Gandhi in The Handmaid’s Tale

Re: # 1149

Dear Edge:

I must ask you this question: How did you know that Sam Manekshaw was not a neutered Parsi? Did you check it out yourself?

You, being a patriotic Indian, should know the answers to the main basic question to why is it relevant for Pakistanis to discuss Gandhi? Well, other than to provide an opportunity for Indians to come across as idiots, there could be no other reason. Right?

Wrong? When it comes to history, I know Indians are idiots.

You, being a patriotic Indian, should evaluate the efficacy of Indian troops. One estimate is that there are over one (1) million Indian troops in a population of five (5) million. Now, that comes to twenty (read 20%) percent of the population. Is that considered effective soldering? That is one (1) in five (5). Okay, those who suggested that it takes one (1) Pakistani soldier for ten (10) hindoos were off base by a factor of two (2). I grant you that. But, that is not the issue. Kashmir is supposedly your province. How come we see a drag in your efficiency?

Oh, and your soldiers are working double shifts in Nagaland, I suppose. Or other places fighting with the Buddhists. You have fighting all across your own country. Except for Kashmir, nobody has any claim on your territories. And you Indians boldy call yourself a democracy. You have no shame.

Oh, BTW, we forgot about Bangla Desh? Being a patriotic Indian, you must consider them really ``namak haram``. These damn Bengalis

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Help them get independence and they hate us now.

Please enlighten as to what you would like to be called, just to make a distinction for these purposes only. Give any name for the length of these dabates only. But, it should be befitting to your thoughts, your words, and your deeds. Remind us what do you consider yourself to be? a Gandhi (hater?)

[actually hate Gandhi for his silly jesuit non-violence , `show-the-other-cheek-to-the-enemy` , muslim appeasement and acts like blackmailing the free Indian nation into giving away 1/3rd of its treasury to Pakistan by threatening to fast unto death , at a time when an India was engaged in a crucial war with Pakistan over Kashmir]. So why are we not saying the same thing. It seems that your hyperbole is for your self-esteem. Is that so?

[We hate Gandhi and we hate Gandhians] Good for you.

[- but because we love India. But when paki mongrels attack Gandhi , they do so to run down India or to project that evil genocidal maniac Jinnah in a better light.] Or is it that you love a religious India?

[Gandhi was a moron , but he is OUR moron]. KEEP HIM. We were talking about his inadequecies regarding women. Then, of course, as usual, we digressed and continued with seeing that Jews did not particularly cared for Gandhi. We learnt that he is seen hanging around his grand daughters (did you see the movie Gandhi). This was actually written in a Jewish magazine that I read back in 1983 (?) when the movie Gandhi came out.

[Its like having a alcoholic in the family. The family members feel free to curse him all they want , but will not tolerate any abuse from the neighbors, After all , he is OUR alcoholic.] Okay. Then why have this discussion at all. Keep you Gandhi and we`ll keep our Jinnah, and heck with Undivided India.

Respectfully submitted,

Behram B. Atashband

Ref behram1 #1144

[..... Stop the killings of innocent Kashmiris.]

Would that include the Hindus and the Sikhs or just the Muslim vermin?

HP

He was arrested. But he flew out of jail on an invisible horse, and none dared question him again :)

behram:

so it seems according to you the only problem you see with gandhi is his anti-women stance.

now the burden falls on you to prove that, not on me to disprove it.

so go ahead and start your argument. thats what i have been waiting for since yesterday.

but somehow the topic got digressed when you started calling him anti-jew and ``with no integrity because satyagraha won`t work against hitler``.

lets see how much dirt we can get on this guy.

you keep posting i will reply tommorrow.

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Re: # 1148

``Right now we should be discussing about Gandhi`s inherent problem with women.``

to cut the chase short, did you read kamat articel that i posted? what are your views on them?

you are saying gandhis inherent problem with women, isn`t?

please specify.


