how it was when you were a kid in India , but through out my school years, all kids used to hate Gandhi. Not because of the reasons given by that idiot Manto (`Gandhi=Racist`) , but because of the intense dislike for Gandhi`s non-violence and `turn the other cheek to the enemy when slapped` philosophy. On the other hand , Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose was everybody`s favorite historic figure.

So funnily enough , Gandhi is held with contempt today in the country he brought freedom to -India , and idolised and admired by the people in the ex-Imperialist West. So Gandhi is today much more of a global western icon than an Indian political leader.

what is most interesting is how pakistanis are missing out on legacies and their markting values. some prophets and saints have good marketing value, and some have bad. e.g. buddha and gandhi have very +ve value. however, pakistan has been associated with talibanic bombing of buddha statues. manto is doing something similar. he is completely missing out on an apportunity for his nation.

over next 12 months i expect an article from Thomas Friedman about his stay in Lahore and him lamenting how pakistanis hate their freedom fighter, mahatma gandhi and bhagat singh, but love the movie Gadar. manto will get a special mention in a box, exemplifying this hatred. then there will be a 60-minutes special where haroon will be quoted describing gandhis racism to an amused ed bradley.

so, get some bania style and do the right thing.. latch on the +ve. gandhi, buddha good. gandhar civilization good. dictators bad. taliban bad. ...you get the idea.

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Thank you!

Sincerely,
Beej.

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Re: #74 Man-to-li(v)es

Are you talking to ME?
Are you TALKING to me?
Are YOU talking to me?

Hindvi......if Gandhi was a `social conservative` , how does that explain his getting up at 4 am in the morning , picking up the broom and helping out the so-called untouchable janitors in cleaning up the community toilets ? Infact , one of the strictest rules in Gandhi`s ashram was that everybody cleaned their own toilets - regardless of their caste or birth. Inter-caste marriages were also encouraged.

I am no admirer of Gandhi and hate him for fasting to blackmail the newly formed Indian nation to give away 1/3rd of its treasury to Pakistan , at a time when India and Pakistan were fighting a war over Kashmir. I think Gandhi put his beliefs , and his ideals ,noble as they were , before national interest .

But Gandhi was no racist. Gandhi was in many ways a naive fool , but a good kindly saintly man. A true follower of Jesus , Gandhi`s views are relevant in a perfect world , a world without vices , without evil. Show the other cheek when slapped ain`t really an attractive concept anymore. Just doesn`t work.

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That idiot Yasser Hamdani is repeating as usual his `Gandhi=Racist` rants. The idea is to build up on his pet Jinnah by crapping on Gandhi. Silly really. Nobody apart from the subcontinent types have heard of a guy called `Jinnah` ....while every 10 year old child from Barcelona to San Francisco has heard of a modern day saint called Gandhi.

As another equally famous man Albert Einstein said , Gandhi was , ``Greatest man ever who walked on the earth...``

What a puny little insecure fool like Hamdani thinks is immatereal really. As per reliable sources , the fool was bullied by his own students in the high school where he worked as a teacher for a while .