``Again, your use of the word we....would bring my response of you, and then you will cry foul play. ``

the alphabet ``w`` was a typo. there is no ``we`` there.

``How does Jinnah come into picture in India``

to mantos rantings about gandhi being a fascist hindu and jinnah being a secular person. even today gandhis principle of secularism is invoked for protection of minorities not jinnah. just look at pak, even shiah-sunnis are killing each other forget about the other communities.

``Secular India, yeah right! I would like to see the day when I see most of the untouchables given human dignity. `

so would i. but its better than a decade back and will only improve. atleast we don`t have a youhana being ``helped`` by his teammates to convert to islam.


``No, of course not. ``

thats the problem. go and read them.

``I do not call Gandhi or anybody else anything. I do respond, however, to the air of superiority. ``

you did call him despicable, foulmouthed person. now don`t deny it. or else you would be lying, which parsis don`t do, isn`t?

``I have always felt safe in Pakistan. ``

good for you. whats the point?

``But, nevertheless, it was you who wanted to turn my arguments upside down. Was it not? ``

yes, and i did. have you forgotten your response about how jinnah had integrity, then lost it and then got it back?

I have heard Gandhi being described in many other ways but none so colorful as the ``alcoholic in the family.``

LOL

Re: # 1153

Not really... Hate-Gandhi party is just starting... Come on in :)

Re: # 1075


dude i didn`t even look at the pictures, did i miss somethng

correction: The right phrase is: ``La ilaha illallah`` - ``There is no lord worthy of worship except Allah``....

The big0try has been built into the system... from the very beginning.... it has seeped iinto even naive souls like Behram.... No wonder pakis are the way they are....

Re: # 1148
//....I have always felt safe in Pakistan....//

Of course you do - your anti-gandhi ``performance`` here has been spectacular - you kicked some serious gandhi-lover a$$es - so you will be just fine in pakiland.....

Pakistan ka matlab kya - la hilaya ila illaya [paraphrased]....

Regarding Gandhi`s views on em`niggers , WHO CARES !! The stupid f_uck made us give away 1/3rd of our money to our hated enemy !!

Its funny to be called `Gandhi lovers`..for patriotic Indians like me actually hate Gandhi for his silly jesuit non-violence , `show-the-other-cheek-to-the-enemy` , muslim appeasement and acts like blackmailing the free Indian nation into giving away 1/3rd of its treasury to Pakistan by threatening to fast unto death , at a time when an India was engaged in a crucial war with Pakistan over Kashmir .

`Gandhi lovers` are actually India hating leftists like Arundhati Roy , Sandeep Pandey etc.

We hate Gandhi and we hate Gandhians , who are basically anti-India leftist anarchists - but because we love India. But when paki mongrels attack Gandhi , they do so to run down India or to project that evil genocidal maniac Jinnah in a better light.

Gandhi was a moron , but he is OUR moron. Its like having a alcoholic in the family. The family members feel free to curse him all they want , but will not tolerate any abuse from the neighbors, After all , he is OUR alcoholic. Nasty neighbors keep out.

Re: # 1135

Dear Netizen:

I am sorry. I must clarify this [where have i degraded your sacred fire?]. It was not you. It was that other Gandhi lover, who is supposedly a failure as a Doctor who suggested degrading words towards Atash Behram. You, somehow, got involved in the firing line.

[how many more lies] If you know anything about Parsis, we never lie. I certainly never lie. So, please accept my sincere apologies.

[do you have reading comprehension problems?] No, I have no reading comprehension problems? It seems that you want to figure out what problems others have first. Is that how you advance conversations? Right now we should be discussing about Gandhi`s inherent problem with women. That`s it. And not me.

[mor am i claiming that.] Then, why did you bring up the first Zoroastrian who landed at Surat. What is his relevance to Gandhi`s subject matter?

[i am just frustated with your imbecile responses.] Now, you are calling me imbecile. Do you know English?

[i don`t know whats going on in your mind. calling gandhi woman-hater, in-authentic, with no integrity is questioning hatred w for a community?] Again, your use of the word we....would bring my response of you, and then you will cry foul play.

Make up your mind? Who is this we? You (singular) or you (plural).

I never consider Gandhi as a male chauvinist. Heck, he did not have sex with his wife from the age 36. Now, that can not be a sexually active person. I still wonder why he slept with his grand daughters on the same bed. In the western society, they suggest that even infants should not sleep with their parents on the same bed.

[does calling gandhi names makes pakistan a better place for minorities.] No, absolutely not. Heck, Pakistan is not a safe place for most Pakistanis.

[secular india is a legacy of gandhi not jinnah] How does Jinnah come into picture in India? Secular India, yeah right! I would like to see the day when I see most of the untouchables given human dignity.

[gandhis view on dalits, women, jew have you read any of them.] No, of course not. Here I have to deal with so many idiotic posts, and continue responding to them. I have already spent over 5 hours on this utter nonsense.

[do you think by calling gandhi names, minorities will be safe in pak?] Why are you asking me the same question twice? I have already answered this once.

[you go ahead call gandhi whatever you want that will definitely leave you safe in pakistan.] I do not call Gandhi or anybody else anything. I do respond, however, to the air of superiority. I have always felt safe in Pakistan.

But, nevertheless, it was you who wanted to turn my arguments upside down. Was it not?

Continue the conversation. I enjoy responding to your post because I am laughing at the way we seem to be connected. Karma I suppose?

Respectfully submitted,

Behram B. Atashband

Re: # 1142

Kaalbhai:

there is no point discussing/deabting with pakis. they are either of urstrulu type of manto/behram type.
for me it was a great eye opener. i thought that gandhi if not reverant wouldn`t be a despicable, foulmouthed, dhoti-wearing ugly-faced for an upforward moving paki middle class.
what i came across here was a horror story.
just to prove that jinnah was better than gandhi, manto and family started throwing abuses at him, calling it the other side of mahatma. behram too joined in with sole aim to tarnish gandhi do that jinnah will get the right place in history, which he has been denied so far.

you must have noticed that behram has not responded to even one of the articles i have posted. it seems he has no views on them, still he will call gandhi anti-woman, anti-jew and ``in-authentic``. I went on to say that satyagraha has limitaions and hence gandhi had no integrity?

can you imagine how much hatred has blinded them? he his doing all this to raise jinnah, may be to accord him a very high place in pak/world history. but i still don`t understand how by calling gandhi anti-woman etc. without any basis in can raise jinnahs stature.

i am more close to right wing politics than with congress, but took part in these discussions to examine gandhi. but people had came here with baggage to look at things from there perspective. unknowingly i have read a lot about gandhi and have a far better understanding of him as a person. but still won`t vote for congress :)

anyway i think we are just going in circles and the animosity we have between us will make it very difficult to come close as was shown when mushy rejected indian aid.

i will see you around. just leave manto and behram to their fate.

Dear Behram1

I have nothing more to add, except one thing.

You are letting your emotions do your thinking for you. You hate no one but you see hatred written on the face of every Indian. There is a problem there :)

You want to go after Gandhi`s reputation because you have a particular dislike (not hate, since you hate none :)) for ``Gandhi lovers.``

Behram1 ji, educate yourself on India (if you care to understand them). ``Gandhi lovers`` are the ONLY ones in India who have had any use for Jinnah. Only ones who have made a conscious effort to keep Jinnah`s humanity intact in India. Just like Gandhi was the only major leader in India who maintained any sympathy for Pakistan for 1947.

And now, you want to go after his very name because he ``did not care for women`` (as much apparently as most leaders of the Muslim League did). There are many people in India who are not your friends who would have happily paid you to destroy Gandhi`s reputation.

But if this is what will bring you emotional satisfaction, or do your great country some good, don`t let anyone stop you. :)